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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 9:50:51 GMT
It likely descends into a point scoring exercise and the topic won't get discussed properly. There are too few posters with a good knowledge of politics to hold the debate.(me included) Seems like the other forum is better for this stuff but again there are only a few posters engaged on it. Pop off over there then or add to the discussion instead of having a mild dig at posters on here 🙄. 😄 hypocrite alert. I've admitted I don't have a good knowledge (relatively speaking) of politics. You've noticed that there are what, 4 contributors to this thread now? I'll leave you to it chap, no worries. Don't get lonely mind 🤣
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 10:00:49 GMT
Pop off over there then or add to the discussion instead of having a mild dig at posters on here 🙄. 😄 hypocrite alert. I've admitted I don't have a good knowledge (relatively speaking) of politics. You've noticed that there are what, 4 contributors to this thread now? I'll leave you to it chap, no worries. Don't get lonely mind 🤣 Laters 🙄
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 10:01:06 GMT
Pop off over there then or add to the discussion instead of having a mild dig at posters on here 🙄. 😄 hypocrite alert. I've admitted I don't have a good knowledge (relatively speaking) of politics. You've noticed that there are what, 4 contributors to this thread now? I'll leave you to it chap, no worries. Don't get lonely mind 🤣 Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not?
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Post by axegas on May 20, 2022 10:13:27 GMT
I don’t think the local elections are that great of a gauge for what the national elections will be like in a few years time. Undoubtedly they show frustration in the two major parties and a resurgence of the Lib Dems which could well be a theme in 2024. However things like low turnout, absence of tactical voting, priority of local issues, stronger independent candidates ect will separate the results from the national vote. Plus the fact that a fair number of urban councils didn’t actually vote as their election cycles are different.
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 10:13:57 GMT
😄 hypocrite alert. I've admitted I don't have a good knowledge (relatively speaking) of politics. You've noticed that there are what, 4 contributors to this thread now? I'll leave you to it chap, no worries. Don't get lonely mind 🤣 Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not? I’m sure 79 is a lovely bloke but denigrating the level of debate then admitting he’s got little to offer ( or doesn’t have the courage of his convictions to post his views) . Forums are dying anyway and sub sections of a tinpot football forums even more so 😀
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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 10:24:51 GMT
😄 hypocrite alert. I've admitted I don't have a good knowledge (relatively speaking) of politics. You've noticed that there are what, 4 contributors to this thread now? I'll leave you to it chap, no worries. Don't get lonely mind 🤣 Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not? Apologies, I just don't have the time or desire to squabble like a child on here. You make good points, usually do tbf, but it's really difficult to maintain a decent discussion on here for various reasons.
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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 10:25:46 GMT
Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not? I’m sure 79 is a lovely bloke but denigrating the level of debate then admitting he’s got little to offer ( or doesn’t have the courage of his convictions to post his views) . Forums are dying anyway and sub sections of a tinpot football forums even more so 😀 Sure. Don't take it too seriously. I don't. Enjoy 👋
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 10:26:48 GMT
Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not? Apologies, I just don't have the time or desire to squabble like a child on here. You make good points, usually do tbf, but it's really difficult to maintain a decent discussion on here for various reasons. Ok Fair enough.
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 17:52:26 GMT
Let's not chuck mud balls at each other. Does anyone require "a good knowledge of politics"? You clearly have an opinion, as we all do. Debate is predicated upon backing that opinion with facts that support it. Otherwise we are just shooting water pistols at each other, are we not? Apologies, I just don't have the time or desire to squabble like a child on here. You make good points, usually do tbf, but it's really difficult to maintain a decent discussion on here for various reasons. Well don’t then , add something rather than complain about the poor content . If I’m you’re problem on here I’ll happily stop posting and you can fill your boots.
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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 18:28:03 GMT
Apologies, I just don't have the time or desire to squabble like a child on here. You make good points, usually do tbf, but it's really difficult to maintain a decent discussion on here for various reasons. Well don’t then , add something rather than complain about the poor content . If I’m you’re problem on here I’ll happily stop posting and you can fill your boots. Yes, sorry Yatton I shouldn't have complained. You are not my problem chap, it's only a message board. I'm happy to get back in my box and leave you guys to it as like you've stated, I don't add anything. Peace out.
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Post by francegas on May 20, 2022 19:55:30 GMT
Well don’t then , add something rather than complain about the poor content . If I’m you’re problem on here I’ll happily stop posting and you can fill your boots. Yes, sorry Yatton I shouldn't have complained. You are not my problem chap, it's only a message board. I'm happy to get back in my box and leave you guys to it as like you've stated, I don't add anything. Peace out. Don't leave 79 otherwise it seems I will be on my own trying to post counter arguments against the lefties!!
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 20:09:40 GMT
Yes, sorry Yatton I shouldn't have complained. You are not my problem chap, it's only a message board. I'm happy to get back in my box and leave you guys to it as like you've stated, I don't add anything. Peace out. Don't leave 79 otherwise it seems I will be on my own trying to post counter arguments against the lefties!! 🤭🤭🤭🤫
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Post by francegas on May 20, 2022 20:12:23 GMT
This thread could make a million pages since there's no compromise. Bojo is obviously a wrong un but the opposition are totally useless. Posters have their preferred political leanings but the MPs are useless. You lot will argue forever. There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer. The way I see it Oldie is no matter what I or anyone from the right (not far right) posts we are just told from the majority we are talking bollox, although no counter argument is made. I've made posts about Starmer, about the lie he and labour have made, which are out there in the public domain and yet I'm still told it's all nonsense without any explanation why. I agree I have been guilty about Whataboutery but is beergate really that when it's current. Of course it isn't. To avoid losing more people on this thread everyone needs to accept everyone regardless of their political stance is entitled to an opinion without prejudice.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 20:40:42 GMT
There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer. The way I see it Oldie is no matter what I or anyone from the right (not far right) posts we are just told from the majority we are talking bollox, although no counter argument is made. I've made posts about Starmer, about the lie he and labour have made, which are out there in the public domain and yet I'm still told it's all nonsense without any explanation why. I agree I have been guilty about Whataboutery but is beergate really that when it's current. Of course it isn't. To avoid losing more people on this thread everyone needs to accept everyone regardless of their political stance is entitled to an opinion without prejudice. Absolutely. But you have to drill down on your statement about Starmer. I am not sure which "lie" you refer to, but if it is about the events around the Hartlepool election, then that is your opinion. At this point the police there have not charged him nor issued a penalty notice. So at this point he is guilty of nothing. So it's just your opinion...which at this point has no grounding in fact.
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 22:24:29 GMT
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 22:43:33 GMT
Wow ! 👏 Just seen this and I agree with every word .
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Post by stuart1974 on May 20, 2022 23:23:52 GMT
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Post by baggins on May 21, 2022 11:56:27 GMT
Downing Street 126 fines for breaking lockdown rules. Labour, 0.
Call it as you see it.
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Post by gashead79 on May 21, 2022 12:00:19 GMT
Downing Street 126 fines for breaking lockdown rules. Labour, 0. Call it as you see it. The crime is getting caught. Hands up if you broke lockdown rules 🤚 Bit of a joke that the people setting the rules have been charged mind! This won't help general behaviour by the public either.
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Post by baggins on May 21, 2022 12:04:47 GMT
Downing Street 126 fines for breaking lockdown rules. Labour, 0. Call it as you see it. The crime is getting caught. Hands up if you broke lockdown rules 🤚 Bit of a joke that the people setting the rules have been charged mind! This won't help general behaviour by the public either. I didn't break the lockdown rules. Neither did any of my family. We suffered along with everyone else, unlike you.
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