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Post by francegas on May 19, 2022 22:35:32 GMT
There’s mileage in this yet….. 😉 He is such a smug entitled w**ker, you just want to confront him and watch him wilt in front of you. In fact the majority of the front bench. It's hard to accept that these people, this absolute bunch of incompetents actually represent us. My god. Have you looked at the opposition front bench recently. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 5:50:19 GMT
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 5:50:36 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 6:02:51 GMT
This thread could make a million pages since there's no compromise. Bojo is obviously a wrong un but the opposition are totally useless. Posters have their preferred political leanings but the MPs are useless. You lot will argue forever. There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer.
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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 6:27:04 GMT
This thread could make a million pages since there's no compromise. Bojo is obviously a wrong un but the opposition are totally useless. Posters have their preferred political leanings but the MPs are useless. You lot will argue forever. There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer. Well it's easy to do that, since it's fuelled by the politicians themselves and the media. Not only that but this has been pretty much the same for ages in politics. The situation has really moved away from justifying policy and onto characters, life choices, personalities etc. There is hardly any talk on here about the issues that these useless officials are supposed to be dealing with, only a tennis match over who has done what wrong most recently. The state of this thread is representative of the state of Parliament. Screen shots of hugely slanted twitter influencers are not valuable either btw although I understand if you are left or right leaning it would be funny and/or reassuring to get a constant stream of material from a person who backs your views. I used to enjoy watching PMQs and the odd session from the house, but now its unbearable without any value on actual politics! If that is a result of Bojo being a clown then I concede that point, but why don't the other leaders take advantage of his weaknesses to drive home their credibility in political strategy, rather than trying to undermine his personality failings?
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 6:58:28 GMT
There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer. Well it's easy to do that, since it's fuelled by the politicians themselves and the media. Not only that but this has been pretty much the same for ages in politics. The situation has really moved away from justifying policy and onto characters, life choices, personalities etc. There is hardly any talk on here about the issues that these useless officials are supposed to be dealing with, only a tennis match over who has done what wrong most recently. The state of this thread is representative of the state of Parliament. Screen shots of hugely slanted twitter influencers are not valuable either btw although I understand if you are left or right leaning it would be funny and/or reassuring to get a constant stream of material from a person who backs your views. I used to enjoy watching PMQs and the odd session from the house, but now its unbearable without any value on actual politics! If that is a result of Bojo being a clown then I concede that point, but why don't the other leaders take advantage of his weaknesses to drive home their credibility in political strategy, rather than trying to undermine his personality failings? Regardless of political instincts I completely agree with you.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 7:04:32 GMT
Well it's easy to do that, since it's fuelled by the politicians themselves and the media. Not only that but this has been pretty much the same for ages in politics. The situation has really moved away from justifying policy and onto characters, life choices, personalities etc. There is hardly any talk on here about the issues that these useless officials are supposed to be dealing with, only a tennis match over who has done what wrong most recently. The state of this thread is representative of the state of Parliament. Screen shots of hugely slanted twitter influencers are not valuable either btw although I understand if you are left or right leaning it would be funny and/or reassuring to get a constant stream of material from a person who backs your views. I used to enjoy watching PMQs and the odd session from the house, but now its unbearable without any value on actual politics! If that is a result of Bojo being a clown then I concede that point, but why don't the other leaders take advantage of his weaknesses to drive home their credibility in political strategy, rather than trying to undermine his personality failings? Regardless of political instincts I completely agree with you. Post edit. So when a policy of a windfall tax was proposed in Parliament to help a short term resolution for the utility cost crisis and rejected by the government, when we have a crisis in our health care provision, a labour shortage disaster...and so on...what happens when some of us point this out and point out the primary causal factors?
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Post by fintanstack on May 20, 2022 7:08:34 GMT
There is a very obvious compromise, easy to reach. Make points based upon the evidence in front of you and conclude on the basis of truth. It's not hard. Sadly what we get when that becomes close is "Whataboutery" Like now. Johnson is caught with his pants down so his support shout what about Starmer. Well it's easy to do that, since it's fuelled by the politicians themselves and the media. Not only that but this has been pretty much the same for ages in politics. The situation has really moved away from justifying policy and onto characters, life choices, personalities etc. There is hardly any talk on here about the issues that these useless officials are supposed to be dealing with, only a tennis match over who has done what wrong most recently. The state of this thread is representative of the state of Parliament. Screen shots of hugely slanted twitter influencers are not valuable either btw although I understand if you are left or right leaning it would be funny and/or reassuring to get a constant stream of material from a person who backs your views. I used to enjoy watching PMQs and the odd session from the house, but now its unbearable without any value on actual politics! If that is a result of Bojo being a clown then I concede that point, but why don't the other leaders take advantage of his weaknesses to drive home their credibility in political strategy, rather than trying to undermine his personality failings? I almost defies logic that the current Government can be so bad and yet the alternative are not much (or any) better.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 7:20:05 GMT
Well it's easy to do that, since it's fuelled by the politicians themselves and the media. Not only that but this has been pretty much the same for ages in politics. The situation has really moved away from justifying policy and onto characters, life choices, personalities etc. There is hardly any talk on here about the issues that these useless officials are supposed to be dealing with, only a tennis match over who has done what wrong most recently. The state of this thread is representative of the state of Parliament. Screen shots of hugely slanted twitter influencers are not valuable either btw although I understand if you are left or right leaning it would be funny and/or reassuring to get a constant stream of material from a person who backs your views. I used to enjoy watching PMQs and the odd session from the house, but now its unbearable without any value on actual politics! If that is a result of Bojo being a clown then I concede that point, but why don't the other leaders take advantage of his weaknesses to drive home their credibility in political strategy, rather than trying to undermine his personality failings? I almost defies logic that the current Government can be so bad and yet the alternative are not much (or any) better. Taking that to a logical point, what is it that drives the conclusion that the opposition are little better than the current government?
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Post by fintanstack on May 20, 2022 7:26:22 GMT
I almost defies logic that the current Government can be so bad and yet the alternative are not much (or any) better. Taking that to a logical point, what is it that drives the conclusion that the opposition are little better than the current government? Gashead 79 has already said many things I agree with. What actual policies or solutions have Labour come up with? Corbyn was clearly a radical lunatic but at least we knew what he stood for. I have no idea what Starmer thinks about anything. Labour are a vacuum of both ideas and personality.
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 7:27:22 GMT
Let’s talk about Woke issues , that’s what this country needs to concentrate on .
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 7:35:18 GMT
Let’s talk about Woke issues , that’s what this country needs to concentrate on . Ha ha. But don't. Let's have a decent discussion.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 7:44:06 GMT
Taking that to a logical point, what is it that drives the conclusion that the opposition are little better than the current government? Gashead 79 has already said many things I agree with. What actual policies or solutions have Labour come up with? Corbyn was clearly a radical lunatic but at least we knew what he stood for. I have no idea what Starmer thinks about anything. Labour are a vacuum of both ideas and personality. Ok, fair enough, but let's just drill down on that. Could we agree that Corbyn almost fatally undermined the credibility of the Labour Party? Faced with that could we agree that it will take time to rebuild that? (Credibility) Could we agree that this will be a difficult task in an environment where the conservatives have won a very large majority on the back of the incompetence of the Corbyn opposition, the promise of Brexit, the promise of large investments in areas of the country which have not benefitted from GDP growth due to globalisation?
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Post by fintanstack on May 20, 2022 7:50:20 GMT
Gashead 79 has already said many things I agree with. What actual policies or solutions have Labour come up with? Corbyn was clearly a radical lunatic but at least we knew what he stood for. I have no idea what Starmer thinks about anything. Labour are a vacuum of both ideas and personality. Ok, fair enough, but let's just drill down on that. Could we agree that Corbyn almost fatally undermined the credibility of the Labour Party? Faced with that could we agree that it will take time to rebuild that? (Credibility) Could we agree that this will be a difficult task in an environment where the conservatives have won a very large majority on the back of the incompetence of the Corbyn opposition, the promise of Brexit, the promise of large investments in areas of the country which have not benefitted from GDP growth due to globalisation? I understand the damage done by Corbyn but Stamer has been in charge a number of years now and is facing probably the weakest and most incompetent Government in our history and has scored zero wins. The Liberal Democrats made more significant progress in the recent elections and they committed suicide under Clegg.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 8:00:16 GMT
Ok, fair enough, but let's just drill down on that. Could we agree that Corbyn almost fatally undermined the credibility of the Labour Party? Faced with that could we agree that it will take time to rebuild that? (Credibility) Could we agree that this will be a difficult task in an environment where the conservatives have won a very large majority on the back of the incompetence of the Corbyn opposition, the promise of Brexit, the promise of large investments in areas of the country which have not benefitted from GDP growth due to globalisation? I understand the damage done by Corbyn but Stamer has been in charge a number of years now and is facing probably the weakest and most incompetent Government in our history and has scored zero wins. The Liberal Democrats made more significant progress in the recent elections and they committed suicide under Clegg. But the environment I quoted, do you accept (regardless of interpretations of Starmer's performance) the position as I portrayed it?
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 8:44:45 GMT
There was a report out this week by Bloomberg I think that showed the Tory’s flagship policy of “levelling up” is a total farce . Nearly all of these places have fallen further behind. Inflation is higher here than the rest of the G7 because we cut of 40% of our food supplies from a market on our doorstep . They boast of unemployment levels being low but this is also a factor in our inflation as we haven’t got the bodies to do the jobs that need doing. The boast that it’s the lowest since 1974 is when we were the poor man of Europe and before the winter of discontent.
Labour won’t call out the elephant in the room that is Brexit , until we rejoin the single market we’ll continue to fall further behind .
We’re heading for a recession and no party is calling out the most obvious cause and it’s a total sh** show but on we plough 🙄
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 8:48:01 GMT
There was a report out this week by Bloomberg I think that showed the Tory’s flagship policy of “levelling up” is a total farce . Nearly all of these places have fallen further behind. Inflation is higher here than the rest of the G7 because we cut of 40% of our food supplies from a market on our doorstep . They boast of unemployment levels being low but this is also a factor in our inflation as we haven’t got the bodies to do the jobs that need doing. The boast that it’s the lowest since 1974 is when we were the poor man of Europe and before the winter of discontent. Labour won’t call out the elephant in the room that is Brexit , until we rejoin the single market we’ll continue to fall further behind . We heading for a recession and no party is calling out the most obvious cause and it’s a total sh** show but on we plough 🙄 Quite But in the context of this little discussion should we not frame the solutions by the policies/proposals of the contesting political entities? Otherwise it becomes "shouty" without conclusion.
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Post by gashead79 on May 20, 2022 9:20:50 GMT
Regardless of political instincts I completely agree with you. Post edit. So when a policy of a windfall tax was proposed in Parliament to help a short term resolution for the utility cost crisis and rejected by the government, when we have a crisis in our health care provision, a labour shortage disaster...and so on...what happens when some of us point this out and point out the primary causal factors? It likely descends into a point scoring exercise and the topic won't get discussed properly. There are too few posters with a good knowledge of politics to hold the debate.(me included) Seems like the other forum is better for this stuff but again there are only a few posters engaged on it.
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Post by yattongas on May 20, 2022 9:35:20 GMT
Post edit. So when a policy of a windfall tax was proposed in Parliament to help a short term resolution for the utility cost crisis and rejected by the government, when we have a crisis in our health care provision, a labour shortage disaster...and so on...what happens when some of us point this out and point out the primary causal factors? It likely descends into a point scoring exercise and the topic won't get discussed properly. There are too few posters with a good knowledge of politics to hold the debate.(me included) Seems like the other forum is better for this stuff but again there are only a few posters engaged on it. Pop off over there then or add to the discussion instead of having a mild dig at posters on here 🙄.
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Post by oldie on May 20, 2022 9:35:41 GMT
Post edit. So when a policy of a windfall tax was proposed in Parliament to help a short term resolution for the utility cost crisis and rejected by the government, when we have a crisis in our health care provision, a labour shortage disaster...and so on...what happens when some of us point this out and point out the primary causal factors? It likely descends into a point scoring exercise and the topic won't get discussed properly. There are too few posters with a good knowledge of politics to hold the debate.(me included) Seems like the other forum is better for this stuff but again there are only a few posters engaged on it. Well, there used to be robust debate with a diversity of views. But ultimately a group went off to the other forum accusing those that held a view and were in agreement of being a cabal. It is that "cabal" that posts, in the main, on here now I disagree with your analysis of the other forum. I re-engaged there on all kinds of topics, but primarily to provide an alternative view of history, economics and counter some incredible racist posts. That has now ground to halt, the only posts now are about the military events in the Ukraine from one poster who has knowledge of the military in our country. My view is, albeit slightly skewed by my own political views, that simplistic populist analysis on any subject always ends up in a cul de sac. Because they can never be justified.
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