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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:56:49 GMT
Why not? It was obvious what was going to happen. Well I was in Northern Italy until the 25th February and very little was happening . Apart from just over 2000 dead you mean. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 13:02:16 GMT
Unhealthy foods or covid? Tax on unhealthy foods What's unhealthy food? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 13:03:18 GMT
Well I was in Northern Italy until the 25th February and very little was happening . Apart from just over 2000 dead you mean. No lockdown no restrictions not even in the news much I mean. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 13:04:56 GMT
Apart from just over 2000 dead you mean. No lockdown no restrictions not even in the news much I mean. And looked what happened. We couldn't learn from this? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 13:30:41 GMT
Now this is a bit worrying.
I agree with something Oldie has said.
Type 2 diabetes is a massive drain on the NHS, it's swallowing up around 1.5 million quid an hour, or 10% of the entire NHS budget. That's before we even begin with the personal tragedy it causes.
Cost to the economy circa £8bn PA.
Cost due to absenteeism circa £7bn PA.
I don't know what it costs in benefits etc, but it's probably a big number.
But again, this isn't a new problem, sure it's a problem that's destroying lives, but if you name call any particular government then you don't sound as if you actually want to have a grown up discussion about what the possible solutions may be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 13:32:19 GMT
Hi Clive Yes absolutely. Covid has crystalised these issues. Suggestion. Health tax on unhealthy foods. Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 13:34:42 GMT
Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. Lazyness and convenience. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 13:43:01 GMT
Where's the surprise here exactly?
People who make poor decisions, the type of decisions that are likely to leave them in poverty, are also likely to be be prone to make poor dietary decisions.
Well, you could knock me down with a feather.
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 13:45:30 GMT
Where's the surprise here exactly? People who make poor decisions, the type of decisions that are likely to leave them in poverty, are also likely to be be prone to make poor dietary decisions. Well, you could knock me down with a feather. Aren't feathers fattening? Just asking on behalf of the 2 pigeons who are desperatly overweight in my garden. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 13:52:51 GMT
Where's the surprise here exactly? People who make poor decisions, the type of decisions that are likely to leave them in poverty, are also likely to be be prone to make poor dietary decisions. Well, you could knock me down with a feather. Aren't feathers fattening? Just asking on behalf of the 2 pigeons who are desperately overweight in my garden. You need to give those feathered rats a calorie count on the bread you are throwing at them, so that they can make an informed decision and know when to stop. Also, if you have a tray of sauces for them to select from to go with their bread, make sure there's a health warning on each container. That mayo will go straight on their hips. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 13:54:14 GMT
Aren't feathers fattening? Just asking on behalf of the 2 pigeons who are desperately overweight in my garden. You need to give those feathered rats a calorie count on the bread you are throwing at them, so that they can make an informed decision and know when to stop. Also, if you have a tray of sauces for them to select from to go with their bread, make sure there's a health warning on each container. That mayo will go straight on their hips. You're assuming pigeons aren't thick. Hate to break it to you, but they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 14:55:03 GMT
I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. Lazyness and convenience. Oldies figures suggest there is already a financial incentive for poorer families to provide decent food for their kids. Perhaps society should question why so many people have kids in the first place when they can’t be arsed to look after them properly - I could have a guess but would be labelled an evil right winger! |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Jul 27, 2020 15:16:44 GMT
Now this is a bit worrying. I agree with something Oldie has said. Type 2 diabetes is a massive drain on the NHS, it's swallowing up around 1.5 million quid an hour, or 10% of the entire NHS budget. That's before we even begin with the personal tragedy it causes. Cost to the economy circa £8bn PA. Cost due to absenteeism circa £7bn PA. I don't know what it costs in benefits etc, but it's probably a big number. But again, this isn't a new problem, sure it's a problem that's destroying lives, but if you name call any particular government then you don't sound as if you actually want to have a grown up discussion about what the possible solutions may be. Type 2 diabetes is the thing that can be controlled easily, especially by diet. I had been feeling extremely tired in the afternoons for many months and it was affecting my work as I couldn't concentrate. Eventually my Dr diagnosed a sugar issue and I got a call last July telling me my blood sugar was right up into the diabetes category and I was at risk of actually developing type 2 diabetes. So, I did a lot of research, read a lot of NHS articles, and read up about diet controlled diabetes. Guess what, 5 months later, I had cut all added sugar (and a lot of natural sugar) from my diet, replaced sugar with essential fats, retrained my body to metabolise fat for energy rather than sugar, lost 2.5 stone in weight and feel much better and have loads more energy. I'm slim and trim and Mrs Scoobydoo is happier about it as well. My sugar levels have also come down to almost normal levels so I am currently not at any risk. I will say tho that the headaches from the sugar withdrawal lasted 4 weeks and were really nasty at times.
My point here is that I had to want to do something about it. It doesn't matter how many times you are told, how many warnings of doom are thrown your way, how much literature is thrust upon you. If you haven't the will power or simply don't want to change then you won't. It's nobody else's fault except your own.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 15:39:48 GMT
Lazyness and convenience. Oldies figures suggest there is already a financial incentive for poorer families to provide decent food for their kids. Perhaps society should question why so many people have kids in the first place when they can’t be arsed to look after them properly - I could have a guess but would be labelled an evil right winger! I don't think it's a question of left or right, but why? Why is this happening. This is a difficult question and there may well be some very difficult societal questions to answer. Just throwing it out there with no political intent, but for eg Mother or father, or both, working long hours, or two jobs... = Time Poverty Poor education Peer pressure on kids Broken families Drug abuse amongst the parents And so on None of those are an excuse, but to me you add them together in a cohort and you end up with generational poor habit and behaviour, handed down. This is where we are I believe with sections of our society afflicted in this way. We can shout at them, we can call them names, we can even lock them up. What does it change? We need to break this horrific cycle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:38:31 GMT
Now this is a bit worrying. I agree with something Oldie has said. Type 2 diabetes is a massive drain on the NHS, it's swallowing up around 1.5 million quid an hour, or 10% of the entire NHS budget. That's before we even begin with the personal tragedy it causes. Cost to the economy circa £8bn PA. Cost due to absenteeism circa £7bn PA. I don't know what it costs in benefits etc, but it's probably a big number. But again, this isn't a new problem, sure it's a problem that's destroying lives, but if you name call any particular government then you don't sound as if you actually want to have a grown up discussion about what the possible solutions may be. Type 2 diabetes is the thing that can be controlled easily, especially by diet. I had been feeling extremely tired in the afternoons for many months and it was affecting my work as I couldn't concentrate. Eventually my Dr diagnosed a sugar issue and I got a call last July telling me my blood sugar was right up into the diabetes category and I was at risk of actually developing type 2 diabetes. So, I did a lot of research, read a lot of NHS articles, and read up about diet controlled diabetes. Guess what, 5 months later, I had cut all added sugar (and a lot of natural sugar) from my diet, replaced sugar with essential fats, retrained my body to metabolise fat for energy rather than sugar, lost 2.5 stone in weight and feel much better and have loads more energy. I'm slim and trim and Mrs Scoobydoo is happier about it as well. My sugar levels have also come down to almost normal levels so I am currently not at any risk. I will say tho that the headaches from the sugar withdrawal lasted 4 weeks and were really nasty at times.
My point here is that I had to want to do something about it. It doesn't matter how many times you are told, how many warnings of doom are thrown your way, how much literature is thrust upon you. If you haven't the will power or simply don't want to change then you won't. It's nobody else's fault except your own.
Firstly, sorry to hear about your health problems but I'm glad that you are making progress with the condition. Well done, it sounds easy just reading a paragraph there, but that's a big effort that needs, as you point out, someone to make the decision to help themselves to get the ball rolling. The main point there is that you've taken responsibility and aren't blaming McDonald's for causing the problem by asking if you want to 'Supersize' your meal. I don't see gangs of marauding Burger King vigilantes going door to door around my little area of Gloucestershire and forcing people, at gun point, to go to outlets and purchase Double Whopper meals with 1 litre size fizzy drinks and extra red sauce. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:43:49 GMT
I see simplistic thinking is rampant
No wonder this country is going to the dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 17:02:34 GMT
Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. I think people under-estimate the cost of buying veg especially when it spoils so easily. I’m having to make hard choices at the moment because I can’t pay my rent, my bills, save £400/£500 for a house deposit and cook healthy meals- it just can’t be done. As such I have to make savings and one of the most efficient savings at the moment is reducing my shopping bills that were £40+ a week with fresh produce etc to less than £20 where I buy stodgy processed foods that suppress my appetite. I imagine this is a common problem for a lot of people. I’ve seen a fair few complaining about the cost of fresh produce since the government have tried to foist this healthy eating nonsense on us. It once again ignores the core problem that healthy eating is a rich man’s problem and poverty is the root cause of unhealthy eating. So instead of taxing people for the sh** food they eat why not try and implement policies that give us more money in our pocket that we can spend on healthy food whilst still having enough left over to be able to provide adequately for ourselves? If people are struggling to get by taking short cuts on your diet is the quickest win. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 17:03:50 GMT
And away we go again, more insults.
It actually is quite simple, take responsibility for your own actions and their consequences.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 17:21:15 GMT
And away we go again, more insults. It actually is quite simple, take responsibility for your own actions and their consequences. Couldn't agree more |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 17:32:35 GMT
I think so in theory, but only those that rely on takeaways. Take a family of 4. Fresh cabbage 90p. 2.5kgs fresh potatoes, £2. Fresh fish or chops, £1 a head? So £6.90 if the whole lot is used in one session. Burgers/chips what, £6? Family of four that's £24 and killing themselves. Cook yourself save £17 and kids are unlikely to be obese. Easy. I think people under-estimate the cost of buying veg especially when it spoils so easily. I’m having to make hard choices at the moment because I can’t pay my rent, my bills, save £400/£500 for a house deposit and cook healthy meals- it just can’t be done. As such I have to make savings and one of the most efficient savings at the moment is reducing my shopping bills that were £40+ a week with fresh produce etc to less than £20 where I buy stodgy processed foods that suppress my appetite. I imagine this is a common problem for a lot of people. I’ve seen a fair few complaining about the cost of fresh produce since the government have tried to foist this healthy eating nonsense on us. It once again ignores the core problem that healthy eating is a rich man’s problem and poverty is the root cause of unhealthy eating. So instead of taxing people for the sh** food they eat why not try and implement policies that give us more money in our pocket that we can spend on healthy food whilst still having enough left over to be able to provide adequately for ourselves? If people are struggling to get by taking short cuts on your diet is the quickest win. Whilst I agree that poverty does have an impact it's not the only reason,plenty of my middle class friends have grossly overweight kids,there is a cultural challenge here. Families not sitting down together,kids eating crap in front of the TV,the reluctance to take time to prepare healthy food because everyone wants everything instantaneously. I know plenty of people who whilst not having a great deal of money would sooner buy takeaway meals that cost more then fresh food because it's a lifestyle choice My parents had very little money but we ate freshly prepared healthy food everyday even though as a % of income food was much more expensive in the 50s/60s than it is now. It's about choice and lifestyle and many folk today put healthy food way down the list. |
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