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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 14, 2020 19:43:59 GMT
1) why post tonight when we have a big cup replay 2) does launching a legal campaign against the club count as supporting? So if the FC take money from the supporters in exchange for shares and representation and then deny them that representation that’s in the best interests of the supporters of the FC is it? Supporting the FC is nor the same as supporting the owners of the FC and there are countless examples of where the owners of FCs have destroyed or decimated FCs. A famous example being Brighton when the owner sold the Goldstone and left them homeless. Other clubs who have suffered badly because of unscrupulous or incompetent owners include tonight’s opponents Coventry, Blackpool, Bury, Charlton, and Hereford United RIP. In every case the supporters of those clubs who loved those clubs fought the owners some with good outcomes others not but the motives of the supporters in every case was the good health of the football club as an ongoing entity. The motives of the owners was often completely at odds with that. Why then do we have fans critical of our supporters club? I would 100% trust the motives of BRSC in the same way as the supporters groups from those other clubs. On the other hand the owners of our club have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy and non communicative. The owners of the FC are far more likely to act against the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are and if the FC have now banished the SC representation from the Boardroom, people would be wise to worry much more about the motives of the owners than the motives of their fellow supporters!
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Post by glengas on Jan 14, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
Oh if I were old Kenneth To gave my two penneth I'd go about it like thus Sign up as inscider Take all for a rider Till the board throw me under the bus Seriously. KM has never been one of the "incider's", one's sadly no longer with us, the other is definitely not KM! Whether you like KM or not it's a concern, that the SC with 5% of the club's sharesholding, no longer have any presence on the board, we've now no Chairman, no Legal Secretary, no Fans Director just a BoD of Wael and Starnes, assuming the latter is still around as we've not heard from him since DC departed. Starnes did the interview when GC left and was on the pitch at half time Saturday. Agreed it is a concern whatever the views on how ineffective Masters has been. Surely someone else should be able to replace him on the board. Remember when the new owners arrived and made a big thing of lifting the Kevin Spencer ban. Guess Ken will have to wait for the new, new owners. He may be waiting along time.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 14, 2020 19:45:16 GMT
maybe - even KM in his pre match mentioned kids tho so nowt wrong if KM did pass that on. It helped the fans to understand the situation better imo. (Sorry Kevin Maher and then Ken masters) I don't think Maher really confirmed anything at his presser but he hinted at it which he probably shouldn't have done imo if Garner wanted it to remain private. His assistant manager saying something in a press conference and some random person spilling personal information on the internet are very different things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:47:13 GMT
Perhaps there should be an investigation into why the SC (ie Ken Masters and Ken Chappell) refused to replace Brian S-S when interested candidates were keen to be put to the vote. A KM stitch up to consolidate power and build a special relationship with Steve Hamer. Well that worked out well....
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Post by axegas on Jan 14, 2020 19:50:03 GMT
I don't think Maher really confirmed anything at his presser but he hinted at it which he probably shouldn't have done imo if Garner wanted it to remain private. His assistant manager saying something in a press conference and some random person spilling personal information on the internet are very different things. Agreed.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 14, 2020 19:50:10 GMT
1) why post tonight when we have a big cup replay 2) does launching a legal campaign against the club count as supporting? So if the FC take money from the supporters in exchange for shares and representation and then deny them that representation that’s in the best interests of the supporters of the FC is it? Supporting the FC is nor the same as supporting the owners of the FC and there are countless examples of where the owners of FCs have destroyed or decimated FCs. A famous example being Brighton when the owner sold the Goldstone and left them homeless. Other clubs who have suffered badly because of unscrupulous or incompetent owners include tonight’s opponents Coventry, Blackpool, Bury, Charlton, and Hereford United RIP. In every case the supporters of those clubs who loved those clubs fought the owners some with good outcomes others not but the motives of the supporters in every case was the good health of the football club as an ongoing entity. The motives of the owners was often completely at odds with that. Why then do we have fans critical of our supporters club? I would 100% trust the motives of BRSC in the same way as the supporters groups from those other clubs. On the other hand the owners of our club have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy and non communicative. The owners of the FC are far more likely to act against the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are and if the FC have now banished the SC representation from the Boardroom, people would be wise to worry much more about the motives of the owners than the motives of their fellow supporters! Maybe we should reserve judgement until we know why he's been banned? Is it an option for the SC to get a new board rep? Is the issue simply with Saint Ken or with the SC in general?
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Post by LJG on Jan 14, 2020 19:52:17 GMT
1) why post tonight when we have a big cup replay 2) does launching a legal campaign against the club count as supporting? So if the FC take money from the supporters in exchange for shares and representation and then deny them that representation that’s in the best interests of the supporters of the FC is it? Supporting the FC is nor the same as supporting the owners of the FC and there are countless examples of where the owners of FCs have destroyed or decimated FCs. A famous example being Brighton when the owner sold the Goldstone and left them homeless. Other clubs who have suffered badly because of unscrupulous or incompetent owners include tonight’s opponents Coventry, Blackpool, Bury, Charlton, and Hereford United RIP. In every case the supporters of those clubs who loved those clubs fought the owners some with good outcomes others not but the motives of the supporters in every case was the good health of the football club as an ongoing entity. The motives of the owners was often completely at odds with that. Why then do we have fans critical of our supporters club? I would 100% trust the motives of BRSC in the same way as the supporters groups from those other clubs. On the other hand the owners of our club have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy and non communicative. The owners of the FC are far more likely to act against the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are and if the FC have now banished the SC representation from the Boardroom, people would be wise to worry much more about the motives of the owners than the motives of their fellow supporters! Well the release does say that Ken Masters has been banned not that the Supporters Club has been banned from having representation. The two are quite different but the SC release has been carefully drafted to intimate that. Like a Gasincider post. Hang on a sec ...
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Post by madgas on Jan 14, 2020 19:53:00 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected.
It's a bit Putin-esque.
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Post by badengas on Jan 14, 2020 19:54:50 GMT
you....are.....Welsh ? Be telling me Big Jock doesn't live in Scotland next f**k off!!! No I’m not welsh, but my wife is. 😁 6 other gasheads live in Marshfield too :true story: we have a get together down the local, the boyos love it lol! How long Marshy ? 33 years in the Rhondda for me.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 14, 2020 20:10:49 GMT
f**k off!!! No I’m not welsh, but my wife is. 😁 6 other gasheads live in Marshfield too :true story: we have a get together down the local, the boyos love it lol! How long Marshy ? 33 years in the Rhondda for me. Spent 5 Years there mid 70’s. Was very depressing there at the time, mines had mostly shut, lots out of work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:15:08 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected. It's a bit Putin-esque. Ken has been voted for 12 years by SC and FC both at AGM’s. Not Putinesque, but drives a coach and horses through governance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
Why would they choose to put this statement out just before the game?
Baffling
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 14, 2020 20:22:29 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected. It's a bit Putin-esque. Surprisingly he was re-elected uncontested, when BSS decided to step down the owners decided one FD was sufficent hence KM was left as the SC's only rep. As far as posters suggesting KM was behind the Garner leak is there any proof that is really the case, given Garner apparently told the players he was taking leave I assume there's 20+ players/coaches who could have leaked the reason? I don't get why fans support the owners who are destroying the equity in the Mem but are critical of KM/the SC who don't really seem to be doing a lot wrong given their role is just to sell 50/50 tickets/arrange away travel etc.
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Post by madgas on Jan 14, 2020 20:23:24 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected. It's a bit Putin-esque. Ken has been voted for 12 years by SC and FC both at AGM’s. Not Putinesque, but drives a coach and horses through governance. All feels pretty token to me. Its generally considered that the same person doing that sort of role should be rotated more often than every generation..? Possibly- theres a lack interest but then the SC should be doing more to create interest.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 14, 2020 20:24:35 GMT
1) why post tonight when we have a big cup replay 2) does launching a legal campaign against the club count as supporting? So if the FC take money from the supporters in exchange for shares and representation and then deny them that representation that’s in the best interests of the supporters of the FC is it? Supporting the FC is nor the same as supporting the owners of the FC and there are countless examples of where the owners of FCs have destroyed or decimated FCs. A famous example being Brighton when the owner sold the Goldstone and left them homeless. Other clubs who have suffered badly because of unscrupulous or incompetent owners include tonight’s opponents Coventry, Blackpool, Bury, Charlton, and Hereford United RIP. In every case the supporters of those clubs who loved those clubs fought the owners some with good outcomes others not but the motives of the supporters in every case was the good health of the football club as an ongoing entity. The motives of the owners was often completely at odds with that. Why then do we have fans critical of our supporters club? I would 100% trust the motives of BRSC in the same way as the supporters groups from those other clubs. On the other hand the owners of our club have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy and non communicative. The owners of the FC are far more likely to act against the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are and if the FC have now banished the SC representation from the Boardroom, people would be wise to worry much more about the motives of the owners than the motives of their fellow supporters! Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't KM caught out a few months ago with some text messages sent to the wrong person? If you can 100% trust him then fair play.
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Post by madgas on Jan 14, 2020 20:24:37 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected. It's a bit Putin-esque. Surprisingly he was re-elected uncontested, when BSS decided to step down the owners decided one FD was sufficent hence KM was left as the SC's only rep. As far as posters suggesting KM was behind the Garner leak is there any proof that is really the case, given Garner apparently told the players he was taking leave I assume there's 20+ players/coaches who could have leaked the reason? I don't get why fans support the owners who are destroying the equity in the Mem but are critical of KM/the SC who don't really seem to be doing a lot wrong given their role is just to sell 50/50 tickets/arrange away travel etc. I think it's because their role should be much more. Hence why some are annoyed that they no longer have a rep on the board and others can’t see how it matters.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 14, 2020 20:26:37 GMT
Ken Masters has had this role for over 5 years. It's a bit of stretch to suggest that he's elected. It's a bit Putin-esque. Ken has been voted for 12 years by SC and FC both at AGM’s. Not Putinesque, but drives a coach and horses through governance. Mainly because no one gives a sh** about the position anymore
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Post by LJG on Jan 14, 2020 20:31:57 GMT
Surprisingly he was re-elected uncontested, when BSS decided to step down the owners decided one FD was sufficent hence KM was left as the SC's only rep. As far as posters suggesting KM was behind the Garner leak is there any proof that is really the case, given Garner apparently told the players he was taking leave I assume there's 20+ players/coaches who could have leaked the reason? I don't get why fans support the owners who are destroying the equity in the Mem but are critical of KM/the SC who don't really seem to be doing a lot wrong given their role is just to sell 50/50 tickets/arrange away travel etc. I think it's because their role should be much more. Hence why some are annoyed that they no longer have a rep on the board and others can’t see how it matters. I think people generally can see how and why it matters, I just don't think particularly give a sh** about Ken Masters being the one.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 14, 2020 20:36:18 GMT
So if the FC take money from the supporters in exchange for shares and representation and then deny them that representation that’s in the best interests of the supporters of the FC is it? Supporting the FC is nor the same as supporting the owners of the FC and there are countless examples of where the owners of FCs have destroyed or decimated FCs. A famous example being Brighton when the owner sold the Goldstone and left them homeless. Other clubs who have suffered badly because of unscrupulous or incompetent owners include tonight’s opponents Coventry, Blackpool, Bury, Charlton, and Hereford United RIP. In every case the supporters of those clubs who loved those clubs fought the owners some with good outcomes others not but the motives of the supporters in every case was the good health of the football club as an ongoing entity. The motives of the owners was often completely at odds with that. Why then do we have fans critical of our supporters club? I would 100% trust the motives of BRSC in the same way as the supporters groups from those other clubs. On the other hand the owners of our club have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy and non communicative. The owners of the FC are far more likely to act against the long term health of the FC than the supporters club are and if the FC have now banished the SC representation from the Boardroom, people would be wise to worry much more about the motives of the owners than the motives of their fellow supporters! Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't KM caught out a few months ago with some text messages sent to the wrong person? If you can 100% trust him then fair play. You didn’t read my post properly did you, try again and don't make up stuff I didn’t say.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jan 14, 2020 20:37:00 GMT
You must be kidding. They dont know their ass from their elbow on matters such as this Look I'm not really in the know about supporters club politics or the corridors of power, only used the coach a few times. Just coming from a general perspective, why go to the expense of the legal dispute unless you're absolutely sure you have a case? You sounds like Higgs, watertight I believe 😉
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