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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2022 14:34:54 GMT
Readers are the ones who are being misled, the editorial teams are complicit in the whole charade. Take the Starmer picture. Had that been released at the time it would have been very serious for him, but someone has sat on that for 18 months waiting for an opportune moment and, bingo, it surfaces when Boris is in trouble. Firstly the moral equivalence is dubious and secondly it's clear that it's an attempt at distraction. The politicians and the press are trying to take the electorate as fools. Wasn’t that photo in the Sun newspaper 8 months previous?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2022 14:39:54 GMT
Readers are the ones who are being misled, the editorial teams are complicit in the whole charade. Take the Starmer picture. Had that been released at the time it would have been very serious for him, but someone has sat on that for 18 months waiting for an opportune moment and, bingo, it surfaces when Boris is in trouble. Firstly the moral equivalence is dubious and secondly it's clear that it's an attempt at distraction. The politicians and the press are trying to take the electorate as fools. Wasn’t that photo in the Sun newspaper 8 months previous? Possibly, which makes the recent headlines even more of a crude deflection. Sadly too many are willing to accept it at face value, not realising they are being taken in.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2022 15:41:49 GMT
Good of Sunak to write off 4.3 billion pounds of tax fraud of our money .
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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2022 16:31:39 GMT
Wasn’t that photo in the Sun newspaper 8 months previous? Possibly, which makes the recent headlines even more of a crude deflection. Sadly too many are willing to accept it at face value, not realising they are being taken in. Desperate times . Still some people fall for it as you said . Hi francegas 😬
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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2022 18:10:15 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2022 20:23:29 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2022 20:59:42 GMT
Backed up by Beth Rigby on Sky who says she verified it with another Downing Street source. Priti Patel got short shrift from Yvette Cooper earlier.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2022 21:25:01 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Jan 17, 2022 22:01:57 GMT
Yes, but they've gone up more in proportion here. It seems like you were the only person in the UK who didn't see food shortages, TG. Maybe Trevor stashed a load of food underground at the time I live in London and for weeks I was struggling to buy basic veg and long life items like pasta and rice, I had to go to 4/5 different shops. Don't forget the fuel where I couldn't fill up the car for about 3 weeks at one point... But hey, as FranceGas said - there weren't shortages of pigs in blankets so there couldn't be shortages of anything else all year, right? Gassy the majority of the UK in a poll (which some like to use) agreed that the fuel shortage was not the cause of Brexit or the fault of the government but was caused by the media! And? Didn't a poll in France once say that there were more French who didn't trust vaccines, than those who did? Does that mean vaccines can't be trusted? Whilst I agree that it was certainly driver by the media and the fantastic British panic buying, it is an absolute fact that there was a fuel shortage due to Brexit. When I asked my petrol station near me at the time, they said they hadn't received a delivery in well over a week..
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Post by Gassy on Jan 17, 2022 22:04:42 GMT
No panic buying for fuel now but yes there are still supply problems . Just go into a supermarket here and have a look at the fruit & veg sections. Often you’ll see empty shelves of certain products. How about a different view, we have been spoilt for choice for decades,we want to have multiple product choices whilst half the World is starving ,don't you find that disgusting,perhaps if we had less choice then we wouldn't waste as much and just perhaps there would be more for those who really need it. Sorry I'm a bit late to the discussion here, busy days recently. I have to say, this is a bit of an outrageous comment. We were told things were supposed to improve with Brexit such as quality and selection. Now the opposite has happened, you're trying to paint it as a positive that we have shortages, based on having less waste? Talk about having both sides of the coin TG!
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Post by francegas on Jan 17, 2022 22:17:35 GMT
Gassy the majority of the UK in a poll (which some like to use) agreed that the fuel shortage was not the cause of Brexit or the fault of the government but was caused by the media! And? Didn't a poll in France once say that there were more French who didn't trust vaccines, than those who did? Does that mean vaccines can't be trusted? Whilst I agree that it was certainly driver by the media and the fantastic British panic buying, it is an absolute fact that there was a fuel shortage due to Brexit. When I asked my petrol station near me at the time, they said they hadn't received a delivery in well over a week.. So If it was purely down to Brexit I assume there must still be a shortage because I'm not aware that the UK has rejoined the EU or 1000s of tanker drivers have returned from the EU to deliver the fuel. Deep down you know fully it was down to panic buying and not due to brexit.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 17, 2022 22:34:28 GMT
And? Didn't a poll in France once say that there were more French who didn't trust vaccines, than those who did? Does that mean vaccines can't be trusted? Whilst I agree that it was certainly driver by the media and the fantastic British panic buying, it is an absolute fact that there was a fuel shortage due to Brexit. When I asked my petrol station near me at the time, they said they hadn't received a delivery in well over a week.. So If it was purely down to Brexit I assume there must still be a shortage because I'm not aware that the UK has rejoined the EU or 1000s of tanker drivers have returned from the EU to deliver the fuel. Deep down you know fully it was down to panic buying and not due to brexit. Why, were there shortages across all EU countries then or just UK? I just said above that it was driven by the media and the public. I also didn't say it was 'purely down to Brexit', so are you just arguing and misquoting for the sake of arguing? Like with all shortages, it ended as people/businesses worked out the system and how to improve supply. I'm sure you can understand that shortages don't last forever? Deep down you know Brexit was a huge influencer of the shortages. When Ireland doesn't get shortages but the UK does, why else would that happen? Perhaps they managed to get a lower price as being part of the EU
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Post by axegas on Jan 18, 2022 0:42:44 GMT
And? Didn't a poll in France once say that there were more French who didn't trust vaccines, than those who did? Does that mean vaccines can't be trusted? Whilst I agree that it was certainly driver by the media and the fantastic British panic buying, it is an absolute fact that there was a fuel shortage due to Brexit. When I asked my petrol station near me at the time, they said they hadn't received a delivery in well over a week.. So If it was purely down to Brexit I assume there must still be a shortage because I'm not aware that the UK has rejoined the EU or 1000s of tanker drivers have returned from the EU to deliver the fuel. Deep down you know fully it was down to panic buying and not due to brexit. The UK wouldn’t have worked on easing temporary visa requirements to try and get more lorry drivers in, if it wasn’t a situation directly linked to freedom of movement. You’re right there was panic buying and media overreaction, but that was brought on by the initial driver shortage. Which as Gassy has pointed out no other EU country suffered from. To be honest I think your insistence that blindingly obvious problems caused by Brexit don’t exist, lets your pro Brexit argument down. Brexiteers would be a lot better off admitting some of these things, then coming back with ways that Brexit has actually helped the UK. I’d say that about the remain side as well, as don’t think their line of argument is always perfect either. Honesty is always easier to get behind than futile stubbornness.
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Post by axegas on Jan 18, 2022 0:49:43 GMT
I’d also add, media overreaction can’t be a root cause of something. The media don’t just suddenly wake up one day and say ‘hey let’s drive up the price of baked beans today’. The bake bean manufacturing plant needs to go on strike or something. People don’t just panic buy for no reason either.
Would you agree that toilet roll shortages in the first lockdown were caused by COVID restrictions and then the subsequent media frenzy and panic buying? Fuel shortages are no different to this.
If there is a poll that supports what your saying (a link would be nice) then I’d suggest the people answering have looked at it very superficially and not put a lot of thought into what they’ve answered.
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Post by axegas on Jan 18, 2022 1:03:24 GMT
Wasn’t that photo in the Sun newspaper 8 months previous? Possibly, which makes the recent headlines even more of a crude deflection. Sadly too many are willing to accept it at face value, not realising they are being taken in. Today’s (18th Jan) headline is even worse. British troops sent to Ukraine it says in big capital letters across the front page. Prompting scorn from all sides of the political spectrum. Until you realise that all it is related to is an announcement by the defence secretary that the UK is sending a shipment of limited range, anti tank missiles to be used for defensive purposes by the Ukrainian army. Part of the deal being the deployment of a very very small number of troops to train the Ukrainians to use them, far away from the border and for a short amount of time before getting the hell out of there. Even if my political views perfectly matched the daily mails (which they don’t) I’d be pretty miffed by all the sensationalist click bait they’ve been coming up with recently. I mean who actually enjoys reading something and realising half way through that the title is misleading and the story isn’t as consequential as you originally thought it would be.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 18, 2022 1:23:30 GMT
Possibly, which makes the recent headlines even more of a crude deflection. Sadly too many are willing to accept it at face value, not realising they are being taken in. Today’s (18th Jan) headline is even worse. British troops sent to Ukraine it says in big capital letters across the front page. Prompting scorn from all sides of the political spectrum. Until you realise that all it is related to is an announcement by the defence secretary that the UK is sending a shipment of limited range, anti tank missiles to be used for defensive purposes by the Ukrainian army. Part of the deal being the deployment of a very very small number of troops to train the Ukrainians to use them, far away from the border and for a short amount of time before getting the hell out of there. Even if my political views perfectly matched the daily mails (which they don’t) I’d be pretty miffed by all the sensationalist click bait they’ve been coming up with recently. I mean who actually enjoys reading something and realising half way through that the title is misleading and the story isn’t as consequential as you originally thought it would be. It's the same with the Royal Navy taking over the Channel migrant operation. In practice it's more to do with helping coordination yet the headlines would suggest something far more 'robust'. The Ukraine story is interesting as the C17 flights did not overfly Germany.
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Post by axegas on Jan 18, 2022 1:55:41 GMT
Today’s (18th Jan) headline is even worse. British troops sent to Ukraine it says in big capital letters across the front page. Prompting scorn from all sides of the political spectrum. Until you realise that all it is related to is an announcement by the defence secretary that the UK is sending a shipment of limited range, anti tank missiles to be used for defensive purposes by the Ukrainian army. Part of the deal being the deployment of a very very small number of troops to train the Ukrainians to use them, far away from the border and for a short amount of time before getting the hell out of there. Even if my political views perfectly matched the daily mails (which they don’t) I’d be pretty miffed by all the sensationalist click bait they’ve been coming up with recently. I mean who actually enjoys reading something and realising half way through that the title is misleading and the story isn’t as consequential as you originally thought it would be. It's the same with the Royal Navy taking over the Channel migrant operation. In practice it's more to do with helping coordination yet the headlines would suggest something far more 'robust'. The Ukraine story is interesting as the C17 flights did not overfly Germany. The German foreign minister was in Ukraine at the time, emphasising that Germany would not supply Ukraine with defensive weapons. A German company Rheinmetal is involved in providing state of the art training to Russian forces. Call it vested economic interests or call it historical guilt, but Germany’s foreign policy particularly towards Russia and China is very dubious. www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archiv/archive2016/index~1_1219.php
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Post by oldie on Jan 18, 2022 5:08:57 GMT
Readers are the ones who are being misled, the editorial teams are complicit in the whole charade. Take the Starmer picture. Had that been released at the time it would have been very serious for him, but someone has sat on that for 18 months waiting for an opportune moment and, bingo, it surfaces when Boris is in trouble. Firstly the moral equivalence is dubious and secondly it's clear that it's an attempt at distraction. The politicians and the press are trying to take the electorate as fools. Twas always thus.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 18, 2022 6:04:58 GMT
Possibly, which makes the recent headlines even more of a crude deflection. Sadly too many are willing to accept it at face value, not realising they are being taken in. Today’s (18th Jan) headline is even worse. British troops sent to Ukraine it says in big capital letters across the front page. Prompting scorn from all sides of the political spectrum. Until you realise that all it is related to is an announcement by the defence secretary that the UK is sending a shipment of limited range, anti tank missiles to be used for defensive purposes by the Ukrainian army. Part of the deal being the deployment of a very very small number of troops to train the Ukrainians to use them, far away from the border and for a short amount of time before getting the hell out of there. Even if my political views perfectly matched the daily mails (which they don’t) I’d be pretty miffed by all the sensationalist click bait they’ve been coming up with recently. I mean who actually enjoys reading something and realising half way through that the title is misleading and the story isn’t as consequential as you originally thought it would be. GGMI?
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Post by yattongas on Jan 18, 2022 6:34:23 GMT
And? Didn't a poll in France once say that there were more French who didn't trust vaccines, than those who did? Does that mean vaccines can't be trusted? Whilst I agree that it was certainly driver by the media and the fantastic British panic buying, it is an absolute fact that there was a fuel shortage due to Brexit. When I asked my petrol station near me at the time, they said they hadn't received a delivery in well over a week.. So If it was purely down to Brexit I assume there must still be a shortage because I'm not aware that the UK has rejoined the EU or 1000s of tanker drivers have returned from the EU to deliver the fuel. Deep down you know fully it was down to panic buying and not due to brexit. That thing on the end of your face is most definitely not your nose 🙄
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