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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 15:57:34 GMT
Leave and all that comes with it really has no effect on me and the consequences of it, financially. So sod it, leave the Brexiteers to suffer with their vote. Sorry , I don’t understand what your saying here ? It’s probably me being thick….again ! I'm fed up of worrying about the consequences of Brexit for those that voted for it.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 16:04:54 GMT
Sorry , I don’t understand what your saying here ? It’s probably me being thick….again ! I'm fed up of worrying about the consequences of Brexit for those that voted for it. Ah right , get you . Shame it has consequences for those that didn’t vote for it as well.
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Post by axegas on Jan 20, 2022 16:22:05 GMT
When does the MP transfer window close? The Lib Dem squad looks a bit bare bones and could do with a few recruits. So could Sinn Fein, they don’t even show up on a matchday.
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 16:24:44 GMT
I'm fed up of worrying about the consequences of Brexit for those that voted for it. Ah right , get you . Shame it has consequences for those that didn’t vote for it as well. Not for me.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 16:26:37 GMT
Ah right , get you . Shame it has consequences for those that didn’t vote for it as well. Not for me. Alright Jack ?
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Post by baggins on Jan 20, 2022 16:32:23 GMT
Yep. My post doesn't come across as caring for those that voted remain, as I did. Just fed up of worrying about those that voted leave that are now suffering. Does that make sense?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 20, 2022 16:50:31 GMT
Yep. My post doesn't come across as caring for those that voted remain, as I did. Just fed up of worrying about those that voted leave that are now suffering. Does that make sense? I'm completely with you. As far as I'm concerned the damage is done. We are constantly seeing the consequences play out badly for the ones that by and large voted for it and hey, if they didn't heed the warnings, f**k em. They knew what they voted for, sh** the bed, now they have to sleep in it. Our kids will put it right.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 20, 2022 18:51:42 GMT
The damage doesn’t have to be ongoing though forever more….. rejoin the single market and customs Union . We’re going to rejoin bit by bit anyway so we might as well get on with it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 20, 2022 23:37:24 GMT
Times reporting that the Conservative MPs who have been threatened are musing whether to release taped conversations.
In the meantime:
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2022 7:16:58 GMT
Thing is at what point do we stop. We are getting to (or at) the point where anyone who wants to be vaccinated is. Do we isolate to protect those that have chosen not to be vaccinated? I read in the news yesterday about a Czech lady who chose to catch covid so she could be "free" and she sadly died from it. Yep. She believed the antivaxxers and now she's dead. Who's to blame there? Don't expect contrition.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2022 7:23:31 GMT
No doubt. The right 'sackings' with severance deals will have already been agreed and Big Dog will be claiming ignorance and blaming the prearranged scapegoats to worm his way out of this like the maggot he is. Most will see through it but won't be able to do anything about it, Cressida Dick will come out of Boris' pocket to say that the matter is closed to protect her abomination of a career and Francegas will turn up to tell us that Kier Starmer has consumed a Heineken with a Chinese Takeaway that had Barry Gardiners face inside the fortune cookie. Meanwhile, normal plebs like us could be doing so much better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 8:27:59 GMT
Yep. My post doesn't come across as caring for those that voted remain, as I did. Just fed up of worrying about those that voted leave that are now suffering. Does that make sense? I'm completely with you. As far as I'm concerned the damage is done. We are constantly seeing the consequences play out badly for the ones that by and large voted for it and hey, if they didn't heed the warnings, f**k em. They knew what they voted for, sh** the bed, now they have to sleep in it. Our kids will put it right. Have you considered that people may have been influenced to vote a certain way? A huge propaganda effort was rolled out to sway people's opinions on a complex question. It seems everyones still a bit power mad over the brexit vote (the losers and winners), they think they have played a part in this moment of history. Basically my Nan/friends voted leave but I couldn't care less, it doesn't change my opinion of them, but it should start an adult conversation rather than "f*uck you br*xit ba*tard!"
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 21, 2022 8:58:44 GMT
The damage doesn’t have to be ongoing though forever more….. rejoin the single market and customs Union . We’re going to rejoin bit by bit anyway so we might as well get on with it. Should have been the result in the first place, perfect compromise for the pragmatic ones on both sides. In the meantime, Cameron's prediction of WWIII starting after we leave (he didn't, but hey ho!, it's what some wanted to believe he said) look closer than we thought. 😶
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Post by yattongas on Jan 21, 2022 20:23:40 GMT
Rory Stewart….
The writer, a former Conservative cabinet minister, is on the Advisory Board of The Britain Project
Boris Johnson is a terrible prime minister and a worse human being. But he is not a monster newly sprung from a rent between this world and the next. Twenty years have passed since the Conservative party first selected him as a candidate. Michael Howard and David Cameron made him a shadow minister, and Theresa May gave him the Foreign Office. Thirty years of celebrity made him famous for his mendacity, indifference to detail, poor administration, and inveterate betrayal of every personal commitment. Yet, knowing this, the majority of Conservative MPs, and party members, still voted for him to be prime minister. He is not, therefore, an aberration, but a product of a system that will continue to produce terrible politicians long after he is gone.
MPs selected him because they would not risk the possibility of a smaller majority under a better leader. Winning mattered more than governing well. And the public often seems to share this indifference. Dominic Cummings’ seven-hour testimony last year on exactly how bad Johnson had been at exercising power had little effect on his popularity. And his current collapse is not because of his gross mishandling of the Brexit negotiations, or one of the worst combinations of Covid death-rates and economic damage anywhere in the world, but because he went to a party.
Which is why — although British politics is undermined by Johnson’s brutal indifference to constitutional structures or expert judgment — his very presence reveals a more fundamental problem: the narrowness and partisanship of our political parties, and their focus on the permanent campaign. By focusing more on gossip and games against the opposition, than on the detail of running the country, parliament has long turned previously dignified MPs into humiliated automatons.
Even under Cameron, or Gordon Brown, able MPs were regularly overlooked, and some of the most arrogant, unreliable, and poorly informed were promoted. As a minister I was frequently placed in roles for which I had no expertise. When I took responsibility for the air pollution killing tens of thousands, or overcrowded prisons consumed by ever-increasing violence, I found a system that responded not with solutions but with press lines. As soon as I developed an understanding of my brief, I was reshuffled. And I was promoted because of loyalty, not performance. No civil service can compensate for such ineptitude.
We do, of course, need new policies. I am proud to be part of The Britain Project, a cross-party collaboration, making arguments for the independence of the judiciary; for a better and closer relationship with the EU; for respecting the Good Friday Agreement in spirit and letter; and for a Britain confidently and proudly participating in multilateral structures abroad. As Tony Blair observed this week, “there is a gaping hole in the governing of Britain where new ideas should be”.
But to get rid of Johnson and promote new policies is not enough. Existing parties already make many attractive policy claims. But in almost every case what purports to be a solution is simply a restatement of the problem — a description of what we lack, and do not have the resources to do. For instance, aspirations to foster “an open and resilient international order” coincide with cuts to the army, the Foreign Office and international development aid.
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A better British politics will require politicians who take their vocation seriously and govern responsibly and well. This is not impossible: Germany had Angela Merkel. Such figures would be more electable in Britain if they could also be self-aware, irreverent, and comfortable with social media — seriousness should not mean pomposity. But the real barrier they face is the system itself. We are more likely to get better politicians under a different electoral system, which would allow new parties, with different cultures, to establish themselves; and with elected mayors with real revenue-raising powers and responsibilities (which would put the focus on local delivery).
Meanwhile, our culture remains trapped by the idea that politics is a game. We pretend that the politician can wear a deceitful mask before the voters, and then take it off in the cabinet room. But the mask is infected with a virus, which corrodes their minds, souls, and capacity to govern well. Setting a higher standard — of seriousness, respect, critical thought, and concern for detail in governing — requires the rejection of much of our existing political culture. It entails not supporting a figure such as Johnson, simply because he can win. And it means not simply replacing him with someone who appears able to fool another group at the next election. We don’t just deserve better than Johnson; we deserve better than the culture and system that produced him.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 22, 2022 19:51:53 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 22, 2022 23:57:02 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jan 23, 2022 11:36:33 GMT
Even Francegas has given up defending them 😂
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 23, 2022 14:16:05 GMT
Even Francegas has given up defending them 😂 The penny's dropped that we were right all along. 😇 In the meantime, leadership contender,sorry Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss is off to Brussels tomorrow to discuss Russian sanctions. Hope she gets something, as we don't have quite as much ability on that front anymore.
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Post by baggins on Jan 23, 2022 14:23:56 GMT
Even Francegas has given up defending them 😂 The penny's dropped that we were right all along. 😇 In the meantime, leadership contender,sorry Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss is off to Brussels tomorrow to discuss Russian sanctions. Hope she gets something, as we don't have quite as much ability on that front anymore. Do the Russians like cheese?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 23, 2022 14:35:08 GMT
The penny's dropped that we were right all along. 😇 In the meantime, leadership contender,sorry Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss is off to Brussels tomorrow to discuss Russian sanctions. Hope she gets something, as we don't have quite as much ability on that front anymore. ] Do the Russians like cheese? Perhaps, but the Germans like Russian oil and gas.
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