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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 14, 2020 21:50:39 GMT
Let's all just be thankful Southend and Bolton don't look like they're going to get 36 points this season... Yes - but as I said above, if one or two clubs get a very low number of points (and yes I know that Bolton have won 12 more than the table shows), then it means all the others get more so that safety line could be higher than it would be if Southend weren't quite so rubbish |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2020 21:52:38 GMT
Probably no clue how he wants them to play, not helped by the fact he's not on the training ground. Yeah I mean it wasn’t going well before with Garner so now he’s doing things over the phone whilst dealing with something personal that’s obviously awful for him to deal with and probably taking up 99% of his thoughts it was never going to get better. The thing the board should do is say to him take off until the end of the season and in the mean time let Maher take control and make all of his own decisions, then if all being well and he wants to come back in the summer Garner will have the whole summer to concentrate on building whatever it is he wants to build and start a new season with a clean slate. Basically what we should have done in the first place. I agree with much of that but socrates football doesn’t work like that. You may be right about waiting until the summer and then making the change and you’re right perhaps, with hindsight, that should have happened with KM put in charge. But now that wasn’t done there’s no way BG will be allowed to stay away and then come back in the summer to take over. He’d have no credibility, little respect from the players and I don’t think he’d be able to look the players, other staff in the eye and talk about whatever he wants to talk about. They’d all be thinking he couldn’t hack it. I can’t think of many other situations like that. Perhaps Martin Ling at Torquay about 7/8 years ago went on leave due to mental health issues. He came back but it didn’t work and he left/resigned/was sacked soon after. Perhaps others can think of other occasions. Its really unlucky for us and I feel for BG because he’s faced a family situation where I know he’s had to do what he did. Add to that we had a group of players who were a good team playing GCs system but who rarely beat teams comfortably and performances even when we won / lost/ drew weren't that different. It was all very fine margins and now with injuries and tiredness those margins are going against us. I hope BGs situation improves, he comes back ASAP (when his situation is resolved), hopefully in late January/ early February and get some the time to change the system. The longer the gap the bigger the problem imo. UTG! |
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Post by matealotblue on Jan 14, 2020 21:52:52 GMT
Let's all just be thankful Southend and Bolton don't look like they're going to get 36 points this season... Maybe so, and maybe we will survive in L1 this year. For me, not sure what is going to change to make next season better. No money, no stadium (tbd🤪😢), possibly same manager etc. Where is the step in the right direction that we need going to come from? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 21:55:26 GMT
At this point, I seriously have to ask who else would put up with this state of affairs? The manager’s role basically being left to become a farce with a manager taking training sessions over the phone whilst being pre-occupied with a crisis of his own? Where’s the strong leadership? Leadership is the key word isn’t it. A football club is like any business in the sense that if there’s no leadership at the top then that problem goes right through the company and destroys it over time. Coughlan was a leader of men , ok the board are very wishy washy and our captain is very quiet and not our best player and so on but Coughlan was the leader in our club and made up for the fact that there’s no leadership at the very top. Now he’s gone where are the leaders ? Garner I dont think is a leader , Tony craig springs to mind top bloke tough as old boots and I would say Maher comes across like he could be a leader like GC was for us but if he’s under instruction from our manager who was here and then gone on the blink of an eye then there is no leadership currently and that is probably the key thing in our recent downfall. Interesting idea about Coughlan being the leader in the absence of direction from the top. One thing is for sure, how would a major company handle the extended absence of a CEO? Not in the way we have handled it, I dare say. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 14, 2020 21:55:29 GMT
Good ,now we have not got the distraction of the cup we can concentrate all our efforts on that push for a top six place, great 89th min winner for the shrews, don't care that much but have been fed up with the teds going on about getting a ticket for the Liverpool game! up the Rovers
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 14, 2020 21:55:33 GMT
Let's all just be thankful Southend and Bolton don't look like they're going to get 36 points this season... Problem as Rod worryingly points out above that means the clubs beating them will get more points so the usual 51 pts might not be enough, even with just a 22 team league! Like last season there could be 10+ teams fighting to avoid the last relegation place and the way things are going we're going to be dragged into that fight. |
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 14, 2020 21:57:18 GMT
Didn't watch, what have I missed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 21:58:11 GMT
Didn't watch, what have I missed? Another shot on target! |
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Post by station on Jan 14, 2020 21:58:41 GMT
I can see nothing other than a relegation battle ahead of us and see little if anything of escaping our dreaded fate.
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 14, 2020 21:58:41 GMT
Didn't watch, what have I missed? Another shot on target! Nah we didn't have a SOT, surely not? |
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Post by matealotblue on Jan 14, 2020 21:59:22 GMT
Didn't watch, what have I missed? Was there a game tonight then? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 14, 2020 22:00:02 GMT
Why not he's the one telling Maher to play 5-2-2-1 when 5-3-2 took us to a home win away from 2nd, plus why signing attackers when we need an RB/CM and a striker, the bloke his completely out of his depth and has destroyed our season, we're now out of the top 6, out of the EFL trophy, out of the FA cup. I don't blame him but I do blame the person who left us in this mess Why? Why would you have stayed if you were him? He would have been setting himself up to fail. |
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 14, 2020 22:05:11 GMT
We’ve only lost out on few hundred k,the salop have just cost city over a million 😂 there are some cheap half and half scarves going in the lands of 12 toes
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 14, 2020 22:05:43 GMT
Yeah I mean it wasn’t going well before with Garner so now he’s doing things over the phone whilst dealing with something personal that’s obviously awful for him to deal with and probably taking up 99% of his thoughts it was never going to get better. The thing the board should do is say to him take off until the end of the season and in the mean time let Maher take control and make all of his own decisions, then if all being well and he wants to come back in the summer Garner will have the whole summer to concentrate on building whatever it is he wants to build and start a new season with a clean slate. Basically what we should have done in the first place. I agree with much of that but socrates football doesn’t work like that. You may be right about waiting until the summer and then making the change and you’re right perhaps, with hindsight, that should have happened with KM put in charge. But now that wasn’t done there’s no way BG will be allowed to stay away and then come back in the summer to take over. He’d have no credibility, little respect from the players and I don’t think he’d be able to look the players, other staff in the eye and talk about whatever he wants to talk about. They’d all be thinking he couldn’t hack it. I can’t think of many other situations like that. Perhaps Martin Ling at Torquay about 7/8 years ago went on leave due to mental health issues. He came back but it didn’t work and he left/resigned/was sacked soon after. Perhaps others can think of other occasions. Its really unlucky for us and I feel for BG because he’s faced a family situation where I know he’s had to do what he did. Add to that we had a group of players who were a good team playing GCs system but who rarely beat teams comfortably and performances even when we won / lost/ drew weren't that different. It was all very fine margins and now with injuries and tiredness those margins are going against us. I hope BGs situation improves, he comes back ASAP (when his situation is resolved), hopefully in late January/ early February and get some the time to change the system. The longer the gap the bigger the problem imo. UTG! Problem is we can't carry on for a month plus like this or confidence will be shot and BG will never turn things around if he does return. If BG's going to be out for a month plus he must be officially replaced until the summer. As surving now in L1 must be the priorty for both BG (family problems of course expected) and the club? Perhaps getting Warnock in is not as daft as it intially seemed if he his only interested in a short term deal? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 14, 2020 22:12:13 GMT
We've signed a number 10 he just can't play. We do have a number 10 on the bench too. Hoping to see him come on and score 2nd half. 2nd half ... of the season. Once again how good did we look going forward without my Tommy? 🙄 |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2020 22:14:59 GMT
Topper, I agree with much of that. But I’d say we can manage being without BG for that time but not much longer and I don’t think he could come back in the summer for the reasons I said. Warnock? Perhaps a good idea but it won’t happen.
UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 14, 2020 22:15:49 GMT
Positives
City lost
It was only 3-0
O Clarke got some minutes. Can't believe I'm staying this but we're that bad at the minute, he might improve us. We need a bit of bite in the middle.
Negatives
Would take me too long to write them all but even then we still wouldn't have scored by the time I'd have finished.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 14, 2020 22:23:52 GMT
Time for bed said Zebadee
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Post by hardingegas on Jan 14, 2020 22:25:48 GMT
Do we know for a fact that Garner is advising Maher on tactics and the formation of the team?
On another topic - Coventry v Birmingham (as tenants v owners) is a reminder of us v Bath City in the FA Cup back in the Twerton days!
Are these the only occasions when this has happened?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:29:47 GMT
I think garner made some bad mistakes and the players have lost confidence in a big way and many must feel very unsure about their futures.
I mean they spent most of the season showing coughlan what a great bunch they are and coughlan spent every interview bigging them up and heaping well deserved praise on them.
The situation is a mess but all the club can do is give garner time to deal with his family issue and hope his vision of the new rovers is still viable.
Its difficult for maher because with confidence shot you cant just say right lads lets get back to ipswich form.
It is depressing for us fans it has to be said.
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