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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:29:29 GMT
I think having an aim of wanting to play attractive football is admirable and fantastic if achievable,but for me we don't have the players here at this time. True Ben is bringing in players and they hopefully will help towards creating a more attractive style of play. However in the mean time Ben needs to find a way to get the best use of what we have here. At the end of the day football is results based and we need some good results before confidence starts draining out of the side. Ben has a vision of what he wants and I'm all for it, but we need to steady the ship a bit before we start building the grand vision. In short we have to get some points on the board short term before we start building the dream. The thing that worries me about BG is his lack of flexibility I think a managers needs to have more than one plan. Well said sir
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Post by landrover on Jan 31, 2020 22:33:49 GMT
I always think Crewe are an interesting club to follow. Always play, some would say, proper passing football with a good youth set up. However season after season they do really well in league two yet struggle whenever they’ve been promoted to league one. I would hazard a guess and say that they don’t defend very well and that the finishing is better in league one. Therefore their mistakes are punished more. Wycombe have proved that ugly football can be successful and there was every chance we would have carried on with our form post Ipswich. There was no reason to change our playing style at all. The players clearly enjoyed it so I would lay any blame on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:37:02 GMT
I always think Crewe are an interesting club to follow. Always play, some would say, proper passing football with a good youth set up. However season after season they do really well in league two yet struggle whenever they’ve been promoted to league one. I would hazard a guess and say that they don’t defend very well and that the finishing is better in league one. Therefore their mistakes are punished more. Wycombe have proved that ugly football can be successful and there was every chance we would have carried on with our form post Ipswich. There was no reason to change our playing style at all. The players clearly enjoyed it so I would lay any blame on the board. The problem is Crewe barely survive, if that’s the model we are following I hope we do it a damn sight better than they do! As much as I wasn’t a fan of Coughlan winning in games in league one with a bunch of cloggers vs being a nursery for young players playing good football in league two while battling relegation every season, well there is only one winner for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:51:54 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised. Shame GC wasn’t given the support then He was though with numerous signings including experienced players like JCH,ogogo,davies,little and jaakola.
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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:53:16 GMT
Shame GC wasn’t given the support then He was though with numerous signings including experienced players like JCH,ogogo,davies,little and jaakola. So why did he go if he knew he would have this opportunity to sign players . And all the players he signed were good signings
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:59:18 GMT
I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills. A well reasoned post with some fair points. All I would ask though is who is doing it on a budget with a load of younger players? Coventry, Peterborough and Oxford all have the money to afford to play good football. I suppose Donny aren’t a typical well backed side, are they reliant on loans or youth? Coventry and oxford are very similar to us,both those clubs have balanced the books by signing good young players and selling them on at a profit. Both clubs have financial issues to deal with like us although at least we own our ground unlike coventry/oxford.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:03:48 GMT
He was though with numerous signings including experienced players like JCH,ogogo,davies,little and jaakola. So why did he go if he knew he would have this opportunity to sign players . And all the players he signed were good signings Not all of his signings were good and unless we take what he said at face value we do not know why he left. Personally i believe we do not know the whole story but that's just me speculating so its of no real value. Maybe he clashed with wael on the future direction of the club? But again that is just speculative thinking.
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Post by cj on Feb 1, 2020 1:55:41 GMT
I think having an aim of wanting to play attractive football is admirable and fantastic if achievable,but for me we don't have the players here at this time. True Ben is bringing in players and they hopefully will help towards creating a more attractive style of play. However in the mean time Ben needs to find a way to get the best use of what we have here. At the end of the day football is results based and we need some good results before confidence starts draining out of the side. Ben has a vision of what he wants and I'm all for it, but we need to steady the ship a bit before we start building the grand vision. In short we have to get some points on the board short term before we start building the dream. The thing that worries me about BG is his lack of flexibility I think a managers needs to have more than one plan. I would argue that the new signings this window allows him to have more than 1 plan. We have enough defenders to play 3,4 or 5 at the back. We can play with full backs or wing backs. We can play with wingers or 3 CM's. We can play with AM's and 1 or 2 up front. There is so much flexibility now in the squad which allows flexibility in the formation and tactics and starting 11 that we cant really be predictable anymore. He definitely now has way than 1 plan available to him. Therefore, you have nothing to worry about ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2020 7:26:41 GMT
The form table doesn't lie for the 46 games under GC we were in the top 3 in league 1, since BG took over we're probably bottom 3. BG has a massive job on his hands turning things around. How long were we in the top 3 for? 46 games according to the form table, that's a full season (over his two half seasons) whilst it all now seems unbelievable GC's team got more points during that period than both Sunderland, Pompey and Posh. God knows why he jumped ship to Mansfield and not at least a decent L1 side. Regardless we can't turn back time and its now up to BG today to show us how he intends to play football today, as he's now had 2 weeks on the training ground and we know Coventry will let us play football. I fear we'll still hoof it to JCH whenever we can but will be happy to be proven wrong later today. I still can't understand why BG didn't sign a natural replacement for Lines if we are going to start playing football on the deck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 9:19:11 GMT
How long were we in the top 3 for? 46 games according to the form table, that's a full season (over his two half seasons) whilst it all now seems unbelievable GC's team got more points during that period than both Sunderland, Pompey and Posh. God knows why he jumped ship to Mansfield and not at least a decent L1 side. Regardless we can't turn back time and its now up to BG today to show us how he intends to play football today, as he's now had 2 weeks on the training ground and we know Coventry will let us play football. I fear we'll still hoof it to JCH whenever we can but will be happy to be proven wrong later today. I still can't understand why BG didn't sign a natural replacement for Lines if we are going to start playing football on the deck. Coventry press high and work hard to stop you playing imo.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 1, 2020 9:22:24 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised. They have backed every manager in every window haven't they? This myth that they haven't is perpetrated by a handful of doom merchants who only a few weeks ago assured us that 100 witnesses would attest that we had to sell 5 key players in this window. I also agree with you, I think it's been a very positive window for us. Signing kids is always a risk, but could potentially be exciting and a good source of future income. Looks like WAQ is in it for the long haul.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 1, 2020 9:24:44 GMT
He was though with numerous signings including experienced players like JCH,ogogo,davies,little and jaakola. So why did he go if he knew he would have this opportunity to sign players . And all the players he signed were good signings That's what you get for believing Gasincider!
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Post by completewingback on Feb 2, 2020 1:01:11 GMT
Hold on - is Midlands Gas posting again under a different username?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 2, 2020 7:05:35 GMT
Hold on - is Midlands Gas posting again under a different username? Yes and he hasnt improved.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 2, 2020 8:02:05 GMT
I don't know what other fans think, but what I want from my beloved team is excitement. I watched the first half of Man Utd v Wolves yesterday with the new 47m man. I couldn't face watching the second half. Sterile boring and all technically gifted. Perfect stadium and pitch. Personally I would have been happier stood on the line watching a less technically gifted game in Eastville Park that had some emotion to it. The phrase 'matchday experience' is banded around these days, I think they mean,'What type of sausage roll would you prefer? Personally I want my matchday experience in my head. I want to be excited, I will be disappointed,angry, sad too. I want to feel the highs and lows. I want to walk out the ground knowing my emotions have been stirred. I want to see the players showing and feeling those emotions too and a connection between us and them on that level. If the future is dull perfection then it's not for me although after a lifetime of support I can't see I will ever stop. A new stadium won't be a satisfactory substitute for emotions for me. I don't know if others share my thoughts?
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Post by Westy on Feb 2, 2020 8:24:43 GMT
I don't know what other fans think, but what I want from my beloved team is excitement. I watched the first half of Man Utd v Wolves yesterday with the new 47m man. I couldn't face watching the second half. Sterile boring and all technically gifted. Perfect stadium and pitch. Personally I would have been happier stood on the line watching a less technically gifted game in Eastville Park that had some emotion to it. The phrase 'matchday experience' is banded around these days, I think they mean,'What type of sausage roll would you prefer? Personally I want my matchday experience in my head. I want to be excited, I will be disappointed,angry, sad too. I want to feel the highs and lows. I want to walk out the ground knowing my emotions have been stirred. I want to see the players showing and feeling those emotions too and a connection between us and them on that level. If the future is dull perfection then it's not for me although after a lifetime of support I can't see I will ever stop. A new stadium won't be a satisfactory substitute for emotions for me. I don't know if others share my thoughts? Totally agree. The Mem is home! I haven't even gone to Trashton to watch the rugby since they've left...
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Post by islaplanagas on Feb 2, 2020 8:25:58 GMT
I don't know what other fans think, but what I want from my beloved team is excitement. I watched the first half of Man Utd v Wolves yesterday with the new 47m man. I couldn't face watching the second half. Sterile boring and all technically gifted. Perfect stadium and pitch. Personally I would have been happier stood on the line watching a less technically gifted game in Eastville Park that had some emotion to it. The phrase 'matchday experience' is banded around these days, I think they mean,'What type of sausage roll would you prefer? Personally I want my matchday experience in my head. I want to be excited, I will be disappointed,angry, sad too. I want to feel the highs and lows. I want to walk out the ground knowing my emotions have been stirred. I want to see the players showing and feeling those emotions too and a connection between us and them on that level. If the future is dull perfection then it's not for me although after a lifetime of support I can't see I will ever stop. A new stadium won't be a satisfactory substitute for emotions for me. I don't know if others share my thoughts? Could not agree more. My thoughts exactly. Great post! IPG
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Post by onefindunford on Feb 2, 2020 8:33:29 GMT
I don't know what other fans think, but what I want from my beloved team is excitement. I watched the first half of Man Utd v Wolves yesterday with the new 47m man. I couldn't face watching the second half. Sterile boring and all technically gifted. Perfect stadium and pitch. Personally I would have been happier stood on the line watching a less technically gifted game in Eastville Park that had some emotion to it. The phrase 'matchday experience' is banded around these days, I think they mean,'What type of sausage roll would you prefer? Personally I want my matchday experience in my head. I want to be excited, I will be disappointed,angry, sad too. I want to feel the highs and lows. I want to walk out the ground knowing my emotions have been stirred. I want to see the players showing and feeling those emotions too and a connection between us and them on that level. If the future is dull perfection then it's not for me although after a lifetime of support I can't see I will ever stop. A new stadium won't be a satisfactory substitute for emotions for me. I don't know if others share my thoughts? Post of the year. Keep the faith.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 2, 2020 8:43:17 GMT
I don't know what other fans think, but what I want from my beloved team is excitement. I watched the first half of Man Utd v Wolves yesterday with the new 47m man. I couldn't face watching the second half. Sterile boring and all technically gifted. Perfect stadium and pitch. Personally I would have been happier stood on the line watching a less technically gifted game in Eastville Park that had some emotion to it. The phrase 'matchday experience' is banded around these days, I think they mean,'What type of sausage roll would you prefer? Personally I want my matchday experience in my head. I want to be excited, I will be disappointed,angry, sad too. I want to feel the highs and lows. I want to walk out the ground knowing my emotions have been stirred. I want to see the players showing and feeling those emotions too and a connection between us and them on that level. If the future is dull perfection then it's not for me although after a lifetime of support I can't see I will ever stop. A new stadium won't be a satisfactory substitute for emotions for me. I don't know if others share my thoughts? As an established fan in my 40s I agree wholeheartedly. The concern is that the next generation of Gasheads won't.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 2, 2020 9:45:37 GMT
To be honest this post states Peterborough, Oxford and Coventry as being the clubs to aim for or "imitate" but there is one difference and it is a big difference. Yes they all have signed young players and sold on for big money as well but EVERY YEAR these clubs also fork out a lot of money on players that MAKE A DIFFERENCE whether it be ex Premiership/Championship players. They are willing to fork out what we would call a fortune to get QUALITY players in vital positions on quite expensive contracts and then hold on to those players until clubs offer near the figures they set for them. Our plan is completely different in that we have signed ALL young inexperienced players probably on a lot lower wages than players we already have. Whether we can succeed with this policy will depend just how good Ben Garner will prove to be in the long term. I can honestly see over the summer more youngsters coming in and more "old heads" going out. This policy can end in tears and probably is more likely too as those "old heads" are still needed in key positions. What we have to remember as well is the area of the country we are in with the only successful club in the area being Bristol City (unfortunately) and you only have to look around at players they have loaned out to clubs we are in competition with- Peterborough, Coventry,Oxford- the very clubs we are seeking to copy but we know fully too well they would not loan players to us. I am sure there is somebody who can come up with the record signings of these clubs we are seeking to copy anmd we will then realise that we are not in their League and never will be. I very much am behind BG but am not convinced this "cheap option" will succeed. It is more a case of heart ruling over the head or hope rather than belief.
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