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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2020 9:52:07 GMT
I can’t see it going any other way than null and void. People are going to be in lockdown for 4 months that’s the middle of July at the earliest, teams won’t be able to keep paying players without new season ticket money etc. Gotta feel for Liverpool Leeds, Coventry and Swindon tho. And my god how lucky have Bolton been I would say a bit of karma for the Swindon owner. Making us pay twice for the same game, that's one game better off he is than every other team who is going to miss out on ticket revenue.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 15, 2020 9:56:17 GMT
I don’t think another ball will be kicked for months,they are saying we are 16 days behind Italy and they are in lockdown with anyone caught outside facing up to 3 months in jail
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 15, 2020 10:02:25 GMT
Blimey I didn’t realise I’d upset you so much, I’m sorry. My position on the EFL Trophy was that it was a competition, in its current guise, voted for by the small clubs. The hypocrisy in people complaining about the Trophy was that no one ever objects to SKY Tv broadcasting in the bars at the club. In fact how many who so say boycotted the competition sat at home watching big clubs on subscription TV. It was the decisive action of the Premier League and Subscription TV that has lead to the inequality in football finance yet I’ve never seen any “boycott” of it. I supported the club in their Trophy games as I believed my support of the club financially was more important than trying to bolt a stable door that the horse had left over 20 years ago. So by the same token I believe our reaction to this current threat should be relevant to our behaviour now. It could potentially make us review our way of life significantly. The point I was making was that I don’t really care too much whether Liverpool are given a cup at the end of the season or Bolton or even us end up in the Fourth Division we should behave in a responsible way. This could be a big lesson for the world for the problems we face in the coming decades. You've not upset me, you've just made it clear you're not interested in collective action against wealthy owners until you're interested in collective action against wealthy owners that you decide on. Hint, if you're only interested in your action, then it's not collective. So when you say a will to pull together for each other what you really mean is a will to pull together to do what you want, so that's not really pulling together. Again sorry but I’m not proposing any collective action. Not sure where I’ve suggested that. I think it’s about individuals behaviour, people taking responsibility for their own behaviour.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 10:20:09 GMT
You've not upset me, you've just made it clear you're not interested in collective action against wealthy owners until you're interested in collective action against wealthy owners that you decide on. Hint, if you're only interested in your action, then it's not collective. So when you say a will to pull together for each other what you really mean is a will to pull together to do what you want, so that's not really pulling together. Again sorry but I’m not proposing any collective action. Not sure where I’ve suggested that. I think it’s about individuals behaviour, people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. You said 'We need ... a will to pull together for each other.' Is that not any sort of call for collective action? Or did you just mean we need to pull together by not actually doing anything?
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 15, 2020 10:33:33 GMT
Again sorry but I’m not proposing any collective action. Not sure where I’ve suggested that. I think it’s about individuals behaviour, people taking responsibility for their own behaviour. You said 'We need ... a will to pull together for each other.' Is that not any sort of call for collective action? Or did you just mean we need to pull together by not actually doing anything? Sorry I can’t find your quote of my words in any of my posts today. My comments merely suggested that we, as in individuals may need to modify our behaviour to cope with what is a very serious problem. I can’t actually see how my comments on the EFL Trophy have too much relevance here.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 10:38:13 GMT
You said 'We need ... a will to pull together for each other.' Is that not any sort of call for collective action? Or did you just mean we need to pull together by not actually doing anything? Sorry I can’t find your quote of my words in any of my posts today. My comments merely suggested that we, as in individuals may need to modify our behaviour to cope with what is a very serious problem. I can’t actually see how my comments on the EFL Trophy have too much relevance here. It's on the first page of this thread. I've explained how it's relevant. gasheads.proboards.com/post/608480If you don't think that "We can’t be dictated to by Satellite TV companies and the massive foreign owners of our football clubs. We need perspective and a will to pull together for each other." isn't relevant to the EFL trophy, then I'm not really sure what to say to that.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 15, 2020 10:51:15 GMT
Sorry I can’t find your quote of my words in any of my posts today. My comments merely suggested that we, as in individuals may need to modify our behaviour to cope with what is a very serious problem. I can’t actually see how my comments on the EFL Trophy have too much relevance here. It's on the first page of this thread. I've explained how it's relevant. gasheads.proboards.com/post/608480If you don't think that "We can’t be dictated to by Satellite TV companies and the massive foreign owners of our football clubs. We need perspective and a will to pull together for each other." isn't relevant to the EFL trophy, then I'm not really sure what to say to that. ag gotcha now you’ve pulled two comments out and put them together to make one quote, thanks for pointing that out. Cheers. I do stand by that, we do need to modify our behaviour. And I’f we do modify our behaviour ( as individuals ) we will indeed pull together. We don’t have to be corralled like sheep by the government. My original comments related to the virus and the irrelevance of football in light of the deaths that are occurring. Everyday the deaths are similar to a massive plane crash with a couple of huge terrorist acts thrown in. This is from something that we hadn’t heard of prior to this winter. No country is immune and I think it will change our behaviour for years to come so I’m not fussed if they abandon this football season. In light of such serious events I don’t see the point in having a discussion about the EFL Trophy.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 10:53:11 GMT
It's on the first page of this thread. I've explained how it's relevant. gasheads.proboards.com/post/608480If you don't think that "We can’t be dictated to by Satellite TV companies and the massive foreign owners of our football clubs. We need perspective and a will to pull together for each other." isn't relevant to the EFL trophy, then I'm not really sure what to say to that. ag gotcha now you’ve pulled two comments out and put them together to make one quote, thanks for pointing that out. No, that's bullshit. I didn't do that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:59:01 GMT
F Me! This place lately. Be careful what you type people, it is being monitored and will be held against you.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 11:02:41 GMT
F Me! This place lately. Be careful what you type people, it is being monitored and will be held against you. That's not what you said in October.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 15, 2020 11:05:09 GMT
ag gotcha now you’ve pulled two comments out and put them together to make one quote, thanks for pointing that out. No, that's bullshit. I didn't do that. AF, I respect you and enjoy your posts, but in this instance do you not think that you're being juuuust a tad petty on this?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 11:13:58 GMT
No, that's bullshit. I didn't do that. AF, I respect you and enjoy your posts, but in this instance do you not think that you're being juuuust a tad petty on this? The bloke was constantly sneering at the EFL boycott, and suddenly thinks we should now pull together. If you only want to pull together for things that you want to do, then that's not actually pulling together, is it? I mean, yeah, it is petty in a broader context, but this is a football forum for talking about football during a hiatus in the football calendar, so everything on topic is gonna be pretty petty.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 15, 2020 11:23:52 GMT
I don’t think another ball will be kicked for months,they are saying we are 16 days behind Italy and they are in lockdown with anyone caught outside facing up to 3 months in jail Wow ! i had no idea they were keeping people indoors but then, if you have been following wikileaks then you will know there is much more to this than we have been allowed to know. The virus can be airborne when the sneeze turns to aerosol, when mixing with air. Some of the videos, writhing China, have been horrific to view
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Post by Jomo on Mar 15, 2020 11:27:26 GMT
AF, I respect you and enjoy your posts, but in this instance do you not think that you're being juuuust a tad petty on this? The bloke was constantly sneering at the EFL boycott, and suddenly thinks we should now pull together. If you only want to pull together for things that you want to do, then that's not actually pulling together, is it? I mean, yeah, it is petty in a broader context, but this is a football forum for talking about football during a hiatus in the football calendar, so everything on topic is gonna be pretty petty. I get your point, but also on the flip side, this is a much bigger issue than the EFL Trophy boycott. The two situations are barely worth mentioning in the same breath. FYI I am all for the continued boycott of the EFL Trophy in it's current guise, but it is meaningless in the context of what's going on right now.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 15, 2020 11:27:29 GMT
You’ve really got to feel for Liverpool as they could taste it! I can’t imagine how they must feel - conflicted very much I assume. I love it.... It would be so funny Glory seeking fans,all of them that I know.In football terms I dislike there club as much as Bristol City for different reasons and I support no other club but the Gas. Got an amazing side, I like Klopp but cant stand the club and there arrogant fans.
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Post by gregsy on Mar 15, 2020 11:28:04 GMT
I can't believe your not allowed outside in Italy.... What if you work in a hospital or care home? What if you have a dog?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 11:32:56 GMT
It's on the first page of this thread. I've explained how it's relevant. gasheads.proboards.com/post/608480If you don't think that "We can’t be dictated to by Satellite TV companies and the massive foreign owners of our football clubs. We need perspective and a will to pull together for each other." isn't relevant to the EFL trophy, then I'm not really sure what to say to that. ag gotcha now you’ve pulled two comments out and put them together to make one quote, thanks for pointing that out. Cheers. I do stand by that, we do need to modify our behaviour. And I’f we do modify our behaviour ( as individuals ) we will indeed pull together. We don’t have to be corralled like sheep by the government. My original comments related to the virus and the irrelevance of football in light of the deaths that are occurring. Everyday the deaths are similar to a massive plane crash with a couple of huge terrorist acts thrown in. This is from something that we hadn’t heard of prior to this winter. No country is immune and I think it will change our behaviour for years to come so I’m not fussed if they abandon this football season. In light of such serious events I don’t see the point in having a discussion about the EFL Trophy. Then go and discuss your concerns in general chat, not that Boris etc is going to give a t0ss what you think about global warming etc.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 15, 2020 11:33:14 GMT
Hard to see how this particular season could be played out; the virus appears to be spreading, with no end currently in sight, expect the season to be made null & void.
Bury were culled for whatever, and will probably have to work their way back up the pyramid, just like AFC Wimbledon.
My concern would be that if the next season does not start until maybe after Christmas, what the shape of football club landscape will look actually look like, I would imagine a number of clubs may go into liquidation, although it could also provide an opportunity for clubs to put their house in order, cut particularly wages restructure and come back stronger.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 15, 2020 11:34:04 GMT
The bloke was constantly sneering at the EFL boycott, and suddenly thinks we should now pull together. If you only want to pull together for things that you want to do, then that's not actually pulling together, is it? I mean, yeah, it is petty in a broader context, but this is a football forum for talking about football during a hiatus in the football calendar, so everything on topic is gonna be pretty petty. I get your point, but also on the flip side, this is a much bigger issue than the EFL Trophy boycott. The two situations are barely worth mentioning in the same breath. FYI I am all for the continued boycott of the EFL Trophy in it's current guise, but it is meaningless in the context of what's going on right now. It depends what you mean by both situations. DBG said "We can’t be dictated to by Satellite TV companies and the massive foreign owners of our football clubs. We need perspective and a will to pull together for each other." so he's clearly still talking about football not wider Covid19 issues.
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 15, 2020 11:40:03 GMT
No, that's bullshit. I didn't do that. AF, I respect you and enjoy your posts, but in this instance do you not think that you're being juuuust a tad petty on this? Agreed. The guy apologised. That`s more than most on here would have been prepared to do.
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