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Post by paulpirate on Feb 2, 2020 9:53:04 GMT
To be honest this post states Peterborough, Oxford and Coventry as being the clubs to aim for or "imitate" but there is one difference and it is a big difference. Yes they all have signed young players and sold on for big money as well but EVERY YEAR these clubs also fork out a lot of money on players that MAKE A DIFFERENCE whether it be ex Premiership/Championship players. They are willing to fork out what we would call a fortune to get QUALITY players in vital positions on quite expensive contracts and then hold on to those players until clubs offer near the figures they set for them. Our plan is completely different in that we have signed ALL young inexperienced players probably on a lot lower wages than players we already have. Whether we can succeed with this policy will depend just how good Ben Garner will prove to be in the long term. I can honestly see over the summer more youngsters coming in and more "old heads" going out. This policy can end in tears and probably is more likely too as those "old heads" are still needed in key positions. What we have to remember as well is the area of the country we are in with the only successful club in the area being Bristol City (unfortunately) and you only have to look around at players they have loaned out to clubs we are in competition with- Peterborough, Coventry,Oxford- the very clubs we are seeking to copy but we know fully too well they would not loan players to us. I am sure there is somebody who can come up with the record signings of these clubs we are seeking to copy anmd we will then realise that we are not in their League and never will be. I very much am behind BG but am not convinced this "cheap option" will succeed. It is more a case of heart ruling over the head or hope rather than belief. cheap option,when do we ever splash the cash
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Post by pirate on Feb 2, 2020 9:56:59 GMT
To be honest this post states Peterborough, Oxford and Coventry as being the clubs to aim for or "imitate" but there is one difference and it is a big difference. Yes they all have signed young players and sold on for big money as well but EVERY YEAR these clubs also fork out a lot of money on players that MAKE A DIFFERENCE whether it be ex Premiership/Championship players. They are willing to fork out what we would call a fortune to get QUALITY players in vital positions on quite expensive contracts and then hold on to those players until clubs offer near the figures they set for them. Our plan is completely different in that we have signed ALL young inexperienced players probably on a lot lower wages than players we already have. Whether we can succeed with this policy will depend just how good Ben Garner will prove to be in the long term. I can honestly see over the summer more youngsters coming in and more "old heads" going out. This policy can end in tears and probably is more likely too as those "old heads" are still needed in key positions. What we have to remember as well is the area of the country we are in with the only successful club in the area being Bristol City (unfortunately) and you only have to look around at players they have loaned out to clubs we are in competition with- Peterborough, Coventry,Oxford- the very clubs we are seeking to copy but we know fully too well they would not loan players to us. I am sure there is somebody who can come up with the record signings of these clubs we are seeking to copy anmd we will then realise that we are not in their League and never will be. I very much am behind BG but am not convinced this "cheap option" will succeed. It is more a case of heart ruling over the head or hope rather than belief. Peterborough and Oxford are only able to afford better players because of their buy low and sell high policy. Peterborough's because they initially had success with recruiting the best young, up and coming talent from a lower level (Gayle, Mackail-Smith, Boyd etc), then selling them on at a big profit and reinvesting for a continuing loop of talent. Oxford's approach in the market has mostly been to sign some of the promising unwanted U23 players from a higher level, develop them and then sell on for a big profit (Ledson, Lundstrom, Roofe etc).
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Post by lpgas on Feb 2, 2020 11:11:13 GMT
They are both stuck in Division one though
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2020 11:20:13 GMT
They are both stuck in Division one though Posh are 3rd having won 4 games on the bounce, they look a good bet for the top 2 at the moment, Oxford have just sold £3m of talent so I doubt their owner is to worried about promotion although they seem to mix U23's with experience i.e. Mackie and Taylor upfront. If JCH was an Oxford player he'd have probably been sold last month for £m's, the way we're going he'll be joining Cheltenham next January on a free!!
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 2, 2020 11:30:15 GMT
They are both stuck in Division one though Posh are 3rd having won 4 games on the bounce, they look a good bet for the top 2 at the moment, Oxford have just sold £3m of talent so I doubt their owner is to worried about promotion although they seem to mix U23's with experience i.e. Mackie and Taylor upfront. If JCH was an Oxford player he'd have probably been sold last month for £m's, the way we're going he'll be joining Cheltenham next January on a free!! He's scored 2 in 2 now, but his overall play has still been well below standard. A lot of our attacks break down, when he gets the ball. Not sure if he's still playing with a knock. But he still does not look the same player. Hopefully a week without a game and the few goals will help with his fitness and confidence.
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Post by putterbishopston on Feb 2, 2020 11:32:45 GMT
To get started on the winning trail, he needs to lose the white soled boating Dap's, Drainpipes & Undersized 60's Anorak.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 2, 2020 12:22:47 GMT
For 35 minutes yesterday, we looked very good, but once the first goal in the players head dropped. The football was much much better, the players need to have some character though and take account for themselves. For 35 minutes they showed what they could be capable of and perhaps after a couple weeks on the training ground there will be more of the same on show. We have brought in some technically good players, the attitude and the want to win games is what I want to see as well.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Feb 2, 2020 12:24:11 GMT
Its a mess, the team is currently hurtling towards relegation, 2 league points out of 18 from the last 6 league games, even the most optimistic are surely concerned ?, Ben seems a really nice fella, but at this stage of the season having dropped from 4th to 13th in the league, since GC's cut and run fiasco, I am not sure the manager, who formerly put cones out for somebody else, is the answer. I wish the fella well and will still be going to the matches, with flights booked to go away and watch the team play at Sunderland; however, I must say currently it is a very hard watch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2020 12:42:18 GMT
For 35 minutes yesterday, we looked very good, but once the first goal in the players head dropped. The football was much much better, the players need to have some character though and take account for themselves. For 35 minutes they showed what they could be capable of and perhaps after a couple weeks on the training ground there will be more of the same on show. We have brought in some technically good players, the attitude and the want to win games is what I want to see as well. BG's just turned the clock back a year to where we were when DC couldn't turn things around, GC obviously instilled confidence, or motivated the players somehow, all that's now seemingly gone and we're back to wondering where our next win is coming from. It's pointless being technically good if you can't pass to a teammate and win 50/50 tackles. Apart from finally having a pacy player or two, I can't see the additions address the main problem of not replacing Lines.
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Post by dragonfly on Feb 2, 2020 13:13:48 GMT
Its a mess, the team is currently hurtling towards relegation, 2 league points out of 18 from the last 6 league games, even the most optimistic are surely concerned ?, Ben seems a really nice fella, but at this stage of the season having dropped from 4th to 13th in the league, since GC's cut and run fiasco, I am not sure the manager, who formerly put cones out for somebody else, is the answer. I wish the fella well and will still be going to the matches, with flights booked to go away and watch the team play at Sunderland; however, I must say currently it is a very hard watch. The time for a radical change in Manager was not for now especially not a novice such as Garner. It needed someone who was experienced who could adopt the GC style at least until we were safe from relegation. Signing and playing the inexperienced kids is a very high risk strategy. Wael, you may have taken a leap too far and I do see the need to play decent football to attract the Customers back, however your timing appears wrong and we are heading for a relegation scrap loaded with kids if we continue in the same vein of form. Garner's 10 year plan has yielded 7 defeats and 4 draws which is the worst possible start and he is dependent on some Players who may feel that they will not feature in that plan. It is a mess, a mess we should not be part of and one that was largely self inflicted after GC departed.
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Post by althepirate on Feb 2, 2020 13:50:44 GMT
Don't worry the plan is joint promotion and stadium in 25 years time. Evolution not revolution remember?
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Post by completewingback on Feb 2, 2020 15:24:24 GMT
Hold on - is Midlands Gas posting again under a different username? Yes and he hasnt improved. Well, this is not the thread or time for it but I'd like to vote for his banning again. Couldn't care less about his dumb opinions on Rovers, but we all know what else he's said in the past and hasn't apologized until today
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 2, 2020 16:50:44 GMT
How about a touch of patience?I remember the forum was full of GC critics lamenting the style of play and post match interviews. For the record, I was always a strong supporter of GC. He was the right manager for rag bag Rovers and he not only kept us up but steered us to 4th place with a game in hand.
I'm no longer a supporter of GC. He left us in the lurch and to date we have not recovered. Interestingly, GC is not pulling up any trees at Mansfield. I wonder if he ever regrets leaving a team with serious prospects of playing Championship football next season.
On to Garner. His opening record is undeniably appalling. Many managers would have been sacked by now. I'm prepared to give him to the end of the season to show his worth. It would be a statistical aberration if we are relegated. If we are, Garner goes. If the playing record only improves marginally and we stay up, Garner goes.
On the other hand if things start to improve we will go into next season with a batch of good young players ready to take this Division by storm.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2020 17:40:34 GMT
Out of interest do you actually watch us play live? If so, are you content to turn up for the whole of Feb, March, April and a bit of May knowing we won't win? Personally I'd give him til Blackpool to get our first win and then til Rochdale to improve our results. The big bigger is Tranmere will win a couple of their home games this week, or Southend keep up their recent improved form, if so, we may not be as safe as we appear at the moment as we still need around 10 pts.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Feb 2, 2020 17:53:46 GMT
Why do you bother Midland? You have to be most negative poster on here. We can all see what Bens is trying to do, so give the man a bit of respect and a chance FFS! Me leave off if you remember half time Boxing Day we were second now we are in the bottom half of the league, only scored one goal this year not won since I don’t know when , crowds disappearing and you are happy with that, well I am not and the bloke needs to go now. It as a quick signing, which at first appeared to be a good thing . But now we realise it was just panic get the first bloke who was interested instead of waiting and getting the right bloke, if BG stays we will be lucky to stay up this season You were Garner out after literally his second game mate.
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Post by rovers69 on Feb 2, 2020 19:08:40 GMT
We need to support him and make sure we stay in this division,
By End of March beginning of April hopefully we will see what he has achieved and carrying on building for 20/21
Get behind him and not with a knife
UT
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Post by lpgas on Feb 2, 2020 21:02:16 GMT
To be honest this post states Peterborough, Oxford and Coventry as being the clubs to aim for or "imitate" but there is one difference and it is a big difference. Yes they all have signed young players and sold on for big money as well but EVERY YEAR these clubs also fork out a lot of money on players that MAKE A DIFFERENCE whether it be ex Premiership/Championship players. They are willing to fork out what we would call a fortune to get QUALITY players in vital positions on quite expensive contracts and then hold on to those players until clubs offer near the figures they set for them. Our plan is completely different in that we have signed ALL young inexperienced players probably on a lot lower wages than players we already have. Whether we can succeed with this policy will depend just how good Ben Garner will prove to be in the long term. I can honestly see over the summer more youngsters coming in and more "old heads" going out. This policy can end in tears and probably is more likely too as those "old heads" are still needed in key positions. What we have to remember as well is the area of the country we are in with the only successful club in the area being Bristol City (unfortunately) and you only have to look around at players they have loaned out to clubs we are in competition with- Peterborough, Coventry,Oxford- the very clubs we are seeking to copy but we know fully too well they would not loan players to us. I am sure there is somebody who can come up with the record signings of these clubs we are seeking to copy anmd we will then realise that we are not in their League and never will be. I very much am behind BG but am not convinced this "cheap option" will succeed. It is more a case of heart ruling over the head or hope rather than belief. and every season they are tipped to go up, and they dont
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Post by lpgas on Feb 2, 2020 21:03:25 GMT
They are both stuck in Division one though Posh are 3rd having won 4 games on the bounce, they look a good bet for the top 2 at the moment, Oxford have just sold £3m of talent so I doubt their owner is to worried about promotion although they seem to mix U23's with experience i.e. Mackie and Taylor upfront. If JCH was an Oxford player he'd have probably been sold last month for £m's, the way we're going he'll be joining Cheltenham next January on a free!! and we WERE 4th
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Post by markczgas on Feb 2, 2020 22:02:34 GMT
To be honest this post states Peterborough, Oxford and Coventry as being the clubs to aim for or "imitate" but there is one difference and it is a big difference. Yes they all have signed young players and sold on for big money as well but EVERY YEAR these clubs also fork out a lot of money on players that MAKE A DIFFERENCE whether it be ex Premiership/Championship players. They are willing to fork out what we would call a fortune to get QUALITY players in vital positions on quite expensive contracts and then hold on to those players until clubs offer near the figures they set for them. Our plan is completely different in that we have signed ALL young inexperienced players probably on a lot lower wages than players we already have. Whether we can succeed with this policy will depend just how good Ben Garner will prove to be in the long term. I can honestly see over the summer more youngsters coming in and more "old heads" going out. This policy can end in tears and probably is more likely too as those "old heads" are still needed in key positions. What we have to remember as well is the area of the country we are in with the only successful club in the area being Bristol City (unfortunately) and you only have to look around at players they have loaned out to clubs we are in competition with- Peterborough, Coventry,Oxford- the very clubs we are seeking to copy but we know fully too well they would not loan players to us. I am sure there is somebody who can come up with the record signings of these clubs we are seeking to copy anmd we will then realise that we are not in their League and never will be. I very much am behind BG but am not convinced this "cheap option" will succeed. It is more a case of heart ruling over the head or hope rather than belief. Peterborough and Oxford are only able to afford better players because of their buy low and sell high policy. Peterborough's because they initially had success with recruiting the best young, up and coming talent from a lower level (Gayle, Mackail-Smith, Boyd etc), then selling them on at a big profit and reinvesting for a continuing loop of talent. Oxford's approach in the market has mostly been to sign some of the promising unwanted U23 players from a higher level, develop them and then sell on for a big profit (Ledson, Lundstrom, Roofe etc). This is a bit off Wes, P'boro fork out 100,000s on players -e.g. Mo Eisa, wouldn't call that buy low.
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Post by pirate on Feb 2, 2020 22:13:12 GMT
Peterborough and Oxford are only able to afford better players because of their buy low and sell high policy. Peterborough's because they initially had success with recruiting the best young, up and coming talent from a lower level (Gayle, Mackail-Smith, Boyd etc), then selling them on at a big profit and reinvesting for a continuing loop of talent. Oxford's approach in the market has mostly been to sign some of the promising unwanted U23 players from a higher level, develop them and then sell on for a big profit (Ledson, Lundstrom, Roofe etc). This is a bit off Wes, P'boro fork out 100,000s on players -e.g. Mo Eisa, wouldn't call that buy low. They started off buying low and selling on players for vast profits which has enabled them to now splash out a bit more on the likes of Toney and Eisa. Toney cost around 600k and when sold will go for several millions. Good business. Edit: Their latest accounts showed player purchases £1.865m but sales £4.995 million from Marriott, Edwards, Baldwin etc.
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