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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 17:35:40 GMT
I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. I think people under-estimate the cost of buying veg especially when it spoils so easily. I’m having to make hard choices at the moment because I can’t pay my rent, my bills, save £400/£500 for a house deposit and cook healthy meals- it just can’t be done. As such I have to make savings and one of the most efficient savings at the moment is reducing my shopping bills that were £40+ a week with fresh produce etc to less than £20 where I buy stodgy processed foods that suppress my appetite. I imagine this is a common problem for a lot of people. I’ve seen a fair few complaining about the cost of fresh produce since the government have tried to foist this healthy eating nonsense on us. It once again ignores the core problem that healthy eating is a rich man’s problem and poverty is the root cause of unhealthy eating. So instead of taxing people for the sh** food they eat why not try and implement policies that give us more money in our pocket that we can spend on healthy food whilst still having enough left over to be able to provide adequately for ourselves? If people are struggling to get by taking short cuts on your diet is the quickest win. I don't believe your numbers add up. I live alone. A quart of milk lasts a week £1.30 A loaf lasts a week £1.40 3 types of fresh veg lasts week say £5.50 One cereal type say £2 Protein, fish and chicken £1.50 a day That's about £20 a week, even if you eat the lot or some doesn't last it (it does) Healthy eating is not a rich man's issue. Poverty is part of the issue, but not the only one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 17:37:07 GMT
I think people under-estimate the cost of buying veg especially when it spoils so easily. I’m having to make hard choices at the moment because I can’t pay my rent, my bills, save £400/£500 for a house deposit and cook healthy meals- it just can’t be done. As such I have to make savings and one of the most efficient savings at the moment is reducing my shopping bills that were £40+ a week with fresh produce etc to less than £20 where I buy stodgy processed foods that suppress my appetite. I imagine this is a common problem for a lot of people. I’ve seen a fair few complaining about the cost of fresh produce since the government have tried to foist this healthy eating nonsense on us. It once again ignores the core problem that healthy eating is a rich man’s problem and poverty is the root cause of unhealthy eating. So instead of taxing people for the sh** food they eat why not try and implement policies that give us more money in our pocket that we can spend on healthy food whilst still having enough left over to be able to provide adequately for ourselves? If people are struggling to get by taking short cuts on your diet is the quickest win. Whilst I agree that poverty does have an impact it's not the only reason,plenty of my middle class friends have grossly overweight kids,there is a cultural challenge here. Families not sitting down together,kids eating crap in front of the TV,the reluctance to take time to prepare healthy food because everyone wants everything instantaneously. I know plenty of people who whilst not having a great deal of money would sooner buy takeaway meals that cost more then fresh food because it's a lifestyle choice My parents had very little money but we ate freshly prepared healthy food everyday even though as a % of income food was much more expensive in the 50s/60s than it is now. It's about choice and lifestyle and many folk today put healthy food way down the list. Precisely |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:00:39 GMT
And away we go again, more insults. It actually is quite simple, take responsibility for your own actions and their consequences. Couldn't agree more It's 'a thing' isn't it, so much easier to just write a list of people who we already know are likely to have a health / weight / diabetes issue and suggest they are in some way victims than it is to propose a practical solution. Have just been out working and come back in and sat down, so have given this literally 0 thought, but how about this for starters; National planning permission rules that prevents those 'Golden Arches' and whatever the Burger King or KFC etc signs being erected, those that are there to be removed. No external menus. No drive throughs. No TV, radio, cinema, paper advertising. Huge fines if the rancid places can be smelt externally. Big tax / levy on any meal served, anywhere above a certain number of calories. 250ml max drink size. Ban on offers such as 'buy 1 get 1 free'. No more mayo / ketchup etc on counters, 1 small carton per-meal. This would be good for kebab shops also where you see customers taking a sheesh kebab with fresh clean salad which is a healthy meal, and plastering it with garlic mayo. Maximum pizza size. Same rules for external advertising etc for pizza shops, just ban it so that they look like a plain building. All fast food, including snacks such as crisps and cakes to be served / sold in containers displaying a picture of someone who has, for example, had a limb amputated due to diabetes. Max 2 pints of beer to be served per-customer per-day. Breath test on entry to licenced premises. Beer is a major problem with male body fat, especially around the stomach area, that's the worst / most dangerous place for Men to have excess weight, it's a killer. Shame on anybody who makes a living from this trade. They need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. I'm sure there's absolutely loads more that can be added. She who casts no shadow has just looked over my shoulder, called me Alf Garnett and has asked whether Home Economics is even taught at school any longer? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:38:39 GMT
Jackanory?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:53:34 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts.
You would have said that those pictures on cigarette cartons and hiding those out of sight behind shutters was a bad idea.
In fact, everything that you don't think of or isn't Labour policy is a bad idea in your opinion.
So far your contribution has been a big fat zero towards any kind of solution, other than telling us how much you pay for a quart of milk.
Utterly useless, but about your usual level.
Hey, whilst you are here, fancy going back to the USA thread and I'll give you another mauling.
This time it'll be with some research I've done around how USA just isn't an institutionally racist place.
Here's why.
Turns out, first and second generation black immigrants aren't having the same problems with Police encounters and are graduating High School in much higher numbers than black people who have been there for multiple generations. With that High School education, of course, they are mostly going on to obtain well paid jobs.
So riddle me this, how do the US Police know not to victimise these people when they are visually the same, and why are they doing so much better in education and then employment if society is set against their skin colour?
You really do need to clear your head of all this left wing poison and get some proper research under your belt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 20:10:00 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 20:21:56 GMT
Dear Moderators.
Can we have an award for 'Word Salad Post Of The Year'.
Back on point.
As expected and as always, an invitation to look at new information that you weren't aware of and you don't reply, as an adult would, with something like, ''Oh, I haven't ever heard anything of that type, OK, let's go back to the USA thread and show me the research, if it's credible we'll have a discussion around it'.
Enquiring minds, yeah right, if you say so.
Whilst you are reading The Guardian and congratulating yourself because everything in there confirms what you think, some of us are off doing honest research, trying to find out what's actually going on in the world.
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 28, 2020 5:50:26 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. |
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 28, 2020 6:26:49 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. Well I spent 22 years in the Navy travelling the World and all its Oceans and Seas and not a few storms (not to mention the Torpoint Ferry on many an occasion 🤪) and I’m happy as they come also. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 7:55:28 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. 😂😂😂 Hunter S Thompson It was one of his quotes. As a late teen I read "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas" with delight when the book was serialised in Rolling Stone magazine. 1971 as I recall. Probably not on the magazine stand in Lymington I would imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 9:24:40 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. Was surprised to hear it was a quote from Hunter S Thompson, an alcoholic drug abuser with no coherent political view. One of the old Severn ferries is still on the side of the river just on the outskirts of Chepstow, you can walk down the path there and see it. A group of volunteers are trying to restore it, but sadly I don't think they have the time or funds to get the job done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 9:43:22 GMT
Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. Was surprised to hear it was a quote from Hunter S Thompson, an alcoholic drug abuser with no coherent political view. One of the old Severn ferries is still on the side of the river just on the outskirts of Chepstow, you can walk down the path there and see it. A group of volunteers are trying to restore it, but sadly I don't think they have the time or funds to get the job done. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 10:04:47 GMT
Probably relevant to this topic, I found this piece from Patrick O'Flynn in the Spectator interesting. flip.it/6sQhpsHe is right (IMO). But what is interesting is that he is making these statements so early in Starmer's tenure. He mentioned Blair's clause 4 moment. That did not happen until his 2nd conference as leader, Starmer has not even had the opportunity to front his first. Given that O'Flynn is an articulate proponent of Conservative viewpoints I find that surprising (at this point) and interesting. A case of "he doth protest too much, methinks" |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 28, 2020 10:28:15 GMT
Well, apart from the Lymington to Yarmouth car ferry, I`ve spent pretty much all my life securely on shore. Can`t say, I`m too unhappy about it. Well I spent 22 years in the Navy travelling the World and all its Oceans and Seas and not a few storms (not to mention the Torpoint Ferry on many an occasion 🤪) and I’m happy as they come also. Sorted. All that rum, sodomy and the lash, never appealed to me. But we`re both happy, which is great.  |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 28, 2020 11:00:27 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. So which group are you in? Are you the forum`s very own Ernest Shackleton? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 11:04:48 GMT
"So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?” Quote. So which group are you in? Are you the forum`s very own Ernest Shackleton? That depends who you ask. |
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 28, 2020 19:17:52 GMT
Well I spent 22 years in the Navy travelling the World and all its Oceans and Seas and not a few storms (not to mention the Torpoint Ferry on many an occasion 🤪) and I’m happy as they come also. Sorted. All that rum, sodomy and the lash, never appealed to me. But we`re both happy, which is great. Well you got them in the right order.....are you sure you never served?.......🤔🤪 |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 29, 2020 5:54:31 GMT
Sorted. All that rum, sodomy and the lash, never appealed to me. But we`re both happy, which is great. Well you got them in the right order.....are you sure you never served?.......🤔🤪 Four years working for the NAAFI in Germany. Does that count? |
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 29, 2020 7:07:01 GMT
Well you got them in the right order.....are you sure you never served?.......🤔🤪 Four years working for the NAAFI in Germany. Does that count? Honary Member.....😀👍 Lost a weekend of my life in Detmold some while back....thanks to the AAC and not a few steins of frothy liquid. Probably wouldn’t last the first hour or two now.....🤪 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:39:03 GMT
The issue of income distribution and relative poverty has been discussed ad infinitum. The need for food banks equally so, with suggestion that they are being abused and therefore the need overstated. Interesting then that the Government should come out with this. "Up to 1.5 million more children in England should get free school meals to help tackle a growing crisis of food poverty and unhealthy eating, according to a blueprint billed as the first national food strategy since war rationing." And "The author of the strategy, the Leon restaurant co-founder Henry Dimbleby, said Covid-19 had highlighted stark economic, health and nutritional inequalities which are set to be made worse by the pandemic’s economic fallout. He warned that “the wave of unemployment now rushing towards us is likely to create a sharp rise in food insecurity and outright hunger”. The report also covers the impact of climate change and food labelling. Link to the media report on it here www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/29/huge-growth-in-free-school-meals-urged-to-tackle-food-poverty-crisis |
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