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Post by oldie on Jun 15, 2022 18:18:34 GMT
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Post by baggins on Jun 15, 2022 19:06:53 GMT
He had an ethics advisor? đ€Ł
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2022 8:48:06 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 16, 2022 10:05:22 GMT
There is a pattern emerging here, surely alarm bells too somewhere?
"William Wragg, the chair of the committee Lord Geidt appeared before earlier this week, asked Mr Ellis if the appointment of a new adviser would be faster than the five month wait after Mr Johnson's last ethics chief stepped down.Â
Mr Wragg, who is a Conservative but a vocal critic of Mr Johnson, added: "I rarely channel my inner Lady Bracknell and say - for the prime minister to lose one adviser of ministers' interests may be regarded as misfortune,
"But to lose two looks like foolishness."
Lord Geidt's predecessor, Sir Alex Allan, resigned in 2020 after the prime minister backed Home Secretary Priti Patel when Sir Alex published his inquiry into bullying allegations against Ms Patel."
Courtesy of Sky News.
Incidentally, the resignation letter will be published shortly. Redacted? đ
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Post by peterparker on Jun 16, 2022 10:49:30 GMT
Dear Prime Minister,
I appeared before the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee in Parliament yesterday. I was glad for the opportunity to give an account of the recent changes to the Ministerial Code, to the Terms of Reference of the Independent Adviser, and to the support for the office of the Independent Adviser.
I was asked at length about my recent Annual Report. I alluded to my frustration, as made clear in my Preface, that you had not made any public reference to your own conduct under the Ministerial Code in the period since inquiries were underway. This would be especially important in the event that the Metropolitan Police found against you, which they did, and/or that Sue Gray's report included criticism of behaviour within the scope of the Ministerial Code, which it did.
Your letter in response to my Annual Report was welcome. It addressed the absence of comment by you about your obligations under that Ministerial Code up until that point. You explained that, by paying a Fixed Term Penalty, you had not breached the Ministerial Code. The letter did not, however, address specifically the criticism in Sue Gray's report about your adherence to the Nolan Principles (on leadership, in particular). Neither did the letter make mention that, despite being repeatedly questioned in the House of Commons about your obligations under the Ministerial Code (after paying a Fixed Penalty Notice), your responses again made no reference to it.
I reported to the Select Committee yesterday that I was satisfied that you had responded to my Annual Report to explain your position. I am disappointed, however, that the account you gave was not fuller, as noted above. Moreover, I regret the reference to 'miscommunication' between our offices, with the implication that I was somehow responsible for you not being fully aware of my concerns. These inconsistencies and deficiencies notwithstanding, I believed that it was possible to continue credibly as Independent Adviser, albeit by a very small margin.
This week, however, I was tasked to offer a view about the Government's intention to consider measures which risk a deliberate and purposeful breach of the Ministerial Code. This request has placed me in an impossible and odious position. My informal response on Monday was that you and any other Minister should justify openly your position vis-Ă -vis the Code in such circumstances. However, the idea that a Prime Minister might to any degree be in the business of deliberately breaching his own Code is an affront. A deliberate breach, or even an intention to do so, would be to suspend the provisions of the Code to suit a political end. This would make a mockery not only of respect for the Code but licence the suspension of its provisions in governing the conduct of Her Majesty's Ministers. I can have no part in this.
Because of my obligation as a witness in Parliament, this is the first opportunity I have had to act on the Government's intentions. I therefore resign from this appointment with immediate effect.
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Post by oldie on Jun 16, 2022 11:02:50 GMT
Dear Prime Minister, I appeared before the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee in Parliament yesterday. I was glad for the opportunity to give an account of the recent changes to the Ministerial Code, to the Terms of Reference of the Independent Adviser, and to the support for the office of the Independent Adviser. I was asked at length about my recent Annual Report. I alluded to my frustration, as made clear in my Preface, that you had not made any public reference to your own conduct under the Ministerial Code in the period since inquiries were underway. This would be especially important in the event that the Metropolitan Police found against you, which they did, and/or that Sue Gray's report included criticism of behaviour within the scope of the Ministerial Code, which it did. Your letter in response to my Annual Report was welcome. It addressed the absence of comment by you about your obligations under that Ministerial Code up until that point. You explained that, by paying a Fixed Term Penalty, you had not breached the Ministerial Code. The letter did not, however, address specifically the criticism in Sue Gray's report about your adherence to the Nolan Principles (on leadership, in particular). Neither did the letter make mention that, despite being repeatedly questioned in the House of Commons about your obligations under the Ministerial Code (after paying a Fixed Penalty Notice), your responses again made no reference to it. I reported to the Select Committee yesterday that I was satisfied that you had responded to my Annual Report to explain your position. I am disappointed, however, that the account you gave was not fuller, as noted above. Moreover, I regret the reference to 'miscommunication' between our offices, with the implication that I was somehow responsible for you not being fully aware of my concerns. These inconsistencies and deficiencies notwithstanding, I believed that it was possible to continue credibly as Independent Adviser, albeit by a very small margin. This week, however, I was tasked to offer a view about the Government's intention to consider measures which risk a deliberate and purposeful breach of the Ministerial Code. This request has placed me in an impossible and odious position. My informal response on Monday was that you and any other Minister should justify openly your position vis-Ă -vis the Code in such circumstances. However, the idea that a Prime Minister might to any degree be in the business of deliberately breaching his own Code is an affront. A deliberate breach, or even an intention to do so, would be to suspend the provisions of the Code to suit a political end. This would make a mockery not only of respect for the Code but licence the suspension of its provisions in governing the conduct of Her Majesty's Ministers. I can have no part in this. Because of my obligation as a witness in Parliament, this is the first opportunity I have had to act on the Government's intentions. I therefore resign from this appointment with immediate effect. Just wow
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 16, 2022 11:41:31 GMT
Ouch! Shame this didn't happen before the vote of confidence.
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Post by oldie on Jun 16, 2022 11:59:17 GMT
Ouch! Shame this didn't happen before the vote of confidence. Indeed. Any decent party would ditch him
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 16, 2022 12:46:29 GMT
Ouch! Shame this didn't happen before the vote of confidence. Indeed. Any decent party would ditch him It'll be spun as being solely about steel tariffs and nothing else, rather than the last straw. You know, those WTO rules Boris was happy to accept if we had a no deal, sorry Australian style deal, Brexit. Seems BJ doesn't like EU rules, ECHR rules, ministerial codes, UK rules, international agreements, the Good Friday Agreement/NI Protocol, even marriage vows. Yet so many are willing to stand up for him and defend this.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2022 13:01:08 GMT
Kier Starmer drunk a đș !
What about that you lefty liberals ? đ
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 16, 2022 14:19:00 GMT
Is this an attempt to distance themselves?
"This afternoon, the TRA said: "We have been made aware of the prime ministerâs letter to Lord Geidt today.
"The TRA case to which the letter appears to refer was 'called in' by the government earlier this year, meaning that the government holds full decision-making authority in relation to the case.
"The TRA has carried out analysis under the government's direction and we provided a report of findings to the secretary of state for international trade [Anne-Marie Trevelyan] on 1 June.Â
"The report of findings is an analytical piece of work designed to inform Government decision-making and does not contain recommendations from the TRA."
It is understood the case relates to potentially increasing the length of time that tariffs apply to certain steel imports."
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Post by francegas on Jun 16, 2022 16:08:11 GMT
Just a question to "Sir" Keir (and to all you lefty loons) Do you or do you not support the forthcoming rail strikes?
"Sir" Keir seems incapable of answering the question?, so was wondering what your thoughts were.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
Just a question to "Sir" Keir (and to all you lefty loons) Do you or do you not support the forthcoming rail strikes? "Sir" Keir seems incapable of answering the question?, so was wondering what your thoughts were. Yep I 100% support them . Why wouldnât anyone support workers wanting a pay increase that at least kept up with inflation ? Or do you think they and other sectors ( plenty of strike votes coming up ) should accept a real terms cut in wages ?
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Post by francegas on Jun 16, 2022 16:30:42 GMT
Just a question to "Sir" Keir (and to all you lefty loons) Do you or do you not support the forthcoming rail strikes? "Sir" Keir seems incapable of answering the question?, so was wondering what your thoughts were. Yep I 100% support them . Why wouldnât anyone support workers wanting a pay increase that at least kept up with inflation ? Or do you think they and other sectors ( plenty of strike votes coming up ) should accept a real terms cut in wages ? So in effect you would support the entire banking industry, teachers, police, nurses, doctors, fire officers, etc etc etc going on strike because they want a pay increase too. Bearing in mind the average pay of a train driver is more than a nurse who may just be saving your life in hospital. I'm sure everyone wants a pay rise but unable to strike in order to get it.
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 16, 2022 16:33:29 GMT
Just a question to "Sir" Keir (and to all you lefty loons) Do you or do you not support the forthcoming rail strikes? "Sir" Keir seems incapable of answering the question?, so was wondering what your thoughts were. Yep I 100% support them . Why wouldnât anyone support workers wanting a pay increase that at least kept up with inflation ? Or do you think they and other sectors ( plenty of strike votes coming up ) should accept a real terms cut in wages ? Anyone know what pay increase politicians gave themselves?
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Post by francegas on Jun 16, 2022 16:40:00 GMT
Yep I 100% support them . Why wouldnât anyone support workers wanting a pay increase that at least kept up with inflation ? Or do you think they and other sectors ( plenty of strike votes coming up ) should accept a real terms cut in wages ? Anyone know what pay increase politicians gave themselves? I think you'll find politicians don't give themselves a pay rise it's the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority who sets their pay.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2022 16:45:08 GMT
Yep I 100% support them . Why wouldnât anyone support workers wanting a pay increase that at least kept up with inflation ? Or do you think they and other sectors ( plenty of strike votes coming up ) should accept a real terms cut in wages ? So in effect you would support the entire banking industry, teachers, police, nurses, doctors, fire officers, etc etc etc going on strike because they want a pay increase too. Bearing in mind the average pay of a train driver is more than a nurse who may just be saving your life in hospital. I'm sure everyone wants a pay rise but unable to strike in order to get it. Itâs not the train drivers going on strike is it ? Thatâs a different union . Yep letâs all go out ! Whereâs my pitchfork ?
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Post by francegas on Jun 16, 2022 16:55:59 GMT
So in effect you would support the entire banking industry, teachers, police, nurses, doctors, fire officers, etc etc etc going on strike because they want a pay increase too. Bearing in mind the average pay of a train driver is more than a nurse who may just be saving your life in hospital. I'm sure everyone wants a pay rise but unable to strike in order to get it. Itâs not the train drivers going on strike is it ? Thatâs a different union . Yep letâs all go out ! Whereâs my pitchfork ? Well I haven't seen Aslef up in arms that their workers are unstable to work due to the actions of RMT members. Are you sure no train drivers are to go on strike?
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2022 17:04:50 GMT
Itâs not the train drivers going on strike is it ? Thatâs a different union . Yep letâs all go out ! Whereâs my pitchfork ? Well I haven't seen Aslef up in arms that their workers are unstable to work due to the actions of RMT members. Are you sure no train drivers are to go on strike? Dunno , go have a looky on the internet đ
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Post by francegas on Jun 16, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
Well I haven't seen Aslef up in arms that their workers are unstable to work due to the actions of RMT members. Are you sure no train drivers are to go on strike? Dunno , go have a looky on the internet đ www.bbc.com/news/business-61743927
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