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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 11:31:05 GMT
Scatter gun approach from an inept government.
Imagine if gov do go with USA & war with China/Russia, I'd be worried Boris and his cohort would nuke the UK by accident. Boris would accidentally shoot himself at a barracks visit or something, the total idiot that he is.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:14:11 GMT
Scatter gun approach from an inept government. Imagine if gov do go with USA & war with China/Russia, I'd be worried Boris and his cohort would nuke the UK by accident. Boris would accidentally shoot himself at a barracks visit or something, the total idiot that he is. How is scatter gun approach when it's very incisive,as for giving notice surely if you have the data you have to act which is what they did. Imagine the moaning if they said on Wednesday they might change the rules there would be "oh we need certainty, oh there indecisive blah blah",then loads of moaning about should we go or not plus that wa..ker Ashworth going on that any delay costs lives Got the data,analysed by the scientists and decision made in 24 hrs job done Anyone with half a brain cell going abroad at this time knows there are risks that restrictions will be applied at short notice so all the faux surprise is beyond me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:22:15 GMT
Scatter gun approach from an inept government. Imagine if gov do go with USA & war with China/Russia, I'd be worried Boris and his cohort would nuke the UK by accident. Boris would accidentally shoot himself at a barracks visit or something, the total idiot that he is. How is scatter gun approach when it's very incisive,as for giving notice surely if you have the data you have to act which is what they did. Imagine the moaning if they said on Wednesday they might change the rules there would be "oh we need certainty, oh there indecisive blah blah",then loads of moaning about should we go or not plus that wa..ker Ashworth going on that any delay costs lives Got the data,analysed by the scientists and decision made in 24 hrs job done Anyone with half a brain cell going abroad at this time knows there are risks that restrictions will be applied at short notice so all the faux surprise is beyond me. I was referring to the conflicting press release i.e. eat out more, lose weight, lockdown - if you can etc... |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:26:34 GMT
Scatter gun approach from an inept government. Imagine if gov do go with USA & war with China/Russia, I'd be worried Boris and his cohort would nuke the UK by accident. Boris would accidentally shoot himself at a barracks visit or something, the total idiot that he is. How is scatter gun approach when it's very incisive,as for giving notice surely if you have the data you have to act which is what they did. Imagine the moaning if they said on Wednesday they might change the rules there would be "oh we need certainty, oh there indecisive blah blah",then loads of moaning about should we go or not plus that wa..ker Ashworth going on that any delay costs lives Got the data,analysed by the scientists and decision made in 24 hrs job done Anyone with half a brain cell going abroad at this time knows there are risks that restrictions will be applied at short notice so all the faux surprise is beyond me. They had the data in January, didn't lock down for 3 months. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:27:02 GMT
The issue is surely where do people, in the main, "eat out"? Macdonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pizza joints? Pub lunches (Brakes Bros frozen products), greasy spoons, Indian or Chinese? Fish & Chips? None of that can be considered "healthy" in terms of their chemical content. You can eat out healthily,but it costs. So I will contend that the Government has now sent out mixed messages, in a desperate attempt to get people back to spending per normal they are actively incentivising people with a tenner to eat sh*t, whilst at the same time telling you it makes you obese and increases your morbidity factor by 40% if you happen to catch Covid19. It's bollox. The problem though Oldie is that an incentive of a tenner is not going to stop people eating sh**. Those people will eat the same amount of sh** but have a tenner still in their pocket when they leave. This isn't about asking people to eat healthily - it's about restarting the economy in that sector. McDonalds et al have been open for a while now but I believe (you'll correct me if I'm wrong) the offer only applies during August and then only Mon to Wed when traditionally that was the quietest time for pub lunches, Harvester, restaurants, carverys and places like that. As soon as the fast food places reopened there were queues at them all. It was almost immediate that police cars and ambulance cars were in the queue at McDonalds in my area. Aren't NHS staff meant to promote healthy eating? And what were the unhealthy people eating before these places reopened? Probably those disgusting Rustler burgers in plastic wrappers that they sell in supermarkets. The ones with the use by dates well into the future which should be an immediate clue as to the sh** that must be in them. The point I'm making is that the offer of 50% off (up to a tenner) won't change anyone's lifestyle or eating habits but it might help the economy. I don't see why there has to be an issue with it coinciding with obesity week or whatever it is. You can still get your discount and eat something healthy.
As an example, a place that myself and Mrs Scoobydoo used to frequent before lockdown has emailed me with an offer of 30% off of all main meals for any day of the week. Is that wrong as well as I may go and stuff myself with pies and chips or is it acceptable as they are trying to attract customers in order to remain in business and save jobs? I guess opinions will differ.
All this stuff does pee me off,whatever happened to personal responsibility, if you take no heed of the plethora of health warnings and continue to eat too much etc then that's down to the individuals. We all have to make choices in life and live with the consequences however,there's far too much looking to blame someone for our own actions and the state is always the target. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:31:45 GMT
How is scatter gun approach when it's very incisive,as for giving notice surely if you have the data you have to act which is what they did. Imagine the moaning if they said on Wednesday they might change the rules there would be "oh we need certainty, oh there indecisive blah blah",then loads of moaning about should we go or not plus that wa..ker Ashworth going on that any delay costs lives Got the data,analysed by the scientists and decision made in 24 hrs job done Anyone with half a brain cell going abroad at this time knows there are risks that restrictions will be applied at short notice so all the faux surprise is beyond me. They had the data in January, didn't lock down for 3 months. They didn't actually if you listen to what the scientists have said the data was limited and poor quality and quote Chris Witty last week " we advised the Government to lock down once we had the data and they did so within 4 days and with all the Operational challenges that was as quick as they could have done it". |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:33:18 GMT
They had the data in January, didn't lock down for 3 months. They didn't actually if you listen to what the scientists have said the data was limited and poor quality and quote Chris Witty last week " we advised the Government to lock down once we had the data and they did so within 4 days and with all the Operational challenges that was as quick as they could have done it". And they couldn't look across to Italy to see what was going to happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:35:28 GMT
Time for proper policies on these issues, not hand to mouth decisions and "Whataboutery" which, frankly, is pathetic.
Time to turn this crisis into an opportunity for education and thought through policies.
Obese kids at 5 years old, epidemic levels of Type 2 diabetes, 40% incremental risk factor from Covid.
We as society need to act. This is the opportunity.
Do we have a Government capable of doing so?
It doesn't help when this time last year Johnson openly called for a review of the sugar tax. He wasn't talking about raising it.
So in answer to my question, do we have a Government capable of doing so,
Do we f**k.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:36:23 GMT
How is scatter gun approach when it's very incisive,as for giving notice surely if you have the data you have to act which is what they did. Imagine the moaning if they said on Wednesday they might change the rules there would be "oh we need certainty, oh there indecisive blah blah",then loads of moaning about should we go or not plus that wa..ker Ashworth going on that any delay costs lives Got the data,analysed by the scientists and decision made in 24 hrs job done Anyone with half a brain cell going abroad at this time knows there are risks that restrictions will be applied at short notice so all the faux surprise is beyond me. I was referring to the conflicting press release i.e. eat out more, lose weight, lockdown - if you can etc... Fair enough😆 Dont you think that we have had enough information over the years and recently for folk to be sensible and make up their own mind,we complain about everything including being in a nanny state then when advice is issued we moan about that. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:38:39 GMT
I was referring to the conflicting press release i.e. eat out more, lose weight, lockdown - if you can etc... Fair enough😆 Dont you think that we have had enough information over the years and recently for folk to be sensible and make up their own mind,we complain about everything including being in a nanny state then when advice is issued we moan about that. Thank you Mr Cummings. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:43:47 GMT
Time for proper policies on these issues, not hand to mouth decisions and "Whataboutery" which, frankly, is pathetic. Time to turn this crisis into an opportunity for education and thought through policies. Obese kids at 5 years old, epidemic levels of Type 2 diabetes, 40% incremental risk factor from Covid. We as society need to act. This is the opportunity. Do we have a Government capable of doing so? It doesn't help when this time last year Johnson openly called for a review of the sugar tax. He wasn't talking about raising it. So in answer to my question, do we have a Government capable of doing so, Do we f**k. Dont disagree Les this has been going on for decades and other than warm words from successive governments not a lot changes. This is a massive cultural issue ,driving to the shops 100 yds away,kids sat all day in front of play stations ,no sports at School etc etc. Unless people change and by and large it's only "pain"that does that any government impact unless drastic will I'm afraid be minimal. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
Fair enough😆 Dont you think that we have had enough information over the years and recently for folk to be sensible and make up their own mind,we complain about everything including being in a nanny state then when advice is issued we moan about that. Thank you Mr Cummings. Ah humour |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:47:55 GMT
Time for proper policies on these issues, not hand to mouth decisions and "Whataboutery" which, frankly, is pathetic. Time to turn this crisis into an opportunity for education and thought through policies. Obese kids at 5 years old, epidemic levels of Type 2 diabetes, 40% incremental risk factor from Covid. We as society need to act. This is the opportunity. Do we have a Government capable of doing so? It doesn't help when this time last year Johnson openly called for a review of the sugar tax. He wasn't talking about raising it. So in answer to my question, do we have a Government capable of doing so, Do we f**k. Dont disagree Les this has been going on for decades and other than warm words from successive governments not a lot changes. This is a massive cultural issue ,driving to the shops 100 yds away,kids sat all day in front of play stations ,no sports at School etc etc. Unless people change and by and large it's only "pain"that does that any government impact unless drastic will I'm afraid be minimal. Hi Clive Yes absolutely. Covid has crystalised these issues. Suggestion. Health tax on unhealthy foods. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:49:18 GMT
They didn't actually if you listen to what the scientists have said the data was limited and poor quality and quote Chris Witty last week " we advised the Government to lock down once we had the data and they did so within 4 days and with all the Operational challenges that was as quick as they could have done it". And they couldn't look across to Italy to see what was going to happen? So not about data just should have locked down on the 1st February. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:50:40 GMT
And they couldn't look across to Italy to see what was going to happen? So not about data just should have locked down on the 1st February. Why not? It was obvious what was going to happen. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:51:04 GMT
Dont disagree Les this has been going on for decades and other than warm words from successive governments not a lot changes. This is a massive cultural issue ,driving to the shops 100 yds away,kids sat all day in front of play stations ,no sports at School etc etc. Unless people change and by and large it's only "pain"that does that any government impact unless drastic will I'm afraid be minimal. Hi Clive Yes absolutely. Covid has crystalised these issues. Suggestion. Health tax on unhealthy foods. Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:52:20 GMT
So not about data just should have locked down on the 1st February. Why not? It was obvious what was going to happen. Well I was in Northern Italy until the 25th February and very little was happening . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:52:26 GMT
I was referring to the conflicting press release i.e. eat out more, lose weight, lockdown - if you can etc... Fair enough😆 Dont you think that we have had enough information over the years and recently for folk to be sensible and make up their own mind,we complain about everything including being in a nanny state then when advice is issued we moan about that. Covid required a strong response from the state, we got a lame one. There should be no room for messing around when vulnerable people are at threat, which is what the gov did repeatedly. People can moan all they like, extreme measures to prevent 65,000 dead should have been the priority. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2020 12:52:53 GMT
Hi Clive Yes absolutely. Covid has crystalised these issues. Suggestion. Health tax on unhealthy foods. Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? Unhealthy foods or covid? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 27, 2020 12:55:29 GMT
Agree what's your view that this impacts poorer people more than others? Unhealthy foods or covid? Tax on unhealthy foods |
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