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Post by Gassy on Jan 19, 2022 17:25:59 GMT
Christ this government is a joke.
In a desperate attempt to change the headlines last time Boris brought in restrictions on the country.
In such desperation to change it yet again, he’s now removing them and going one further: if you test positive there will be no isolation, go out and spread it.
He is so desperate that he is now going to essentially allow his own citizens to die in order to save his job.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 19, 2022 18:14:19 GMT
No, personally I think it should or MPs just become independent rather than taking the Whip of another party. I think normally if the local party knew that their MP was about to defect, they would vote to deselect him which would trigger a by-election, with the defector having to run again for the other party. However I suspect there's not much appetite among the tories for another crushing by-election defeat that signifies the current mood among the general public. No deselecting only works before a general election in that they wouldn't be able to stand again for reelection for that party. Not that it matters anyway if they're defecting. An MP is elected as an individual, not for the party they represent, and they are entitled to become independent or switch to any party of their choosing so long as they'd have them. By-elections only occur if the MP decides to stand down (in which case they actually have to take an office position which effectively makes them exempt from being an MP) or sadly pass away. Or I guess if they get jailed?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 19, 2022 18:23:20 GMT
Christ this government is a joke. In a desperate attempt to change the headlines last time Boris brought in restrictions on the country. In such desperation to change it yet again, he’s now removing them and going one further: if you test positive there will be no isolation, go out and spread it. He is so desperate that he is now going to essentially allow his own citizens to die in order to save his job. The sycophants will find some way to justify it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 18:49:25 GMT
I think there is a dividing line between Labour and this latest incarnation of the Tory party and how far they’ve lurched to the right in the last few years. Although I definitely wouldn’t vote for a communist party , for the good a British politics I think there should be another party on the far left . With first past the post this obvs would help to hand power to the Tories again . The sooner we get proportional representation the better imo . Id have a Labour Party every single time over this current bunch of bloody loons , Corbyn included ! We have a far right government. The last thing we need is a far left opposition. For the love of God, please just give me a credible centre left party so I can actually start voting again. Oh come on Hugo, you're a bright guy. You had your 'centre left' party in Blair and it was a f*cking disaster... We got a disgusting Tory gov out if it! And you wanna do it again?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 18:52:35 GMT
No. Would you vote for them too? It would be a fun party. Dominic Cummings as the leader 😮 Now you've ruined it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2022 20:25:42 GMT
We have a far right government. The last thing we need is a far left opposition. For the love of God, please just give me a credible centre left party so I can actually start voting again. Oh come on Hugo, you're a bright guy. You had your 'centre left' party in Blair and it was a f*cking disaster... We got a disgusting Tory gov out if it! And you wanna do it again?! Blair was centre right!
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Post by axegas on Jan 19, 2022 21:59:20 GMT
I think normally if the local party knew that their MP was about to defect, they would vote to deselect him which would trigger a by-election, with the defector having to run again for the other party. However I suspect there's not much appetite among the tories for another crushing by-election defeat that signifies the current mood among the general public. No deselecting only works before a general election in that they wouldn't be able to stand again for reelection for that party. Not that it matters anyway if they're defecting. An MP is elected as an individual, not for the party they represent, and they are entitled to become independent or switch to any party of their choosing so long as they'd have them. By-elections only occur if the MP decides to stand down (in which case they actually have to take an office position which effectively makes them exempt from being an MP) or sadly pass away. Or I guess if they get jailed? Thanks for clearing that one up G+E.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 9:05:05 GMT
Oh come on Hugo, you're a bright guy. You had your 'centre left' party in Blair and it was a f*cking disaster... We got a disgusting Tory gov out if it! And you wanna do it again?! Blair was centre right! Liberalism in a nutshell. So you can see why people are opposed to it.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 20, 2022 9:15:40 GMT
Christ this government is a joke. In a desperate attempt to change the headlines last time Boris brought in restrictions on the country. In such desperation to change it yet again, he’s now removing them and going one further: if you test positive there will be no isolation, go out and spread it. He is so desperate that he is now going to essentially allow his own citizens to die in order to save his job. Thing is at what point do we stop. We are getting to (or at) the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated is. Do we isolate to protect those that have chosen not to be vaccinated?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 20, 2022 10:36:46 GMT
Christ this government is a joke. In a desperate attempt to change the headlines last time Boris brought in restrictions on the country. In such desperation to change it yet again, he’s now removing them and going one further: if you test positive there will be no isolation, go out and spread it. He is so desperate that he is now going to essentially allow his own citizens to die in order to save his job. Thing is at what point do we stop. We are getting to (or at) the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated is. Do we isolate to protect those that have chosen not to be vaccinated? I read in the news yesterday about a Czech lady who chose to catch covid so she could be "free" and she sadly died from it.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 20, 2022 10:42:45 GMT
Christ this government is a joke. In a desperate attempt to change the headlines last time Boris brought in restrictions on the country. In such desperation to change it yet again, he’s now removing them and going one further: if you test positive there will be no isolation, go out and spread it. He is so desperate that he is now going to essentially allow his own citizens to die in order to save his job. Thing is at what point do we stop. We are getting to (or at) the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated is. Do we isolate to protect those that have chosen not to be vaccinated? I’m up for easing restrictions, to cancel all isolation after a positive test is madness. What about cancer patients, asthmatics or pregnant women? Even with a vaccination these people are still at risk right now.
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 12:37:42 GMT
Thing is at what point do we stop. We are getting to (or at) the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated is. Do we isolate to protect those that have chosen not to be vaccinated? I’m up for easing restrictions, to cancel all isolation after a positive test is madness. What about cancer patients, asthmatics or pregnant women? Even with a vaccination these people are still at risk right now. Everyone is at risk from something everyday. Shame our NHS has been cut to ribbons else they'd be able to cope.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 20, 2022 12:53:04 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Jan 20, 2022 13:03:42 GMT
Boris is playing a blinder here. It shouldn’t matter whether he was warned or not, he’s turned the conversation over whether his team told him or not - and if he wasn’t warned (or cannot he proved) then it wasn’t his fault. It shouldn’t matter if he was warned or not. He’s the PM, he set the rules and then he broke them.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 13:15:31 GMT
Another day and this vote leave Tory gov are embarrassing the nation again .
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 14:01:09 GMT
Another day and this vote leave Tory gov are embarrassing the nation again . Leave and all that comes with it really has no effect on me and the consequences of it, financially. So sod it, leave the Brexiteers to suffer with their vote.
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Post by oldie on Jan 20, 2022 14:38:46 GMT
Another day and this vote leave Tory gov are embarrassing the nation again . Leave and all that comes with it really has no effect on me and the consequences of it, financially. So sod it, leave the Brexiteers to suffer with their vote. You think?
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Post by oldie on Jan 20, 2022 14:41:44 GMT
Boris is playing a blinder here. It shouldn’t matter whether he was warned or not, he’s turned the conversation over whether his team told him or not - and if he wasn’t warned (or cannot he proved) then it wasn’t his fault. It shouldn’t matter if he was warned or not. He’s the PM, he set the rules and then he broke them. So basically it's "You cannot sack me, I am thick and didn't understand the rules" Really
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 15:15:46 GMT
Another day and this vote leave Tory gov are embarrassing the nation again . Leave and all that comes with it really has no effect on me and the consequences of it, financially. So sod it, leave the Brexiteers to suffer with their vote. Sorry , I don’t understand what your saying here ? It’s probably me being thick….again !
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 15:18:33 GMT
Boris is playing a blinder here. It shouldn’t matter whether he was warned or not, he’s turned the conversation over whether his team told him or not - and if he wasn’t warned (or cannot he proved) then it wasn’t his fault. It shouldn’t matter if he was warned or not. He’s the PM, he set the rules and then he broke them. So basically it's "You cannot sack me, I am thick and didn't understand the rules" Really It’s always somebody else’s fault. He’s gonna have to be dragged out of number 10, he’s not going to go willingly under any circumstances it seems.
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