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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 3, 2022 16:54:19 GMT
The Tory party have now decided that booing should now ne known as cheering .. Probably thought he was hearing "booze" rather than "boos" and said to himself "Yep, party time." 😃
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Post by yattongas on Jun 3, 2022 17:24:59 GMT
The Tory party have now decided that booing should now ne known as cheering .. Probably thought he was hearing "booze" rather than "boos" and said to himself "Yep, party time." 😃 Or was booooooo ris booooooo ris ? 🤔
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Post by oldie on Jun 3, 2022 20:56:03 GMT
Ah well
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Post by aghast on Jun 3, 2022 22:28:46 GMT
I wonder how long Boris will go on? He only wanted the job because he felt it was his destiny, as an Old Etonian, and thought it would be a bit of a hoot.
Covid and lockdown were a bit awks, but it didn't stop him having parties whenever he felt like it, and he managed to escape that by ensuring the reports were delayed so long nobody cared any more. He's been there, done that, and now the plebs have the cheek to boo him! Bloody working class oiks.
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 4, 2022 7:40:23 GMT
Then, you guys elaborate please since its a trodden path? If you read the Brexit thread which covered when we had the referendum and the period afterwards, you would see a tendency from even the most ardent Brexit supporters to ignore specific questions which drilled down on the consequences or just respond with a general 'it will be fine, don't worry'. The idea that there are 'reasons' for the lack of obvious benefits and increase in post Brexit problems gives the government a free pass from scrutiny. I'm guessing that's what Oldie is getting at. Could you explain what you meant in your earlier post? Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it.
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 4, 2022 7:42:37 GMT
Sorry oldie, I was just putting an answer to your question. I wish you were GH79. But what you stated was a regurgitation of the same tired, discredited, reasons we heard 6 years ago. Well yeah. Those were the benefits that you asked for right? Borders and Trade amendments. There's a whole pledge document somewhere online outlining the benefits of brexit that we were pitched.
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 4, 2022 7:45:20 GMT
You didn't notice the first 4 words of my reply? Like I stated, and what is clear, is that there have been many distractions and hurdles. I am hopeful that over time it improves as we all should be. If this thread is just to take the p155 out of the UKs difficulties over brexit, that's fine btw. You guys can no doubt rumble this on until we all pass away! The children will just grow up knowing little difference whilst those who were around, continue to talk about how things once were, a bit like my own grandparents did about pre war Britain, etc etc. yatton. Once again, thanks for your valued contribution. I guess that's what people who voted for brexit would say to the likes of yourself, as they can't be ar5ed to waste time talking about it with you? The majority of N Somerset voted leave so I do feel your pain, sorry if you get sniggered at by your neighbours. I could also post palpable nonsense but you’re doing so well by yourself. What matters is now and every region thinks Brexit has failed. Things won’t get better until we rejoin the single market and customs union . We told you this before the vote . It’s a matter of time , we just have to get the clowns out and convince the thick as mince that self harm isn’t a good idea . We’ve got our work cut out with the latter 🙄 We, we, we? Thick as mince, clowns, nonsense. Good luck on your quest to rejoin the single market. Sure that will take a few hours and be exactly the same deal that we left.
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2022 8:03:36 GMT
I wish you were GH79. But what you stated was a regurgitation of the same tired, discredited, reasons we heard 6 years ago. Well yeah. Those were the benefits that you asked for right? Borders and Trade amendments. There's a whole pledge document somewhere online outlining the benefits of brexit that we were pitched. No GH79 State the actual benefits that have accrued. Your stance is akin to booking a holiday to California but when you open your eyes you realise you are in Southend. So, just for once, a little bit of detail on the benefits that have actually accrued. Please.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 4, 2022 8:44:48 GMT
If you read the Brexit thread which covered when we had the referendum and the period afterwards, you would see a tendency from even the most ardent Brexit supporters to ignore specific questions which drilled down on the consequences or just respond with a general 'it will be fine, don't worry'. The idea that there are 'reasons' for the lack of obvious benefits and increase in post Brexit problems gives the government a free pass from scrutiny. I'm guessing that's what Oldie is getting at. Could you explain what you meant in your earlier post? Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. The falling for comment was regarding your point and that in reality these trade deals are either a continuation of the existing, EU negotiated, deals such as that with Switzerland or minor tweeks like Japan. The latter is actually a net gain for Japan not us. Australia is new but very little else and along with talks with the US and the TPP, are things we could have had anyway. Doesn't make up for the losses, not by a long way. Similar with immigration, we had total control over non EU citizens but still didn't make use of it. We also had the opportunity to put a temporary break on EU free movement but again chose not to implement it. Not only that, but we've lost the EU agreements on immigration. Funny how the Channel crossings have suddenly occurred. France's attitude hasn't helped but the big difference is that the mechanisms are no longer there. The barriers the EU are supposed to be putting up to be awkward is another myth, all pointed out pre referendum and due to the Single Market rules which we wrote. Using your analogy, it's more like your neighbours (remainers) saying don't bother building a pond in your garden, the ground is made of sand and will collapse in on itself. You are better off sharing the one in the park, after all you helped design, build and fund it. Yet you still carried on because the local builder who wants your house has told you that you can buy a children's bucket and spade to dig it out with. By all means vote leave and be happy, but if you did so because of trade deals and immigration then you have fallen for a big lie from the liars in chief currently sitting in government. My kids will be poorer than our generation and miss out on our opportunities squandered by smooth talking salesmen using existing fears and myths to gain power.
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Post by oldie on Jun 4, 2022 8:48:08 GMT
Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. The falling for comment was regarding your point and that in reality these trade deals are either a continuation of the existing, EU negotiated, deals such as that with Switzerland or minor tweeks like Japan. The latter is actually a net gain for Japan not us. Australia is new but very little else and along with talks with the US and the TPP, are things we could have had anyway. Doesn't make up for the losses, not by a long way. Similar with immigration, we had total control over non EU citizens but still didn't make use of it. We also had the opportunity to put a temporary break on EU free movement but again chose not to implement it. Not only that, but we've lost the EU agreements on immigration. Funny how the Channel crossings have suddenly occurred. France's attitude hasn't helped but the big difference is that the mechanisms are no longer there. The barriers the EU are supposed to be putting up to be awkward is another myth, all pointed out pre referendum and due to the Single Market rules which we wrote. Using your analogy, it's more like your neighbours (remainers) saying don't bother building a pond in your garden, the ground is made of sand and will collapse in on itself. You are better off sharing the one in the park, after all you helped design, build and fund it. Yet you still carried on because the local builder who wants your house has told you that you can buy a children's bucket and spade to dig it out with. By all means vote leave and be happy, but if you did so because of trade deals and immigration then you have fallen for a big lie from the liars in chief currently sitting I'm government. My kids will be poorer than our generation and miss out on our opportunities squandered by smooth talking salesmen using existing fears and myths to gain power. Well said Stuart. I admire your patience.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 4, 2022 9:28:47 GMT
The falling for comment was regarding your point and that in reality these trade deals are either a continuation of the existing, EU negotiated, deals such as that with Switzerland or minor tweeks like Japan. The latter is actually a net gain for Japan not us. Australia is new but very little else and along with talks with the US and the TPP, are things we could have had anyway. Doesn't make up for the losses, not by a long way. Similar with immigration, we had total control over non EU citizens but still didn't make use of it. We also had the opportunity to put a temporary break on EU free movement but again chose not to implement it. Not only that, but we've lost the EU agreements on immigration. Funny how the Channel crossings have suddenly occurred. France's attitude hasn't helped but the big difference is that the mechanisms are no longer there. The barriers the EU are supposed to be putting up to be awkward is another myth, all pointed out pre referendum and due to the Single Market rules which we wrote. Using your analogy, it's more like your neighbours (remainers) saying don't bother building a pond in your garden, the ground is made of sand and will collapse in on itself. You are better off sharing the one in the park, after all you helped design, build and fund it. Yet you still carried on because the local builder who wants your house has told you that you can buy a children's bucket and spade to dig it out with. By all means vote leave and be happy, but if you did so because of trade deals and immigration then you have fallen for a big lie from the liars in chief currently sitting I'm government. My kids will be poorer than our generation and miss out on our opportunities squandered by smooth talking salesmen using existing fears and myths to gain power. Well said Stuart. I admire your patience. I forgot to add that Australia are getting easier immigration rules (both ways but age restrictions apply to us) and India are after similar. No doubt others will be wanting concessions in return for deals. #Take back control. 🙄
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Post by yattongas on Jun 4, 2022 9:57:11 GMT
If you read the Brexit thread which covered when we had the referendum and the period afterwards, you would see a tendency from even the most ardent Brexit supporters to ignore specific questions which drilled down on the consequences or just respond with a general 'it will be fine, don't worry'. The idea that there are 'reasons' for the lack of obvious benefits and increase in post Brexit problems gives the government a free pass from scrutiny. I'm guessing that's what Oldie is getting at. Could you explain what you meant in your earlier post? Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. I’ve read some nonsense in my time but this is taking things to new levels ! 😂🤣
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 4, 2022 12:02:26 GMT
Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. I’ve read some nonsense in my time but this is taking things to new levels ! 😂🤣 Oh I don't know, the EU wanting to conscript our children is definitely up there. 😆
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 5, 2022 13:54:19 GMT
Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. The falling for comment was regarding your point and that in reality these trade deals are either a continuation of the existing, EU negotiated, deals such as that with Switzerland or minor tweeks like Japan. The latter is actually a net gain for Japan not us. Australia is new but very little else and along with talks with the US and the TPP, are things we could have had anyway. Doesn't make up for the losses, not by a long way. Similar with immigration, we had total control over non EU citizens but still didn't make use of it. We also had the opportunity to put a temporary break on EU free movement but again chose not to implement it. Not only that, but we've lost the EU agreements on immigration. Funny how the Channel crossings have suddenly occurred. France's attitude hasn't helped but the big difference is that the mechanisms are no longer there. The barriers the EU are supposed to be putting up to be awkward is another myth, all pointed out pre referendum and due to the Single Market rules which we wrote. Using your analogy, it's more like your neighbours (remainers) saying don't bother building a pond in your garden, the ground is made of sand and will collapse in on itself. You are better off sharing the one in the park, after all you helped design, build and fund it. Yet you still carried on because the local builder who wants your house has told you that you can buy a children's bucket and spade to dig it out with. By all means vote leave and be happy, but if you did so because of trade deals and immigration then you have fallen for a big lie from the liars in chief currently sitting in government. My kids will be poorer than our generation and miss out on our opportunities squandered by smooth talking salesmen using existing fears and myths to gain power. Thanks Stuart good post. Your last 2 paragraphs though.. The liars in government throughout brexit have been both sides of the House since pre 2016. If your kids will be poorer, that's up to you as my kids will be better off than I was for sure.
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 5, 2022 13:56:36 GMT
Thanks, I probably don't need to read it then? My post speaks for itself surely? Plus it was only a snap response to your one liner about "falling for..." You mention specific questions. I know it's a cop out but this Brexit thing is virginial. For all the work done by various short term appointments in offices, for all the barriers put up by the EU after article 50, for all the opposition and delay tactics at every turn, it is bound to be arduous. It's a remainers dream really. I admit that much. Imagine trying to dig the perfect pond in your posh back garden in your expensive Yatton cottage. Each morning you come out and find the neighbours have either flytipped in it, a freak wind has blown your weeping willow over, or the rabbits have burrowed around it. All good reasons to give up, but no. You must defy those distractions and make good that that you promised your family. Brexit will be fine, our kids and grandkids will be fine, and we won't be the last nation to squabble over it. I’ve read some nonsense in my time but this is taking things to new levels ! 😂🤣 You probably have read some nonsense judging by your twitter posts. Any value to add or just another emoji? Please tap me on the shoulder at a game and I'll buy you a pint btw. 😉 I look right wing and wear a Boris t-shirt.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 5, 2022 13:58:25 GMT
I’ve read some nonsense in my time but this is taking things to new levels ! 😂🤣 You probably have read some nonsense judging by your twitter posts. Any value to add or just another emoji? Please tap me on the shoulder at a game and I'll buy you a pint btw. 😉 I look right wing and wear a Boris t-shirt. 🍻
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 5, 2022 14:05:13 GMT
You probably have read some nonsense judging by your twitter posts. Any value to add or just another emoji? Please tap me on the shoulder at a game and I'll buy you a pint btw. 😉 I look right wing and wear a Boris t-shirt. 🍻 🤣
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 5, 2022 18:03:46 GMT
The falling for comment was regarding your point and that in reality these trade deals are either a continuation of the existing, EU negotiated, deals such as that with Switzerland or minor tweeks like Japan. The latter is actually a net gain for Japan not us. Australia is new but very little else and along with talks with the US and the TPP, are things we could have had anyway. Doesn't make up for the losses, not by a long way. Similar with immigration, we had total control over non EU citizens but still didn't make use of it. We also had the opportunity to put a temporary break on EU free movement but again chose not to implement it. Not only that, but we've lost the EU agreements on immigration. Funny how the Channel crossings have suddenly occurred. France's attitude hasn't helped but the big difference is that the mechanisms are no longer there. The barriers the EU are supposed to be putting up to be awkward is another myth, all pointed out pre referendum and due to the Single Market rules which we wrote. Using your analogy, it's more like your neighbours (remainers) saying don't bother building a pond in your garden, the ground is made of sand and will collapse in on itself. You are better off sharing the one in the park, after all you helped design, build and fund it. Yet you still carried on because the local builder who wants your house has told you that you can buy a children's bucket and spade to dig it out with. By all means vote leave and be happy, but if you did so because of trade deals and immigration then you have fallen for a big lie from the liars in chief currently sitting in government. My kids will be poorer than our generation and miss out on our opportunities squandered by smooth talking salesmen using existing fears and myths to gain power. Thanks Stuart good post. Your last 2 paragraphs though.. The liars in government throughout brexit have been both sides of the House since pre 2016. If your kids will be poorer, that's up to you as my kids will be better off than I was for sure. Liars perhaps and I would say that Project Fear was counter productive and may even have swung it. That said, it was up to the Leave campaign to make good the promises, they have not lived up to those. With regards to being poorer, I'm not just talking financial and in a more generic term. For example, look at our creative industries, our musicians and actors used to travel all round Europe making a living. They can't do that now without completing applications for each country.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 5, 2022 18:07:35 GMT
Could be an interesting week, plenty of gossip to suggest the threshold of 15% will be reached soon. There is already a counter narrative to say wait until the by elections.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 7:07:36 GMT
Vote of no confidence today 😮
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