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Post by baggins on Aug 21, 2020 12:00:53 GMT
National debt hit 2 Trillion for the first time . Usually public services are cut to pay off the debt, going to be interesting as there is only the NHS left! Not for long. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 12:19:18 GMT
Usually public services are cut to pay off the debt, going to be interesting as there is only the NHS left! Not for long. Yeah the NHS will disappear with little fuss it seems, was a good thing whilst it lasted. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 21, 2020 12:27:02 GMT
Yeah the NHS will disappear with little fuss it seems, was a good thing whilst it lasted. And soon only the rich will have the money to have health insurance. Just like the US. Great huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 12:39:11 GMT
Yeah the NHS will disappear with little fuss it seems, was a good thing whilst it lasted. And soon only the rich will have the money to have health insurance. Just like the US. Great huh? Well... At least we can always fall back on to one of those council estates that get lambasted on here (couldn't resist 😉). |
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Post by baggins on Aug 21, 2020 12:55:37 GMT
And soon only the rich will have the money to have health insurance. Just like the US. Great huh? Well... At least we can always fall back on to one of those council estates that get lambasted on here (couldn't resist 😉). How dare you, I was born on a Council Estate. |
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Post by blueridge on Aug 21, 2020 13:45:22 GMT
National debt hit 2 Trillion for the first time . Usually public services are cut to pay off the debt, going to be interesting as there is only the NHS left! Not totally true - just rob the Private Pension Funds - that could raise another £100 billion - or is it already gone? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 13:52:59 GMT
Usually public services are cut to pay off the debt, going to be interesting as there is only the NHS left! Not totally true - just rob the Private Pension Funds - that could raise another £100 billion - or is it already gone? Hmmm like that went well before. The lower classes are going to getting screwed no matter what. Just because that's the way it is. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 21, 2020 14:17:38 GMT
Usually public services are cut to pay off the debt, going to be interesting as there is only the NHS left! Not totally true - just rob the Private Pension Funds - that could raise another £100 billion - or is it already gone? Have you accounted for the State Pension? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 15:01:30 GMT
Well... At least we can always fall back on to one of those council estates that get lambasted on here (couldn't resist 😉). How dare you, I was born on a Council Estate. Ah, i usually assume anyone anyone dunking on council estates is punching down. My bad. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 25, 2020 22:28:18 GMT
Can't see it myself but who knows. www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/dominic-cummings-father-in-law-boris-johnson-will-resign-february-2020-8%3fampThe father-in-law of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's closest aide has reportedly said Johnson plans to stand down in six months because of lingering health problems caused by the novel coronavirus. The Times of London's Diary column reported a conversation between Humphry Wakefield, the father of Dominic Cummings' wife, Mary, and a woman named Anna Silverman last week in which he is said to have told her that Johnson would resign early next year because of the lasting effects of his time in intensive care. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 5:50:40 GMT
 When the mask slips off of one of the govs chief propaganda merchants. Brain worm take from Neil, but sums up conservative cheerleader logic. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 26, 2020 6:22:32 GMT
When the mask slips off of one of the govs chief propaganda merchants. Brain worm take from Neil, but sums up conservative cheerleader logic. He's not a government propaganda merchant, far from it. What he tweeted is true, the West Africa squadron intercepted many ships and played a major part in reducing the Slave Trade. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 7:20:53 GMT
When the mask slips off of one of the govs chief propaganda merchants. Brain worm take from Neil, but sums up conservative cheerleader logic. He's not a government propaganda merchant, far from it. What he tweeted is true, the West Africa squadron intercepted many ships and played a major part in reducing the Slave Trade. Former editor of the spectator, he is a conservative & displays no nuance, as shown in his tweet which oddly attempts to give some kind credit to the facilitators of the slave trade. It's a strange comment from him attempting to reduce the actual abolition. Which is classic conservative discourse. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 26, 2020 8:17:28 GMT
He's not a government propaganda merchant, far from it. What he tweeted is true, the West Africa squadron intercepted many ships and played a major part in reducing the Slave Trade. Former editor of the spectator, he is a conservative & displays no nuance, as shown in his tweet which oddly attempts to give some kind credit to the facilitators of the slave trade. It's a strange comment from him attempting to reduce the actual abolition. Which is classic conservative discourse. The Royal Navy were instrumental in its decline, that is a fact. What he posted was true. He may be Conservative leaning but is professional in his interviews, you'll recall Boris refused to do one with him before the last election. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 9:03:02 GMT
Former editor of the spectator, he is a conservative & displays no nuance, as shown in his tweet which oddly attempts to give some kind credit to the facilitators of the slave trade. It's a strange comment from him attempting to reduce the actual abolition. Which is classic conservative discourse. The Royal Navy were instrumental in its decline, that is a fact. What he posted was true. He may be Conservative leaning but is professional in his interviews, you'll recall Boris refused to do one with him before the last election. Ah, I'm portraying the wider issue. UK was an imperial superpower back then, the navy built on the back of colonisation & slavery (same as France & Spain), Neil is basically saying that without slavery we wouldn't have been able to physically stop slavery, so it's contradictory. Abolition was a people movement, only initiated by the state after unrest and activism. UK continued to profit from slavery, and the money paid to the slavers in compensation is what fueled the industrial revolution. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 26, 2020 9:16:35 GMT
The Royal Navy were instrumental in its decline, that is a fact. What he posted was true. He may be Conservative leaning but is professional in his interviews, you'll recall Boris refused to do one with him before the last election. Ah, I'm portraying the wider issue. UK was an imperial superpower back then, the navy built on the back of colonisation & slavery (same as France & Spain), Neil is basically saying that without slavery we wouldn't have been able to physically stop slavery, so it's contradictory. Abolition was a people movement, only initiated by the state after unrest and activism. UK continued to profit from slavery, and the money paid to the slavers in compensation is what fueled the industrial revolution. Perhaps, but I read your initial post as disagreeing with AN, I understand the points in this post but that wasn't what you first wrote. The once the UK abolished the Slave Trade it went out to undermine it, even getting other nations to sign up, particularly in the Congress of Vienna after the Napoleonic War. The navy at the time was very mixed, including many freed slaves. I understand wanting to be pro abolitioners, but always worth crediting others as it adds to the message |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:05:41 GMT
Ah, I'm portraying the wider issue. UK was an imperial superpower back then, the navy built on the back of colonisation & slavery (same as France & Spain), Neil is basically saying that without slavery we wouldn't have been able to physically stop slavery, so it's contradictory. Abolition was a people movement, only initiated by the state after unrest and activism. UK continued to profit from slavery, and the money paid to the slavers in compensation is what fueled the industrial revolution. Perhaps, but I read your initial post as disagreeing with AN, I understand the points in this post but that wasn't what you first wrote. The once the UK abolished the Slave Trade it went out to undermine it, even getting other nations to sign up, particularly in the Congress of Vienna after the Napoleonic War. The navy at the time was very mixed, including many freed slaves. I understand wanting to be pro abolitioners, but always worth crediting others as it adds to the message Neil was an editor for a conservative publication and probably has vast media experience, so he's not going to post outright lies is he? He's well trained to publish from a conservative stand point. My objection is he's selectively using a small aspect of the slavery abolition to try & justify some larger issue here, which is odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:28:46 GMT
Perhaps, but I read your initial post as disagreeing with AN, I understand the points in this post but that wasn't what you first wrote. The once the UK abolished the Slave Trade it went out to undermine it, even getting other nations to sign up, particularly in the Congress of Vienna after the Napoleonic War. The navy at the time was very mixed, including many freed slaves. I understand wanting to be pro abolitioners, but always worth crediting others as it adds to the message Neil was an editor for a conservative publication and probably has vast media experience, so he's not going to post outright lies is he? He's well trained to publish from a conservative stand point. My objection is he's selectively using a small aspect of the slavery abolition to try & justify some larger issue here, which is odd. It's a nuance which dilutes from the main point, which is that this country enriched itself hugely on the trade of and the utilisation of the slavery of other human beings. That's all that needs to be taught and considered when analysing our political and economic history. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 11:08:29 GMT
Neil was an editor for a conservative publication and probably has vast media experience, so he's not going to post outright lies is he? He's well trained to publish from a conservative stand point. My objection is he's selectively using a small aspect of the slavery abolition to try & justify some larger issue here, which is odd. It's a nuance which dilutes from the main point, which is that this country enriched itself hugely on the trade of and the utilisation of the slavery of other human beings. That's all that needs to be taught and considered when analysing our political and economic history. Exactly. It's funny how the conservatives often cry that history cant be rewritten, then selectively chose to believe whatever they want to anyway if it suits their agenda. Would be nice to get a balanced view but most people are simply incapable of it. I'm all for discussion and debate, but more often than not, especially online, you get an opening argument and then the debate is closed off. It's closed off because the person who welds the power (more followers etc) doesn't really want debate, only to get their narrative across then close the door to replies. It's mad really. |
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