|
|
Post by peterparker on Aug 10, 2022 8:56:46 GMT
Wonder what are fully functioning Government are going to do, given the latest energy price cap predictions 400 quid, probably ain't going to cut it They'll have to step in and do something. £4,800 a year will be beyond the means of millions. What I don't understand about the price rises is that I have read that gas increases are in response to rising wholesale costs and concerns about Russian gas supplies. But I understand the wholesale cost is falling, and the UK only gets about 8% of its gas from Russia. As well as the massive profits being made by energy suppliers, of course. I may be wrong about these things but I read it somewhere or other last week. there are many factors. We have little storage capacity, how the price cap is worked out, global demand increases prices. I am lucky I have been able to build up some credit by paying more than I need. I was paying £110 a month (which gave me credit) with Bristol Energy before being moved to British Gas. have upped it to £240/250 a month at the moment. That's £1600 a year of disposable income gone. I can probably up it a bit more, but will mean cutting back on some stuff and more disposable income out of the window. If people are struggling to pay the amounts I am currently to help smooth the increases then the shocks/price rises are going to hit a hell of a lot harder |
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 10, 2022 16:24:48 GMT
Labour to come out with their policy to help with the energy crisis payments next week. A cut in vat isn’t going to touch the sides , let’s hope they come up with some radical solutions.
|
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Aug 10, 2022 19:11:41 GMT
Labour to come out with their policy to help with the energy crisis payments next week. A cut in vat isn’t going to touch the sides , let’s hope they come up with some radical solutions. Please It's an open goal |
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Aug 10, 2022 20:37:29 GMT
Labour to come out with their policy to help with the energy crisis payments next week. A cut in vat isn’t going to touch the sides , let’s hope they come up with some radical solutions. Please It's an open goal I wait to be amazed😊 |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Aug 10, 2022 21:11:37 GMT
Labour can't win. If they propose subsidising fuel costs the Tories will wail about public spending. If they suggest a cap on prices the Tories will wail about stifling business. Meanwhile the Tories are sort of forcing the fuel companies to give us £400 back, which will be a great relief to millions for about one month. |
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 10, 2022 21:40:21 GMT
Winning 🇬🇧!
|
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Aug 11, 2022 7:40:43 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2022 10:16:03 GMT
Levelling up …..
|
|
|
|
Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 11, 2022 14:09:04 GMT
I hear you Yatton but I'm personally resigned to believing that this is what the majority of the country want. They want a broken NHS, broken education, and they want tribal politics to be able to justify it. They are getting what they deserve im afraid. |
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2022 15:21:32 GMT
I hear you Yatton but I'm personally resigned to believing that this is what the majority of the country want. They want a broken NHS, broken education, and they want tribal politics to be able to justify it. They are getting what they deserve im afraid. The majority of voters vote for left leaning parties but the vote is always fractured. We’ve got no one to blame but ourselves really . That’s why the Tories get power with 35-40% of the electorate time and time again . You even get dafties saying they’d never vote for Starmer because he isn’t left wing enough . Although this next election I’m pretty sure we’ll see tactical voting like never seen before . There’s always hope 🤞 |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Aug 11, 2022 20:58:17 GMT
I hear you Yatton but I'm personally resigned to believing that this is what the majority of the country want. They want a broken NHS, broken education, and they want tribal politics to be able to justify it. They are getting what they deserve im afraid. No they just want to get rid of whoever is in power when something goes wrong, regardless of how and why it happened and who was to blame. Hence Labour being blamed for the American led financial crash, and Boris being blamed for Covid and the Brexit catastrophe. To be fair though, he is as responsible as anyone for the last one. The British electorate is a fickle beast. It wants lots of good care in the NHS, lots of high standards in state education, and lots of low taxes which stops items 1 and 2 from happening. |
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2022 21:31:54 GMT
I hear you Yatton but I'm personally resigned to believing that this is what the majority of the country want. They want a broken NHS, broken education, and they want tribal politics to be able to justify it. They are getting what they deserve im afraid. No they just want to get rid of whoever is in power when something goes wrong, regardless of how and why it happened and who was to blame. Hence Labour being blamed for the American led financial crash, and Boris being blamed for Covid and the Brexit catastrophe. To be fair though, he is as responsible as anyone for the last one. The British electorate is a fickle beast. It wants lots of good care in the NHS, lots of high standards in state education, and lots of low taxes which stops items 1 and 2 from happening. To be really fair he wasn’t responsible for Covid but he absolutely royally f**ked up with 200k deaths . Mind you there’s still sycophants who think he got ‘ all the big calls right ‘ |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Aug 11, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
No they just want to get rid of whoever is in power when something goes wrong, regardless of how and why it happened and who was to blame. Hence Labour being blamed for the American led financial crash, and Boris being blamed for Covid and the Brexit catastrophe. To be fair though, he is as responsible as anyone for the last one. The British electorate is a fickle beast. It wants lots of good care in the NHS, lots of high standards in state education, and lots of low taxes which stops items 1 and 2 from happening. To be really fair he wasn’t responsible for Covid but he absolutely royally f**ked up with 200k deaths . Mind you there’s still sycophants who think he got ‘ all the big calls right ‘ I meant Brexit. Much as I'd like to, I can't find a way to pin Covid on Boris. As to his responsibilities there, so many nations had so many different approaches to the virus that I can't work out which was effective and which was damaging. Including many African nations who just basically carried on as normal with face masks and had very low infection levels. |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Aug 12, 2022 12:39:36 GMT
Of course governments can mismanage situations but mostly these mistakes are only clear in hindsight and/or are caused by factors outside of their control. For example, the early 1990s recession was again a global recession that had many contributing factors, including (but not limited to) the end of the Cold War (positive) so defense spending was massively reduced, the 1990 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq (nothing the UK government could do to stop that) and the savings and loan crisis in the US (nothing the UK government could do to stop that). Another key problem was the UKs membership of the ERM... Or we could go to the early 1980s recession, which again had a number of key factors but this time more of them include the UK Labour party and how it left the economy/country when it lost the 1979 election. International factors included the Iranian Revolution which caused a disruption to the global oil supply (huge price rises coupled with limited supply) but domestic factors also played a key part - the Labour government's actions whilst they were in power (64-70 & 74-79) caused ever increasing unemployment, the Winter of Discontent and inflation at around 10% when they left office and spiraling higher... ...going to your point about the next General Election, of course the Conservatives want to win it but I don't think the party as a whole will be massively upset if they don't - most developed countries work best when power switches between the two main parties on a fairly regular basis....of course the UK had a problem as Miliband (D not E) should have been leader at either the 2015 election or the next one, and would probably have won - we'd have had 5 years of centre-left government and the Conservatives regrouping ready to take over and fix all the problems Labour caused....  Defence spending (with a "c" unless you are quoting from Wiki 😉) and the ERM were UK government decisions. I also remember the Conservative mantra going into the 1997 GE of "Yes it hurt, yes it worked." Even they acknowledged the pain caused by trying to get the economy back on track. Governments may well have some factors outside of their control but the depth and length of a recession is dependent on their competence in managing the economy. No matter where you are in the world defence/defense spending are effectively interchangeable - and as my profile and posts make clear I've been away from the Uk for a few years now and so you roll with the autocorrections after a while... ...nonsense spelling corrections aside, whilst joining the ERM was a government decision that was a bad one and the lessons were quickly learnt (whilst 'Black Friday' has entered the public consciousness many experts think 'White Friday' is a better name as it was in the long run a positive failure... ...as for cutting spending at the end of the Cold War, if you think any government would not have done the same you're mad. One of the largest successes in international diplomacy caused a small recession in some countries and everyone was better off because of it - in fact credit was still rightfully claimed... You comment about what governments can 'control' suggests you don't know how governments, the economy or the real world actually works... |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Aug 12, 2022 12:48:07 GMT
Of course governments can mismanage situations but mostly these mistakes are only clear in hindsight and/or are caused by factors outside of their control. For example, the early 1990s recession was again a global recession that had many contributing factors, including (but not limited to) the end of the Cold War (positive) so defense spending was massively reduced, the 1990 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq (nothing the UK government could do to stop that) and the savings and loan crisis in the US (nothing the UK government could do to stop that). Another key problem was the UKs membership of the ERM... Or we could go to the early 1980s recession, which again had a number of key factors but this time more of them include the UK Labour party and how it left the economy/country when it lost the 1979 election. International factors included the Iranian Revolution which caused a disruption to the global oil supply (huge price rises coupled with limited supply) but domestic factors also played a key part - the Labour government's actions whilst they were in power (64-70 & 74-79) caused ever increasing unemployment, the Winter of Discontent and inflation at around 10% when they left office and spiraling higher... ...going to your point about the next General Election, of course the Conservatives want to win it but I don't think the party as a whole will be massively upset if they don't - most developed countries work best when power switches between the two main parties on a fairly regular basis....of course the UK had a problem as Miliband (D not E) should have been leader at either the 2015 election or the next one, and would probably have won - we'd have had 5 years of centre-left government and the Conservatives regrouping ready to take over and fix all the problems Labour caused.... That's nonsense. The Tories are obsessed with winning elections and will ditch any leader in order to do so. They see themselves as the natural leaders of Britain, and always have, maybe because of the Etonian elite who run the party who have inherited their sense of entitlement from decades of public schoolboys who pass the baton from one generation to another. It's in their DNA. Not winning an election is a disaster to them. It's different with Labour. They are willing to forgo some years in power in order to get the party and leadership back on track. Not always successfully, I must admit. Respectfully I think you are wrong. Conservatives overall (and I was and am talking about voters not those who get elected) don't mind sensible opposition winning so the party regroups to be better the next time around.... ...not many who call themselves Conservatives would have minded losing in 2015 and then if everything had progressed normally they genuinely would have expected to lose the following election (whenever it was, in theory at that point 2020...) The problem was the Labour Party electing Corbyn, when millions of shy Tories came out of the woodwork and voted to stop him becoming PM. Twice.... ...the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny.... |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Aug 12, 2022 12:51:22 GMT
That's nonsense. The Tories are obsessed with winning elections and will ditch any leader in order to do so. They see themselves as the natural leaders of Britain, and always have, maybe because of the Etonian elite who run the party who have inherited their sense of entitlement from decades of public schoolboys who pass the baton from one generation to another. It's in their DNA. Not winning an election is a disaster to them. It's different with Labour. They are willing to forgo some years in power in order to get the party and leadership back on track. Not always successfully, I must admit. Respectfully I think you are wrong. Conservatives overall (and I was and am talking about voters not those who get elected) don't mind sensible opposition winning so the party regroups to be better the next time around.... ...not many who call themselves Conservatives would have minded losing in 2015 and then if everything had progressed normally they genuinely would have expected to lose the following election (whenever it was, in theory at that point 2020...) The problem was the Labour Party electing Corbyn, when millions of shy Tories came out of the woodwork and voted to stop him becoming PM. Twice.... ...the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny.... Sorry mate But this "the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny...." Is just absolute nonsense. |
|
|
|
Post by fintanstack on Aug 12, 2022 14:49:17 GMT
Respectfully I think you are wrong. Conservatives overall (and I was and am talking about voters not those who get elected) don't mind sensible opposition winning so the party regroups to be better the next time around.... ...not many who call themselves Conservatives would have minded losing in 2015 and then if everything had progressed normally they genuinely would have expected to lose the following election (whenever it was, in theory at that point 2020...) The problem was the Labour Party electing Corbyn, when millions of shy Tories came out of the woodwork and voted to stop him becoming PM. Twice.... ...the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny.... Sorry mate But this "the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny...." Is just absolute nonsense. But it was spoken like a true, entitled tory. "We are born to rule and the plebs are happy to be led by us". |
|
|
|
Post by yattongas on Aug 12, 2022 15:30:56 GMT
Sorry mate But this "the other key difference is Labour love being in Opposition as they can say/do/claim what they want with little scrutiny...." Is just absolute nonsense. But it was spoken like a true, entitled tory. "We are born to rule and the plebs are happy to be led by us". You’ve gotta applaud the pomposity to come on here after only a few posts and tell Stu he doesn’t understand how government works . |
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Aug 12, 2022 16:48:06 GMT
Labour can't win. If they propose subsidising fuel costs the Tories will wail about public spending. If they suggest a cap on prices the Tories will wail about stifling business. Meanwhile the Tories are sort of forcing the fuel companies to give us £400 back, which will be a great relief to millions for about one month. There's lots they can do but as usual do bugger all, They could put a price freeze on or limit the increase,I believe Macron has done something similar with EDF. How about they create a state funded supplier to enter the market with an objective of meeting costs but no profit. |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Aug 12, 2022 17:24:22 GMT
But it was spoken like a true, entitled tory. "We are born to rule and the plebs are happy to be led by us". You’ve gotta applaud the pomposity to come on here after only a few posts and tell Stu he doesn’t understand how government works . That was my first reaction. |
|
