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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 14:31:37 GMT
No Next in order would be John Major, followed by Ted Heath and then Alec Douglas - Home. All Tories, funny that. No surprise there Oldie. Mine would be Blair, Brown and Callaghan. All Labour, funny that. 🙄 |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 17, 2022 14:36:24 GMT
Blair was in my top 3 alongside Thatcher and Boris. Not Brown?? Thatcher ruined this country probably forever, Blair was a war criminal and Boris a self serving liar. There have been good and bad on both sides but no one tops those three. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 14:37:13 GMT
No Next in order would be John Major, followed by Ted Heath and then Alec Douglas - Home. All Tories, funny that. John Major.... you mean the PM that oversaw the longest period of economic growth in the UK, who abolished the poll tax and instigated the peace process in Northern Ireland...yeah right 🙄 |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 14:56:20 GMT
Thatcher ruined this country probably forever, Blair was a war criminal and Boris a self serving liar. There have been good and bad on both sides but no one tops those three. Agree with you about Blair and Boris but not about Maggie. Since Maggie new countries have been formed, the Berlin wall toppled and Germany unified etc. If you seriously believe Thatcher has ruined the country forever it just shows how water poor the UK is whether it be under Labour or the Tories in its ability to turn things round. I can't understand how the country has been ruined forever. To me that's a way over exaggeration. Oh and I agree with the first line of your last paragraph. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 15:15:04 GMT
No Next in order would be John Major, followed by Ted Heath and then Alec Douglas - Home. All Tories, funny that. John Major.... you mean the PM that oversaw the longest period of economic growth in the UK, who abolished the poll tax and instigated the peace process in Northern Ireland...yeah right 🙄 Think you’ll find that was during Labour's ten years in office – the longest uninterrupted period of growth in 200 years. |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 17, 2022 15:48:49 GMT
Thatcher ruined this country probably forever, Blair was a war criminal and Boris a self serving liar. There have been good and bad on both sides but no one tops those three. Agree with you about Blair and Boris but not about Maggie. Since Maggie new countries have been formed, the Berlin wall toppled and Germany unified etc. If you seriously believe Thatcher has ruined the country forever it just shows how water poor the UK is whether it be under Labour or the Tories in its ability to turn things round. I can't understand how the country has been ruined forever. To me that's a way over exaggeration. Oh and I agree with the first line of your last paragraph. One word. Privatisation. That is how Thatcher ruined this country forever. We used to have gas, oil, coal, cheap public transport, British Airways, British Rail. The Tories would try to sell off the NHS too if they thought they could get away with it. Already it is next to impossible to see a doctor or a dentist and waiting lists already at a high so they are working on it. And for what? Tax cuts for the rich. Thatcher was scum. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2022 16:08:30 GMT
Agree with you about Blair and Boris but not about Maggie. Since Maggie new countries have been formed, the Berlin wall toppled and Germany unified etc. If you seriously believe Thatcher has ruined the country forever it just shows how water poor the UK is whether it be under Labour or the Tories in its ability to turn things round. I can't understand how the country has been ruined forever. To me that's a way over exaggeration. Oh and I agree with the first line of your last paragraph. One word. Privatisation. That is how Thatcher ruined this country forever. We used to have gas, oil, coal, cheap public transport, British Airways, British Rail. The Tories would try to sell off the NHS too if they thought they could get away with it. Already it is next to impossible to see a doctor or a dentist and waiting lists already at a high so they are working on it. And for what? Tax cuts for the rich. Thatcher was scum. Will be an interesting response to that. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 17, 2022 16:13:19 GMT
What did he do that was good for London . Water cannons or was it the cable car or the garden bridge he built ? Reduced murder rates, reduced knife crime, outbuilt Labour with affordable homes, cut road deaths by over 40%, made london a far wealthier city than when he took over, boris bikes (if that is so bad why hasn't Khan got rid of them, got rid of londons bendy buses which caused many accidents to cyclists, re introduced route master buses to name but a few. Oh and it was Khan who scrapped the garden bridge not Boris. So yes overall I think he was successful as mayor of London Boris didn't do anything as London Mayor except continue on with the policies and successes achieved by Ken Livingstone. Like him or not, Livingstone was a revelation as Mayor. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 16:30:50 GMT
Agree with you about Blair and Boris but not about Maggie. Since Maggie new countries have been formed, the Berlin wall toppled and Germany unified etc. If you seriously believe Thatcher has ruined the country forever it just shows how water poor the UK is whether it be under Labour or the Tories in its ability to turn things round. I can't understand how the country has been ruined forever. To me that's a way over exaggeration. Oh and I agree with the first line of your last paragraph. One word. Privatisation. That is how Thatcher ruined this country forever. We used to have gas, oil, coal, cheap public transport, British Airways, British Rail. The Tories would try to sell off the NHS too if they thought they could get away with it. Already it is next to impossible to see a doctor or a dentist and waiting lists already at a high so they are working on it. And for what? Tax cuts for the rich. Thatcher was scum. Remember when we were told privatisation and the subsequent competition would drive down prices ? good times 😃 |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 16:31:55 GMT
Reduced murder rates, reduced knife crime, outbuilt Labour with affordable homes, cut road deaths by over 40%, made london a far wealthier city than when he took over, boris bikes (if that is so bad why hasn't Khan got rid of them, got rid of londons bendy buses which caused many accidents to cyclists, re introduced route master buses to name but a few. Oh and it was Khan who scrapped the garden bridge not Boris. So yes overall I think he was successful as mayor of London Boris didn't do anything as London Mayor except continue on with the policies and successes achieved by Ken Livingstone. Like him or not, Livingstone was a revelation as Mayor. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 16:56:16 GMT
Agree with you about Blair and Boris but not about Maggie. Since Maggie new countries have been formed, the Berlin wall toppled and Germany unified etc. If you seriously believe Thatcher has ruined the country forever it just shows how water poor the UK is whether it be under Labour or the Tories in its ability to turn things round. I can't understand how the country has been ruined forever. To me that's a way over exaggeration. Oh and I agree with the first line of your last paragraph. One word. Privatisation. That is how Thatcher ruined this country forever. We used to have gas, oil, coal, cheap public transport, British Airways, British Rail. The Tories would try to sell off the NHS too if they thought they could get away with it. Already it is next to impossible to see a doctor or a dentist and waiting lists already at a high so they are working on it. And for what? Tax cuts for the rich. Thatcher was scum. Just a question.... if you owned loss making businesses what would you do with them. Carry on making loss after loss or get rid? British Rail rarely if ever made a profit. British Airways has been a total success since privatisation. The miners strike was because of closure of the least profitable pits (or should I say those that made the most losses). Do you really want to live in a communist state owned country. I didn't see any of those companies being renationalised under 13 years of Labour. |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 17, 2022 17:04:16 GMT
Wait so enjoying the benefits of a nationalised rail and airline makes a country communist?
What an extreme comment
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 17, 2022 17:10:48 GMT
One word. Privatisation. That is how Thatcher ruined this country forever. We used to have gas, oil, coal, cheap public transport, British Airways, British Rail. The Tories would try to sell off the NHS too if they thought they could get away with it. Already it is next to impossible to see a doctor or a dentist and waiting lists already at a high so they are working on it. And for what? Tax cuts for the rich. Thatcher was scum. Just a question.... if you owned loss making businesses what would you do with them. Carry on making loss after loss or get rid? British Rail rarely if ever made a profit. British Airways has been a total success since privatisation. The miners strike was because of closure of the least profitable pits (or should I say those that made the most losses). Do you really want to live in a communist state owned country. I didn't see any of those companies being renationalised under 13 years of Labour. Make a loss or get rid? Or run them better? |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 17:17:46 GMT
Wait so enjoying the benefits of a nationalised rail and airline makes a country communist? What an extreme comment So you were happy for your taxes to continue funding loss making businesses. |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 17:19:29 GMT
Just a question.... if you owned loss making businesses what would you do with them. Carry on making loss after loss or get rid? British Rail rarely if ever made a profit. British Airways has been a total success since privatisation. The miners strike was because of closure of the least profitable pits (or should I say those that made the most losses). Do you really want to live in a communist state owned country. I didn't see any of those companies being renationalised under 13 years of Labour. Make a loss or get rid? Or run them better? Try telling that to the unions. More pits closed under the previous labour government than by Thatcher! |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 17:22:22 GMT
Wait so enjoying the benefits of a nationalised rail and airline makes a country communist? What an extreme comment So you were happy for your taxes to continue funding loss making businesses. Have you seen the train prices here compared to most of Europe? 😮 |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 17, 2022 17:25:57 GMT
Wait so enjoying the benefits of a nationalised rail and airline makes a country communist? What an extreme comment So you were happy for your taxes to continue funding loss making businesses. Depends on whether the benefit outweighs the problem. How much would it have made to my tax per year? £5? How much does it cost to me per flight being privatised? It’s also very narrow minded to look at a business not making profit and say “sell it”. It’s now making profit as you say, so in reality it tells you the government was poor at business. Remind me which party it was ruling at the time? Do you think having any service nationalised makes that a communist country then? |
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Post by francegas on Jul 17, 2022 17:42:05 GMT
So you were happy for your taxes to continue funding loss making businesses. Have you seen the train prices here compared to most of Europe? 😮 Can only compare with France as I have no idea about other countries. In 2019 state owned SNCF posted a €800 million loss. Not sure of 2020 but an improved 2021 showed a net loss €185 million. I can get cheap rail tickets to Paris providing I book exactly 3 months to the day in advance otherwise it's very expensive. Who generally knows they will travel to a specific city 3 months in advance?. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 17, 2022 17:48:24 GMT
Have you seen the train prices here compared to most of Europe? 😮 Can only compare with France as I have no idea about other countries. In 2019 state owned SNCF posted a €800 million loss. Not sure of 2020 but an improved 2021 showed a net loss €185 million. I can get cheap rail tickets to Paris providing I book exactly 3 months to the day in advance otherwise it's very expensive. Who generally knows they will travel to a specific city 3 months in advance?. So using your stated logic, the French government should close their railway system, surely? |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 17, 2022 17:49:56 GMT
Make a loss or get rid? Or run them better? Try telling that to the unions. More pits closed under the previous labour government than by Thatcher! Again you’re distorting things . Labour closed small pits that had reached their limits to concentrate on larger pits that had a future . Thatcher closed viable pits. |
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