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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 7, 2020 7:02:11 GMT
don’t believe a word about wanting 2 get rid of certain senior players it seems 2 me that some fans on this forum want Ben garner 2 fail Garner is managing to fail all on his own. He doesn't need our help.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 7, 2020 8:50:51 GMT
Its disappointing that we are still reading negative comments about the manager of our football club. On the particular issue of this thread every supporter must know that our mis firing midfield has been a big problem for the last couple of seasons and what ever has been tried does not seem to work,its also been a major contribution for our strikers failing to hit the heights. All our current midfielders are capable of man of the match performances as individuals but they are few and far between, and which ever combination from the same 4/5 players is put on the field they do not seem capable of performing as a unit. Personally i would have made radical changes a long time ago and IMHO BG can see the problem and has decided to do something about it, i can see where he is going with it and fully support him in his efforts, i know i am a Tinter and the only experience i have of sport management is running a marble grand prix team of average, mid table ability !but as far as the manager and players of our team are concerned those glasses will always be on! UP THE ROVERS!
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Post by alanrg on Jun 7, 2020 9:05:01 GMT
some people on this forum we against garner even before he was appointed shame on u
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 7, 2020 9:13:05 GMT
some people on this forum we against garner even before he was appointed shame on u To be fair, a lot of people did their very best to support him through three months of dross and confusion and only snapped after Southend.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 7, 2020 9:31:05 GMT
The only midfielder at our club, who can carry the ball forward, I’d have him over any our current crop. If he’s replaced with someone who’s creative, then fine.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 7, 2020 10:05:21 GMT
some people on this forum we against garner even before he was appointed shame on u And some are judging him based on his performance so far.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 7, 2020 12:48:27 GMT
don’t believe a word about wanting 2 get rid of certain senior players it seems 2 me that some fans on this forum want Ben garner 2 fail Garner is managing to fail all on his own. He doesn't need our help. That's not very loyal dear chap !
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Post by markczgas on Jun 7, 2020 12:52:08 GMT
Sorry to see Sercs go - he was an exciting player when playing well and he scored some cracking goals. I do remember one belter at The Mem from a free kick - a game I think we still lost - was it Gills 2 -1 ?? Think he was unlucky with regular niggley injuries these last two years. He'll get a big clap from me whenever he comes back to The Mem.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 7, 2020 12:56:27 GMT
Its disappointing that we are still reading negative comments about the manager of our football club. On the particular issue of this thread every supporter must know that our mis firing midfield has been a big problem for the last couple of seasons and what ever has been tried does not seem to work,its also been a major contribution for our strikers failing to hit the heights. All our current midfielders are capable of man of the match performances as individuals but they are few and far between, and which ever combination from the same 4/5 players is put on the field they do not seem capable of performing as a unit. Personally i would have made radical changes a long time ago and IMHO BG can see the problem and has decided to do something about it, i can see where he is going with it and fully support him in his efforts, i know i am a Tinter and the only experience i have of sport management is running a marble grand prix team of average, mid table ability !but as far as the manager and players of our team are concerned those glasses will always be on! UP THE ROVERS! I understand where you are coming from but I also don't get this Rovers midfield isn't good bit - what's wrong with Ogogo, Sercombe, Upson and Clarke ? I'd say they're all good players - all league 1 players. Hope the other 3 stay and we get a similar type replacement to Sercs - a ball carrier with an eye for a goal.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 7, 2020 13:15:28 GMT
Garner is managing to fail all on his own. He doesn't need our help. That's not very loyal dear chap ! Some might say that supporting a manager with possibly the worse record in our history is disloyal. Not me of course.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2020 13:36:26 GMT
Its disappointing that we are still reading negative comments about the manager of our football club. On the particular issue of this thread every supporter must know that our mis firing midfield has been a big problem for the last couple of seasons and what ever has been tried does not seem to work,its also been a major contribution for our strikers failing to hit the heights. All our current midfielders are capable of man of the match performances as individuals but they are few and far between, and which ever combination from the same 4/5 players is put on the field they do not seem capable of performing as a unit. Personally i would have made radical changes a long time ago and IMHO BG can see the problem and has decided to do something about it, i can see where he is going with it and fully support him in his efforts, i know i am a Tinter and the only experience i have of sport management is running a marble grand prix team of average, mid table ability !but as far as the manager and players of our team are concerned those glasses will always be on! UP THE ROVERS! I understand where you are coming from but I also don't get this Rovers midfield isn't good bit - what's wrong with Ogogo, Sercombe, Upson and Clarke ? I'd say they're all good players - all league 1 players. Hope the other 3 stay and we get a similar type replacement to Sercs - a ball carrier with an eye for a goal. The issue is none of them seem to form a good partnership and OC seems to have lost his way. We desperately need to replace Lines this summer if BG's team is actually going to play some football rather than hoof ball.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 7, 2020 15:59:24 GMT
I understand where you are coming from but I also don't get this Rovers midfield isn't good bit - what's wrong with Ogogo, Sercombe, Upson and Clarke ? I'd say they're all good players - all league 1 players. Hope the other 3 stay and we get a similar type replacement to Sercs - a ball carrier with an eye for a goal. The issue is none of them seem to form a good partnership and OC seems to have lost his way. We desperately need to replace Lines this summer if BG's team is actually going to play some football rather than hoof ball. I think OC needs to move on for his own good (personal and career development) and also this would benefit the club. Wouldn't be disappointed if he didn't stay. I agree with markczgas - there's not that much wrong with our midfield but they don't seem to have decent wingers to work with right now. We haven't replaced Lines as you say for that extra creativity but the key lack of replacement was a certain Billy Bodin whose replacement in Kyle Bennett was beyond consistent. Great start but massively disappointing since. Perhaps the one position we've never sorted out as well is the left wing position, Montano was decent in L2 but he never made it his own in L1 and we've never really sorted this position out since being back at this level.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 7, 2020 18:03:45 GMT
Topper reinforces my point which was, as individuals they are all capable of MOM performances but as a unit they just do not, and have not for some time, form a good, functioning, productive midfield, whichever combination is tried .
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jun 8, 2020 15:18:44 GMT
Actually the midfield of Upson, Ogogo and Clark was an effective unit under GC. They played as a bank of 3 in front of a back 5. Creativity? There was none. However by playing 8 defenders we were a tough team to beat. Pretty it wasn't. But points were plentiful.
However, BG has a different style and it is difficult to see how these players can be accommodated. I'd be surprised if more than one of them is with us next season - whenever that starts.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 8, 2020 17:13:22 GMT
The only midfielder at our club, who can carry the ball forward, I’d have him over any our current crop. If he’s replaced with someone who’s creative, then fine. That's the key thing for me, judge him on who he brings in to replace him.... Lets be honest the midfield has not looked flowing for a while now, and Sercs not the player he was in his first season.
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Post by xenongas on Jun 9, 2020 9:17:07 GMT
The issue is none of them seem to form a good partnership and OC seems to have lost his way. We desperately need to replace Lines this summer if BG's team is actually going to play some football rather than hoof ball. I think OC needs to move on for his own good (personal and career development) and also this would benefit the club. Wouldn't be disappointed if he didn't stay. I agree with markczgas - there's not that much wrong with our midfield but they don't seem to have decent wingers to work with right now. We haven't replaced Lines as you say for that extra creativity but the key lack of replacement was a certain Billy Bodin whose replacement in Kyle Bennett was beyond consistent. Great start but massively disappointing since. Perhaps the one position we've never sorted out as well is the left wing position, Montano was decent in L2 but he never made it his own in L1 and we've never really sorted this position out since being back at this level. That was the beginning of the end of Sercombe when he was shunted out on the left; he never really recovered his form after that. I'm of the opinion he was put out there as one of the best players and therefore one that could be trusted out of position to plug a hole in the team. Unfortunately to the detriment of his career here.
I agree about OC. "Fresh start" gets thrown about a lot but in this case it is spot on for everyone involved. Doesn't mean his time here isn't appreciated - he obviously cares about the club.
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Post by RD on Jun 9, 2020 10:20:51 GMT
Sercombe is clearly a talented player but also clearly one of our higher earners. I don't mind him being in the top 10% of earners if he's in the top 10% of performers week in, week out - but he rarely is.
Let's face it, if he was on as much as Ogogo or OC then I'm sure everyone would be devastated he's off. But almost everyone I've spoken to believes he's one of the highest earners at the club - and whilst he's unplayable at times, all too often he's a 6 or 7 out of 10 performer for me; given our financial situation - not to mention the current climate - it's hardly a surprise he's being moved on.
Thanks for everything Sercs - certainly a player I wish well.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 9, 2020 13:43:00 GMT
The only midfielder at our club, who can carry the ball forward, I’d have him over any our current crop. If he’s replaced with someone who’s creative, then fine. Anyone who’s seen Barrett play seems to think he’s a player with a lot of technical ability but just not fit enough. Hopefully he’ll have dropped a few pounds during lockdown and he’ll come back as our creative midfielder. Could be a star of next season if that’s the case.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 9, 2020 17:38:26 GMT
The only midfielder at our club, who can carry the ball forward, I’d have him over any our current crop. If he’s replaced with someone who’s creative, then fine. Anyone who’s seen Barrett play seems to think he’s a player with a lot of technical ability but just not fit enough. Hopefully he’ll have dropped a few pounds during lockdown and he’ll come back as our creative midfielder. Could be a star of next season if that’s the case. "Hopefully" and "if" being the key words.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 17:50:48 GMT
The only midfielder at our club, who can carry the ball forward, I’d have him over any our current crop. If he’s replaced with someone who’s creative, then fine. Anyone who’s seen Barrett play seems to think he’s a player with a lot of technical ability but just not fit enough. Hopefully he’ll have dropped a few pounds during lockdown and he’ll come back as our creative midfielder. Could be a star of next season if that’s the case. He could come back looking like billy bunter and hardly play for the last 2 years of his contract. Just an alternative possible.
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