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Post by baggins on May 26, 2022 19:04:02 GMT
Does that mean you look like Hugo? Don't be daft. Paul Weller Believe me, Hugo looks NOTHING like Paul Weller.
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Post by baggins on May 26, 2022 19:04:40 GMT
Does that mean you look like Hugo? We are all Hugo 🤓 Heavy price to pay for being a mod.
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Post by yattongas on May 26, 2022 21:44:00 GMT
Rory the (ex) Tory gets it …..
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Post by gashead79 on May 27, 2022 5:14:27 GMT
So why not add some value to the debate rather than a naff screen shot? My point bizarre? It will be if that is what you think it is! "especially when you think the utilisation of plants and animals proves your not wanting to take the Covid vaccine." What does this even mean? The vax is a choice. We have chosen not to take it(like the 100k+ nhs workers that were being blackmailed not long ago) and instead we try to focus on health and diet to reduce some of the associated problems with those who suffer most from covid. According to various stats those are things such as blood pressure and obesity. I really don't understand how much clearer I need to be? The daft link fact checking some nonsense about guaranteeing avoidance of covid, now your criticism of my view is what is bizarre🤷♂️ You don’t like be challenged do you 79 ? It’s not a daft link as it was pertinent to your post and fact checking isn’t nonsense, claiming something that isn’t true to be true is nonsense. Happy to help as always 😃 Being challenged is fine. The challenge needs to be relevant. Like I explained, your fact check link was not aligned to my points. Perhaps you could acknowledge that rather than continually taking the personal line and trying to be smart? It is really tedious. Your link even backed up my points so it was pretty poorly thought through, if at all.
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Post by gashead79 on May 27, 2022 5:38:46 GMT
So why not add some value to the debate rather than a naff screen shot? My point bizarre? It will be if that is what you think it is! "especially when you think the utilisation of plants and animals proves your not wanting to take the Covid vaccine." What does this even mean? The vax is a choice. We have chosen not to take it(like the 100k+ nhs workers that were being blackmailed not long ago) and instead we try to focus on health and diet to reduce some of the associated problems with those who suffer most from covid. According to various stats those are things such as blood pressure and obesity. I really don't understand how much clearer I need to be? The daft link fact checking some nonsense about guaranteeing avoidance of covid, now your criticism of my view is what is bizarre🤷♂️ Because neither you or I have the qualifications to debate science. You chose not to take the vaccine - fine. But are you aware that a ‘healthy’ life style makes your immune system stronger against pretty much everything - but you’ve decided to take your other vaccinations. So the reality is, you don’t trust the vaccine/the science of the vaccine. Regarding the animals and plants - you brought it up, not me. So please do explain the reasoning behind the argument as it makes absolutely no sense to me or I suspect anyone on here. I was actually replying to Oldies comment about doubting science with something I’d seen on social media the other day, then you start harping on about plants and animals or something. The only thing I’ve criticised is you criticising science, which you have no real authority to do. This is just the classic 'dont ask questions' pitch. You are right though, I do not trust the vaccine. The science of the vaccine..this statement is odd to me tbh. There are a few conflicting views amongst scientists on many topics including covid. Experts have been wheeled out at various stages of this whole thing with their updates and viewpoints. The goalposts have changed significantly since the start. There are too many bits of information available for me to trust the science on this vax but the shutdown argument isn't appreciated. I've taken many of the routinely offered vaccines and travel necessary ones, yes. Probably more than most due to my job. Animals and Plants. I was pointing out that we don't always need to rush to the pharmacy to get meds when there is an option to get the ingredients naturally. As I am generally sceptical of pills and painkillers etc(due to the side effects and long worded ingredients)I usually look at the ingredients to see if I can get the same effects from foods etc. That's all but I see you try to get the gang onside, fine. Apologies if your post was not for me but the thread was in response to my earlier points.. Authorised to criticise science? Again, that's just a classic shutdown and accept strategy. We all have the authority to criticise, challenge and look for alternative ways. That really is science! Comparing our situation with other nations challenges the 'experts'. The moving goalposts seeds doubt. The commercial and media activity on the whole sorry saga raises suspicion. I understand that people like me get called names-selfish and conspiracy theorists and suchlike. That's only by the people who have followed the script. There are many people around the world with alternative views to this away from the mainstream one. Even the NHS doctor who took an axe to Sajid live on TV 😲 lol, there we all were believing what we we told! BTW, I may have mentioned it previously, but 2 of my family were redeployed from frontline nhs(both worked throughout in respiratory wards) due to refusing the jab. Then the govt back pedalled! Shame really as the nhs needs those staff.(slight tangent but adds some real life exp to this I hope)
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 5:39:50 GMT
You don’t like be challenged do you 79 ? It’s not a daft link as it was pertinent to your post and fact checking isn’t nonsense, claiming something that isn’t true to be true is nonsense. Happy to help as always 😃 Being challenged is fine. The challenge needs to be relevant. Like I explained, your fact check link was not aligned to my points. Perhaps you could acknowledge that rather than continually taking the personal line and trying to be smart? It is really tedious. Your link even backed up my points so it was pretty poorly thought through, if at all. “I prefer a different approach to this virus focusing on diet, fitness and supplements. It's worked so far.” Those were your words . The link I posted just pointed out this approach doesn’t work in preventing catching covid . Im sorry I must be thick (as you infer) as I didn’t understand you.
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Post by gashead79 on May 27, 2022 5:46:20 GMT
Being challenged is fine. The challenge needs to be relevant. Like I explained, your fact check link was not aligned to my points. Perhaps you could acknowledge that rather than continually taking the personal line and trying to be smart? It is really tedious. Your link even backed up my points so it was pretty poorly thought through, if at all. “I prefer a different approach to this virus focusing on diet, fitness and supplements. It's worked so far.” Those were your words . The link I posted just pointed out this approach doesn’t work in preventing catching covid . Im sorry I must be thick (as you infer) as I didn’t understand you. Thanks. So the fact check you posted was in reference to some online content that guarantees against contracting covid. I did not say that. I even went on to explain that choice was related to the common other complications that the covid sufferers(admittance that we can catch it) often have-obesity, high blood pressure. The link even backed up my points ref immune system etc. "Worked so far" how can that be twisted? It just smacks of desperation to get 1 up Yatton. Come off it mate, it's just a forum.
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 5:48:36 GMT
“I prefer a different approach to this virus focusing on diet, fitness and supplements. It's worked so far.” Those were your words . The link I posted just pointed out this approach doesn’t work in preventing catching covid . Im sorry I must be thick (as you infer) as I didn’t understand you. Thanks. So the fact check you posted was in reference to some online content that guarantees against contracting covid. I did not say that. I even went on to explain that choice was related to the common other complications that the covid sufferers(admittance that we can catch it) often have-obesity, high blood pressure. The link even backed up my points ref immune system etc. "Worked so far" how can that be twisted? It just smacks of desperation to get 1 up Yatton. Come off it mate, it's just a forum. I’m just not as intelligent as you. I’m sorry 😣.
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Post by fintanstack on May 27, 2022 7:31:11 GMT
Thanks. So the fact check you posted was in reference to some online content that guarantees against contracting covid. I did not say that. I even went on to explain that choice was related to the common other complications that the covid sufferers(admittance that we can catch it) often have-obesity, high blood pressure. The link even backed up my points ref immune system etc. "Worked so far" how can that be twisted? It just smacks of desperation to get 1 up Yatton. Come off it mate, it's just a forum. I’m just not as intelligent as you. I’m sorry 😣. Gashead79 is not suggesting that diet and lifestyle prevents, treats or cures Covid19. He is suggesting that it *may* be effective in reducing the liklihood of catching and therefore transmitting it. All the science and health advice suggests a healthy lifestyle is a proven method for fighting disease or lessening its impact. Furthermore, many medicines are rooted in plant based science. They will be synthetically produced now but it is not that crazy to think that some medicines can be replaced by natural means. It seems that on here that the only part of a post that gets read is the posters username. What they have actually written seems to be less important.
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 7:54:27 GMT
I’m just not as intelligent as you. I’m sorry 😣. Gashead79 is not suggesting that diet and lifestyle prevents, treats or cures Covid19. He is suggesting that it *may* be effective in reducing the liklihood of catching and therefore transmitting it. All the science and health advice suggests a healthy lifestyle is a proven method for fighting disease or lessening its impact. Furthermore, many medicines are rooted in plant based science. They will be synthetically produced now but it is not that crazy to think that some medicines can be replaced by natural means. It seems that on here that the only part of a post that gets read is the posters username. What they have actually written seems to be less important. Eating chocolate buttons *may* be effective in not catching it as well .
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Post by fintanstack on May 27, 2022 8:04:21 GMT
Gashead79 is not suggesting that diet and lifestyle prevents, treats or cures Covid19. He is suggesting that it *may* be effective in reducing the liklihood of catching and therefore transmitting it. All the science and health advice suggests a healthy lifestyle is a proven method for fighting disease or lessening its impact. Furthermore, many medicines are rooted in plant based science. They will be synthetically produced now but it is not that crazy to think that some medicines can be replaced by natural means. It seems that on here that the only part of a post that gets read is the posters username. What they have actually written seems to be less important. Eating chocolate buttons *may* be effective in not catching it as well . What a pathetic and childish response.
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 8:31:40 GMT
Eating chocolate buttons *may* be effective in not catching it as well . What a pathetic and childish response. You are entitled to your opinion 😀
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Post by oldie on May 27, 2022 10:46:20 GMT
I think we have gone this full circle on the debate over Covid 19 vaccines, in all their various guises. I do think it is the right of every human being to choose whether or not they accept a vaccine, or indeed any treatment.
But with that comes responsibility. If the latest, most current, scientific knowledge or evidence informs us that a certain course of action will, on balance of probability, have this or that outcome then it is our individual responsibility to recognise that and act accordingly. In the full knowledge that evidence may come to light which may or may not add /detract on current guidance. But we can only act upon what we know at any given time.
So when Covid vaccines came into play there evolved in arguable evidence that the vaccines diluted the severity of the disease but most importantly suppressed infection and therefore transmission.
There is very strong evidence that a lifestyle (choices) that led to obesity and Type 2 diabetes was a huge co-morbidity factor which led to negative outcomes. But that has roots, (the behaviour) elsewhere.
What is factually true is in the latter stages of this pandemic those who became critically ill were, in the majority, unvaccinated.
These people, perhaps through choice, occupied critical NHS capacity badly needed by others, because of their choice.
That's pure, self indulgent selfishness.
Additionally, by becoming infected and ill they risked infecting others, perhaps even causing their death.
That's pure selfishness born of arrogance based upon the belief that they know better.
So yes, each individual has the right to make their choices, but they don't have the right to cause negative outcomes for others. So, no vaccine, no air travel. No rail travel, no gathering in enclosed spaces. And you pay for any NHS treatment required if you have not taken the option to protect yourself effectively.
It's pretty straightforward really, you make your choices and pay the price.
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 10:52:32 GMT
I think we have gone this full circle on the debate over Covid 19 vaccines, in all their various guises. I do think it is the right of every human being to choose whether or not they accept a vaccine, or indeed any treatment. But with that comes responsibility. If the latest, most current, scientific knowledge or evidence informs us that a certain course of action will, on balance of probability, have this or that outcome then it is our individual responsibility to recognise that and act accordingly. In the full knowledge that evidence may come to light which may or may not add /detract on current guidance. But we can only act upon what we know at any given time. So when Covid vaccines came into play there evolved in arguable evidence that the vaccines diluted the severity of the disease but most importantly suppressed infection and therefore transmission. There is very strong evidence that a lifestyle (choices) that led to obesity and Type 2 diabetes was a huge co-morbidity factor which led to negative outcomes. But that has roots, (the behaviour) elsewhere. What is factually true is in the latter stages of this pandemic those who became critically ill were, in the majority, unvaccinated. These people, perhaps through choice, occupied critical NHS capacity badly needed by others, because of their choice. That's pure, self indulgent selfishness. Additionally, by becoming infected and ill they risked infecting others, perhaps even causing their death. That's pure selfishness born of arrogance based upon the belief that they know better. So yes, each individual has the right to make their choices, but they don't have the right to cause negative outcomes for others. So, no vaccine, no air travel. No rail travel, no gathering in enclosed spaces. And you pay for any NHS treatment required if you have not taken the option to protect yourself effectively. It's pretty straightforward really, you make your choices and pay the price. Well said Oldie . Selfishness is precisely what it is . That’s just the long winded way of me saying…. 🙄!
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Post by trevorgas on May 27, 2022 12:34:01 GMT
I think we have gone this full circle on the debate over Covid 19 vaccines, in all their various guises. I do think it is the right of every human being to choose whether or not they accept a vaccine, or indeed any treatment. But with that comes responsibility. If the latest, most current, scientific knowledge or evidence informs us that a certain course of action will, on balance of probability, have this or that outcome then it is our individual responsibility to recognise that and act accordingly. In the full knowledge that evidence may come to light which may or may not add /detract on current guidance. But we can only act upon what we know at any given time. So when Covid vaccines came into play there evolved in arguable evidence that the vaccines diluted the severity of the disease but most importantly suppressed infection and therefore transmission. There is very strong evidence that a lifestyle (choices) that led to obesity and Type 2 diabetes was a huge co-morbidity factor which led to negative outcomes. But that has roots, (the behaviour) elsewhere. What is factually true is in the latter stages of this pandemic those who became critically ill were, in the majority, unvaccinated. These people, perhaps through choice, occupied critical NHS capacity badly needed by others, because of their choice. That's pure, self indulgent selfishness. Additionally, by becoming infected and ill they risked infecting others, perhaps even causing their death. That's pure selfishness born of arrogance based upon the belief that they know better. So yes, each individual has the right to make their choices, but they don't have the right to cause negative outcomes for others. So, no vaccine, no air travel. No rail travel, no gathering in enclosed spaces. And you pay for any NHS treatment required if you have not taken the option to protect yourself effectively. It's pretty straightforward really, you make your choices and pay the price. Absolutely well said
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2022 14:16:24 GMT
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Post by francegas on May 27, 2022 14:31:04 GMT
Wonder what Blair thinks of this.
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Post by oldie on May 27, 2022 14:49:41 GMT
Wonder what Blair thinks of this. Or Disraeli...🤫
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2022 14:53:57 GMT
Wonder what Blair thinks of this. It's wrong that any prime Minster can administer the rules on conduct as they see fit and It's about time for a proper rule book and that is administered and upheld by some other office than the PM
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Post by yattongas on May 27, 2022 15:14:40 GMT
Wonder what Blair thinks of this. It's wrong that any prime Minster can administer the rules on conduct as they see fit and It's about time for a proper rule book and that is administered and upheld by some other office than the PM My good friend francegas and myself both liking the same post ! 😮
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