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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 25, 2020 11:29:42 GMT
Serious Question;
1. Notwithstanding the great work the SC has done in years gone by 2. Bearing in mind the world is a very different place as far as running a football club financially is concerned. 3. Assuming the SC doesn't generate enough funds to make any real in roads to the costs of running a football club, and any donations to the club would be I imagine be for peripheral things. 4. Assuming that most if not all of the work carried out by the SC could be done in house by the Football club.
Why do we need a Supporters Club ??
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Does being a member or the existence of a supporters club make any difference to your support of the football club ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 25, 2020 11:41:48 GMT
I bet you would but if they told you they would have to kill you. At least we have a stadium unlike when we had to ground share at twerton. But for much longer will we have a stadium, can anybody honestly see the ALQ's will be content to bank roll the club to the tune of £2m+ p.a once all the equity is gone in the ground? Given G1981 is the unofficial Wael spokesman on Gaschat perhaps he could tells us what he's sees his the future of the club in the medium to long term should the KM/SH Fruit Market deal now collapse? No wonder the Mayor sounded so frustrated with the owners in his last interview, I'm now sensing how he felt. It seems Wael would sooner let Rovers die than agree a deal. Give it a rest a topper. I don’t speak for Wael or anyone else. My opinions are my own. If the FM collapses I doubt, very much, it will be because of Wael. If you do some very simple sums on how much the land will cost, how much the stadium will be to build, how much room there will be left for other commercial ventures and then deduct the price of the Mem land value then you will quickly realise that it’s not really viable regardless of who owns the club.
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Post by knowall on Jan 25, 2020 11:46:11 GMT
It was a rhetorical question as I think we all know the answer. So you wont answer his questions then. I don't have a problem answering questions provided I know the answers and they are not sensitive or on confidential matters. For the record, the only question I know of from 'Gassy' is 'why should I bother wasting my time' to which I have no answer.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 25, 2020 11:48:49 GMT
So you wont answer his questions then. I don't have a problem answering questions provided I know the answers and they are not sensitive or on confidential matters. For the record, the only question I know of from 'Gassy' is 'why should I bother wasting my time' to which I have no answer. These were his questions. Why are gasincider & knowall given such information that no one else has? Why do they really refuse to share the full story, whilst stroking themselves and the thoughts of attention? Why do they continue to put a wedge in amongst the fans? Why do they want the fans to not support the club? Why does gasincider lie and change his story? Why doesn't the SC sit down with the club instead of trying legal action? What is the objective of the SC?
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Post by althepirate on Jan 25, 2020 11:49:33 GMT
Does anyone know if there is any response from Chappell to Twentyman?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 25, 2020 12:02:00 GMT
Does anyone know if there is any response from Chappell to Twentyman? I asked him directly on Thursday and he said that both parties were willing to talk. He wouldn’t say exactly what Chappel told him though.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 25, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
It was a rhetorical question as I think we all know the answer. So you wont answer his questions then. Took the words right out of my mouth. It’s really quite sad that Knowall likes creating divide amongst Rovers fans, it begs the question why anyone would want to do that not just once, but consistently. It’s actually quite sick
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Post by althepirate on Jan 25, 2020 12:26:19 GMT
Does anyone know if there is any response from Chappell to Twentyman? I asked him directly on Thursday and he said that both parties were willing to talk. He wouldn’t say exactly what Chappel told him though. Thanks
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Post by knowall on Jan 25, 2020 12:34:46 GMT
I don't have a problem answering questions provided I know the answers and they are not sensitive or on confidential matters. For the record, the only question I know of from 'Gassy' is 'why should I bother wasting my time' to which I have no answer. These were his questions. Why are gasincider & knowall given such information that no one else has? ( I do my own research from freely available chanels and from people I know will have factual knowledge of the subject matter - I cannot speak for gasincider or anyone else)Why do they really refuse to share the full story, whilst stroking themselves and the thoughts of attention? (Some facts are not mine to share and I do not betray confidences)Why do they continue to put a wedge in amongst the fans? (I do not understand the question)Why do they want the fans to not support the club? (I do want all fans to support the football club which I have supported for 72 years and for which I believe belongs to the fans first and foremost despite others from time to time having a majority shareholding)Why does gasincider lie and change his story? (Not for me to answer particularly as I have no knowledge of the story or even who gasincider is)Why doesn't the SC sit down with the club instead of trying legal action? ( I am not a member of the Supporters Club but I understand that their action was in response to a legal letter on behalf of the Football club and it is quite normal in my experience to have a solicitor act for you when responding to a legal action)What is the objective of the SC? (I am not a member of the Supporters Club and imagine their objectives will be in the appropriate section of their constitution)
I trust that the above is helpful?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 25, 2020 12:35:22 GMT
Dear Knowall
Why are gasincider & knowall given such information that no one else has?
Why do they really refuse to share the full story, whilst stroking themselves and the thoughts of attention?
Why do they continue to put a wedge in amongst the fans?
Why do they want the fans to not support the club?
Why does gasincider lie and change his story?
Why doesn't the SC sit down with the club instead of trying legal action?
What is the objective of the SC?
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Post by LJG on Jan 25, 2020 12:57:17 GMT
I hear Gasincider wants to change his story 12 more times before the end of the season to get to a career total of 1,500 lies told.
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Post by mftc on Jan 25, 2020 13:26:29 GMT
Serious Question; 1. Notwithstanding the great work the SC has done in years gone by 2. Bearing in mind the world is a very different place as far as running a football club financially is concerned. 3. Assuming the SC doesn't generate enough funds to make any real in roads to the costs of running a football club, and any donations to the club would be I imagine be for peripheral things. 4. Assuming that most if not all of the work carried out by the SC could be done in house by the Football club. Why do we need a Supporters Club ?? and Does being a member or the existence of a supporters club make any difference to your support of the football club ? No SC would mean more losses for the club; Pay programme sellers rather than volunteers, Pay staff to organise away travel Pay people to take frost/rain covers on and off the pitch The end of the 50/50/draw could mean the end of the development squad. Lack of support for the community dept. There are lots and lots of jobs done by the SC and volunteers (and much more in the days of Geoff and Ron Craig)but you don't hear about it. The problem is very simple - the supporters want change, the committee want change, but there are very few people committed enough to give up their time to do it. It is very easy to tell someone else how much better they would have done it. Well when the SC ask for volunteers why not give it a go and lead the change? How many people are on this forum? 150? there must be 5-6 people who could do it? Cue excuses!
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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 25, 2020 18:16:27 GMT
One of the reasons for asking the question was to guage the reaction/ support for the SC and its worth going forward before making a decision whether or not I would puy myself forward.
However as only you have been transparent enough to give an opinion I am forming the opinion that for many and perhaps the majority the SC simply doesn't seem to matter
But I thank you for your reply
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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 25, 2020 18:17:09 GMT
Serious Question; 1. Notwithstanding the great work the SC has done in years gone by 2. Bearing in mind the world is a very different place as far as running a football club financially is concerned. 3. Assuming the SC doesn't generate enough funds to make any real in roads to the costs of running a football club, and any donations to the club would be I imagine be for peripheral things. 4. Assuming that most if not all of the work carried out by the SC could be done in house by the Football club. Why do we need a Supporters Club ?? and Does being a member or the existence of a supporters club make any difference to your support of the football club ? No SC would mean more losses for the club; Pay programme sellers rather than volunteers, Pay staff to organise away travel Pay people to take frost/rain covers on and off the pitch The end of the 50/50/draw could mean the end of the development squad. Lack of support for the community dept. There are lots and lots of jobs done by the SC and volunteers (and much more in the days of Geoff and Ron Craig)but you don't hear about it. The problem is very simple - the supporters want change, the committee want change, but there are very few people committed enough to give up their time to do it. It is very easy to tell someone else how much better they would have done it. Well when the SC ask for volunteers why not give it a go and lead the change? How many people are on this forum? 150? there must be 5-6 people who could do it? Cue excuses! One of the reasons for asking the question was to guage the reaction/ support for the SC and its worth going forward before making a decision whether or not I would puy myself forward. However as only you have been transparent enough to give an opinion I am forming the opinion that for many and perhaps the majority the SC simply doesn't seem to matter But I thank you for your reply
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2020 7:59:31 GMT
No SC would mean more losses for the club; Pay programme sellers rather than volunteers, Pay staff to organise away travel Pay people to take frost/rain covers on and off the pitch The end of the 50/50/draw could mean the end of the development squad. Lack of support for the community dept. There are lots and lots of jobs done by the SC and volunteers (and much more in the days of Geoff and Ron Craig)but you don't hear about it. The problem is very simple - the supporters want change, the committee want change, but there are very few people committed enough to give up their time to do it. It is very easy to tell someone else how much better they would have done it. Well when the SC ask for volunteers why not give it a go and lead the change? How many people are on this forum? 150? there must be 5-6 people who could do it? Cue excuses! One of the reasons for asking the question was to guage the reaction/ support for the SC and its worth going forward before making a decision whether or not I would puy myself forward. However as only you have been transparent enough to give an opinion I am forming the opinion that for many and perhaps the majority the SC simply doesn't seem to matter But I thank you for your reply Good on you LG. I think if you outlined a good basic format of how you see things, and it was totally different from the way the current set up is where it was more inclusive, had some radical ideas for change I think everyone would be a lot more open to (a) joining (b) supporting it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 26, 2020 9:36:56 GMT
Didn't someone on here run for a SC post a few years ago on the back of not being part of the current clique and was resoundingly defeated?
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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 26, 2020 9:38:08 GMT
One of the reasons for asking the question was to guage the reaction/ support for the SC and its worth going forward before making a decision whether or not I would puy myself forward. However as only you have been transparent enough to give an opinion I am forming the opinion that for many and perhaps the majority the SC simply doesn't seem to matter But I thank you for your reply Good on you LG. I think if you outlined a good basic format of how you see things, and it was totally different from the way the current set up is where it was more inclusive, had some radical ideas for change I think everyone would be a lot more open to (a) joining (b) supporting it. I would also ask upon reflection, the voluntary work done by many that mftc refers to, why would these kind souls suddenly want paying if the supporters club were run "in house" for example ? Important to say I am not anti SC by any means, I would mention that like many I am one of five generations of Rovers fans going back to my Grandfather circa 1930, so I am very aware of the sterling work done by the SC such as installing Floodlights at Eastville etc etc .But, they also had Trams, Horses and Carts back then and the world has moved on and I believe the SC is hanging back a bit, though how to take it forward is the million dollar question. I think the starting place is for supporters to say what they want or expect from a SC , or dare I say it , even if they want one ? because one thing is for sure if you don't use it you lose it !
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 26, 2020 10:52:52 GMT
I think all the things that mtfc notes are very valid contributions but not what I would expect first on the list of things I’d expect a supporters club to be doing, and what I would like for them to be doing.
The biggest gap with our supporters club in my eyes is acting as a pressure group towards the club. Demanding information on important matters that affect the clubs future and sharing as much of it as possible with us supporters. Dialoguing with supporters to find out what those important matters are and not assuming.
Seems to me the current supporters club wasn’t doing that until their boy got kicked out of his honorary post doing...not a lot. I’d like them to do something about things that actually matter instead.
If they can’t or won’t do it there’s room for a group that will instead.
Doesn’t have to be a conflicting relationship with the club a healthy scenario is where the relationship is a close and healthy one full of respect where the club doesn’t feel it necessary to ban members from the boxes.
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Post by aghast on Jan 26, 2020 11:23:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 11:51:01 GMT
Wow! Bloke got criticised for not knowing the nickname some regulars have given to the table they use in the bar!!! Unbelievable, and shame on the man for not knowing everybody by their forum names ffs. Honestly can’t believe I just read that. Why the hell would anybody want to do that role.
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