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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2022 16:03:50 GMT
"Liz Truss has taken over from Rishi Sunak as the bookies' favourite to succeed Boris Johnson.
Penny Mordaunt - previously the favourite before Mr Sunak jumped ahead following strong live TV debates - is now trailing in at third, according to betting odds by Ladbrokes.
It comes after Ms Truss narrowed the gap on Mr Sunak and Ms Mordaunt in the fourth ballot of Tory MPs, gaining an extra 15 votes."
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Post by francegas on Jul 19, 2022 16:13:07 GMT
Unless you're Oldie. He won't vote for his local MP if he thinks he is useless despite representing the party he would want to see form a new government. Odd one that ! Nor would I. Why would anyone vote for an incompetent fool just because they like the party they are from? Other than Francegas obviously. So you would vote for the tory candidate because he wasn't an incompetent fool even though you wouldn't want a tory government. Right got it. Let's hope all the labour candidates are viewed as incompetent fools in the next general election then. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 19, 2022 16:48:37 GMT
Nor would I. Why would anyone vote for an incompetent fool just because they like the party they are from? Other than Francegas obviously. So you would vote for the tory candidate because he wasn't an incompetent fool even though you wouldn't want a tory government. Right got it. Let's hope all the labour candidates are viewed as incompetent fools in the next general election then. Without doubt the worst gov in any of our lifetimes by a country mile and you’ve got the bloody cheek to worry about a possible Labour gov ?! Give your head a wobble France 🙄 |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 19, 2022 18:30:05 GMT
Nor would I. Why would anyone vote for an incompetent fool just because they like the party they are from? Other than Francegas obviously. So you would vote for the tory candidate because he wasn't an incompetent fool even though you wouldn't want a tory government. Right got it. Let's hope all the labour candidates are viewed as incompetent fools in the next general election then. No I would vote Labour, independent, Lib Dem or spoil my ballot and have done all of the above. My point is, again, you do not HAVE to vote for an idiot just because you like the colour of their rosette. |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 19, 2022 21:33:07 GMT
So you would vote for the tory candidate because he wasn't an incompetent fool even though you wouldn't want a tory government. Right got it. Let's hope all the labour candidates are viewed as incompetent fools in the next general election then. No I would vote Labour, independent, Lib Dem or spoil my ballot and have done all of the above. My point is, again, you do not HAVE to vote for an idiot just because you like the colour of their rosette. And that is why we will always lose. Tory voters are like cults that no matter what they’ll vote Tory and blame Labour. Maybe we should do the same to actually stand a chance? |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 19, 2022 21:34:23 GMT
It should go to GE. I believe it always should when a PM resigns/fired/forced to quit. And yes, before FG asks - the same should have happened when Blair went. The thing is though at a General Election no one is voting for the Prime Minister (well, except those living in their constituency but even then they are not voting them into that job)... ...there's been too many General Elections for the wrong reasons since 1997 and half the time they've been too early or not needed Technically they’re not, but we all know that generally speaking we’re voting for the PM/party rather than your local constituent |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 19, 2022 21:45:29 GMT
No I would vote Labour, independent, Lib Dem or spoil my ballot and have done all of the above. My point is, again, you do not HAVE to vote for an idiot just because you like the colour of their rosette. And that is why we will always lose. Tory voters are like cults that no matter what they’ll vote Tory and blame Labour. Maybe we should do the same to actually stand a chance? It reminds of the ‘never Starmer ‘ mob . Claim to be left wing but unless it’s Corbyn or another on the left of the Labour Party they’d rather not vote . Cretins 🙄 |
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Post by oldie on Jul 19, 2022 22:35:40 GMT
True in theory but in reality we vote for the MP whose party affiliations will mean its leader will form the next government. With regards to elections, most PMs will call an election when they feel they will stand a better chance to win, it's one power Cameron gave up with the now rescinded Fix Terms Parliament Act. Unless you're Oldie. He won't vote for his local MP if he thinks he is useless despite representing the party he would want to see form a new government. Odd one that ! What? Who? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 20, 2022 7:48:44 GMT
No I would vote Labour, independent, Lib Dem or spoil my ballot and have done all of the above. My point is, again, you do not HAVE to vote for an idiot just because you like the colour of their rosette. And that is why we will always lose. Tory voters are like cults that no matter what they’ll vote Tory and blame Labour. Maybe we should do the same to actually stand a chance? Imagine blaming Labour with a straight face after 12 years of Tory government. Rather like admitting that they have been ineffective isn't it? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 20, 2022 10:11:02 GMT
Early days, but...
"New polling from Opinium shows that a Sir Keir Starmer government is preferred by the public when compared to any of the final three candidates to be leader of the Conservative Party.
Rishi Sunak comes the closest to Sir Keir - but is still 11 percentage points behind the Labour leader.
The survey was carried out on Monday and Tuesday, with 2,000 adults in Great Britain asked: "If you were forced to choose, which of these would you prefer?"
They were offered a choice of a government led by Sir Keir, or one of Mr Sunak, Penny Mordaunt or Liz Truss.
Sir Keir got 46% and Rishi Sunak 35% when the two were compared.
A Labour administration got 45% compared to 33% for Penny Mordaunt.
And a Liz Truss government was chosen by 32% of people asked - while Sir Keir was picked by 46%."
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Post by supergas on Jul 20, 2022 10:46:21 GMT
The thing is though at a General Election no one is voting for the Prime Minister (well, except those living in their constituency but even then they are not voting them into that job)... ...there's been too many General Elections for the wrong reasons since 1997 and half the time they've been too early or not needed Technically they’re not, but we all know that generally speaking we’re voting for the PM/party rather than your local constituent Then we really need to improve education in the UK so people know how politics works... ....what we really need is a General Election to elect someone who can sort that out  ....in general though people really need to get a bit more education and/or perspective about what and who they are voting for, some of the comments I see on social media (not here but I guess you all know the kind of comments I'm talking about) suggest that there are so many people who would vote for anyone based on the colour of the rosette they pin on themselves, rather than who they are and how they will represent their constituency if they are elected to Parliament.... |
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Post by baggins on Jul 20, 2022 10:49:31 GMT
Technically they’re not, but we all know that generally speaking we’re voting for the PM/party rather than your local constituent Then we really need to improve education in the UK so people know how politics works... ....what we really need is a General Election to elect someone who can sort that out ....in general though people really need to get a bit more education and/or perspective about what and who they are voting for, some of the comments I see on social media (not here but I guess you all know the kind of comments I'm talking about) suggest that there are so many people who would vote for anyone based on the colour of the rosette they pin on themselves, rather than who they are and how they will represent their constituency if they are elected to Parliament.... To be honest, most people I know vote Tory because they believe they are too good to vote anything else. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 20, 2022 14:56:46 GMT
Guess :
Sunak 141
Truss 112
Mourdant 104
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Post by yattongas on Jul 20, 2022 15:02:48 GMT
Guess : Sunak 141 Truss 112 Mourdant 104 Result : Sunak 137 Truss 113 Mourdant 105 ( 2 spoilt votes) God I’m good ! 😎 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 20, 2022 15:10:21 GMT
Guess : Sunak 141 Truss 112 Mourdant 104 Result : Sunak 137 Truss 113 Mourdant 105 God I’m good ! 😎 Except you can't spell Mordaunt. 😃 |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 20, 2022 15:11:53 GMT
Result : Sunak 137 Truss 113 Mourdant 105 God I’m good ! 😎 Except you can't spell Mordaunt. 😃 That’s a point well made Stuart . Next time tell someone who gives a f…. 😂👍 |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 20, 2022 15:28:10 GMT
Result : Sunak 137 Truss 113 Mourdant 105 God I’m good ! 😎 Except you can't spell Mordaunt. 😃 It should be spelled Moreredundant. |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 20, 2022 15:54:04 GMT
Early days, but... "New polling from Opinium shows that a Sir Keir Starmer government is preferred by the public when compared to any of the final three candidates to be leader of the Conservative Party. Rishi Sunak comes the closest to Sir Keir - but is still 11 percentage points behind the Labour leader. The survey was carried out on Monday and Tuesday, with 2,000 adults in Great Britain asked: "If you were forced to choose, which of these would you prefer?" They were offered a choice of a government led by Sir Keir, or one of Mr Sunak, Penny Mordaunt or Liz Truss. Sir Keir got 46% and Rishi Sunak 35% when the two were compared. A Labour administration got 45% compared to 33% for Penny Mordaunt. And a Liz Truss government was chosen by 32% of people asked - while Sir Keir was picked by 46%." Stupid poll really, if anything it shows Sunak would win. The voters for Kier, in this scenario, would be split across labour & Lib Dems and those voting Tory would 100% vote Tory? |
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Post by baggins on Jul 20, 2022 15:54:19 GMT
Except you can't spell Mordaunt. 😃 It should be spelled Moreredundant. Isn't that someone who messes about with the dead? |
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Post by fintanstack on Jul 20, 2022 16:05:42 GMT
It should be spelled Moreredundant. Isn't that someone who messes about with the dead? Or "The Tory Party faithful" as they are also known. |
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