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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2022 8:02:13 GMT
I can see two possibilities, eiher it'll be a run off with the membership between BJ and Sunak (although I'm not sure it's a done deal of Boris winning) or he'll split the anti Rishi element with Mordaunt and Sunak wins without a membership vote. I'm incredulous,beyond a parody Country is a laughing stock The choice was a coalition of chaos under Ed Miliband or stability under Cameron. We've not been governed since 2015, it's just been management of the Conservative Party and its different factions. Glad we chose wisely. 😶 |
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2022 8:49:13 GMT
By all accounts, treasury officials from Venezuela and Zimbabwe are in discussions with the UK government and are giving advice on how to stabilise the economy. 😂😂😂 Indeed. I doubt this lot would even understand that, let alone be able to spell "stabilise" |
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 22, 2022 9:54:31 GMT
I'm incredulous,beyond a parody Country is a laughing stock The choice was a coalition of chaos under Ed Miliband or stability under Cameron. We've not been governed since 2015, it's just been management of the Conservative Party and its different factions. Glad we chose wisely. 😶 Having a serious look at this,politics and political parties in this Country have deteriorated significantly in the past couple of decades. Tories riven with division that explodes whenever there is a critical challenge/issue. Labour what do they stand for other than opposing the Tories,have a feeling that bubbling just below the surface all the old divisions are there but they are keeping a lid on it. SNP still a single issue party all consumed by Independence whilst they have presided over a disaster in Education and Social cohesion ( drug capital of Europe) etc All in all a sorry state,where's the Vision,the compassion,the plan to deliver growth and reduce poverty,bits and pieces yes but no coherent way forward . We lack ambition and the talent to execute/deliver. Here endeth today's rant🙄 |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 22, 2022 12:43:04 GMT
The choice was a coalition of chaos under Ed Miliband or stability under Cameron. We've not been governed since 2015, it's just been management of the Conservative Party and its different factions. Glad we chose wisely. 😶 Having a serious look at this,politics and political parties in this Country have deteriorated significantly in the past couple of decades. Tories riven with division that explodes whenever there is a critical challenge/issue. Labour what do they stand for other than opposing the Tories,have a feeling that bubbling just below the surface all the old divisions are there but they are keeping a lid on it. SNP still a single issue party all consumed by Independence whilst they have presided over a disaster in Education and Social cohesion ( drug capital of Europe) etc All in all a sorry state,where's the Vision,the compassion,the plan to deliver growth and reduce poverty,bits and pieces yes but no coherent way forward . We lack ambition and the talent to execute/deliver. Here endeth today's rant🙄 Tbf here TG, not understanding what Labour stand for is on you. 12 months ago I might have agreed but they announced all this not long ago. I feel like you’re limping your problems with the current government on Labour, I think a lot of people to it tbh labourlist.org/2022/10/the-content-of-every-policy-motion-passed-at-labour-conference-2022/?ampwww.ice.org.uk/news-insight/news-and-blogs/ice-blogs/the-infrastructure-blog/infra-takeaways-from-2022-labour-party-conference/inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-party-conference-2022-every-policy-annnounced-so-far-1877279 |
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 22, 2022 13:20:28 GMT
Fair enough,guess I just want to be inspired after the past 10years😕 |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2022 18:05:53 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 22, 2022 18:55:04 GMT
Policy number one is exactly why I won't vote for Labour. The second show they're still under the thumb of the unions. The third, the fact Royal Mail is struggling so much is because there are better alternatives, provided by private organisations, that aren't stuck in their ways. I know we've had a tough time with privatisation and in some senses it has failed but nationalisation is not the answer. We consider our politicians incapable of organising a water up in a brewery without running our critical infrastructure. How can we trust them to run our critical infrastructure as well? Seems like a bloody awful idea to me. Tories have been diabolical for a long time now but Labour have been awful for longer. Swapping out these numpties for Labour is just a case of the emperors new clothes. We need a new centrist political force backed up people who actually have the talent to be able to do the job at hand. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2022 19:12:11 GMT
Policy number one is exactly why I won't vote for Labour. The second show they're still under the thumb of the unions. The third, the fact Royal Mail is struggling so much is because there are better alternatives, provided by private organisations, that aren't stuck in their ways. I know we've had a tough time with privatisation and in some senses it has failed but nationalisation is not the answer. We consider our politicians incapable of organising a water up in a brewery without running our critical infrastructure. How can we trust them to run our critical infrastructure as well? Seems like a bloody awful idea to me. Tories have been diabolical for a long time now but Labour have been awful for longer. Swapping out these numpties for Labour is just a case of the emperors new clothes. We need a new centrist political force backed up people who actually have the talent to be able to do the job at hand. The motions aren't binding on a future Labour government, the actual policies in their next manifesto will be decided by the National Executive. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2022 19:43:26 GMT
Policy number one is exactly why I won't vote for Labour. The second show they're still under the thumb of the unions. The third, the fact Royal Mail is struggling so much is because there are better alternatives, provided by private organisations, that aren't stuck in their ways. I know we've had a tough time with privatisation and in some senses it has failed but nationalisation is not the answer. We consider our politicians incapable of organising a water up in a brewery without running our critical infrastructure. How can we trust them to run our critical infrastructure as well? Seems like a bloody awful idea to me. Tories have been diabolical for a long time now but Labour have been awful for longer. Swapping out these numpties for Labour is just a case of the emperors new clothes. We need a new centrist political force backed up people who actually have the talent to be able to do the job at hand. Good luck trying to get a letter delivered by these other “better alternatives “ 🙄 Royal Mail has a universal delivery obligation 6 days a week . If you’d rather have it like other companies that just cherry pick the profitable parts …… more fool you . |
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Post by aghast on Oct 22, 2022 21:51:29 GMT
I see Boris and Rishi have had a little private meeting. Worries me a bit.
Maybe a Blair-Brown type agreement? Boris to return in triumph as PM until the next election, Rishi given complete autonomy over the economy, and Boris to step down in 2025 in favour of his chancellor?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2022 22:20:49 GMT
I see Boris and Rishi have had a little private meeting. Worries me a bit. Maybe a Blair-Brown type agreement? Boris to return in triumph as PM until the next election, Rishi given complete autonomy over the economy, and Boris to step down in 2025 in favour of his chancellor? Can’t see how those two can work together again tbh . Apparently Sunak’s camp have been confident all along that Johnson won’t get over 80 MPs . Next few days will be interesting. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2022 22:30:30 GMT
I see Boris and Rishi have had a little private meeting. Worries me a bit. Maybe a Blair-Brown type agreement? Boris to return in triumph as PM until the next election, Rishi given complete autonomy over the economy, and Boris to step down in 2025 in favour of his chancellor? Boris' camp are claiming 102 MPs, Sunak's camp want evidence. You could be right but equally Boris could see that he isn't getting the numbers and is bluffing (wouldn't be the first time). He could be telling Sunak his terms for not standing and giving him his endorsement which would almost guarantee Sunak's victory. If I'm right, I wonder what those terms are? If they fight in a run off it could split the party, they are probably looking for a way to unite. |
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 23, 2022 8:32:58 GMT
I see Boris and Rishi have had a little private meeting. Worries me a bit. Maybe a Blair-Brown type agreement? Boris to return in triumph as PM until the next election, Rishi given complete autonomy over the economy, and Boris to step down in 2025 in favour of his chancellor? Boris' camp are claiming 102 MPs, Sunak's camp want evidence. You could be right but equally Boris could see that he isn't getting the numbers and is bluffing (wouldn't be the first time). He could be telling Sunak his terms for not standing and giving him his endorsement which would almost guarantee Sunak's victory. If I'm right, I wonder what those terms are? If they fight in a run off it could split the party, they are probably looking for a way to unite. It's all so bloody seedy,how any Tory MP can think a vote for BJ is ok is insanity,we need stability for the sake of the economy and markets not 3 months of uncertainty with an enquiry hanging over the PM,Sunak is the only one with credibility. Sadly I still have suspicion that if there is a vote with the blue rinse members Sunak won't get in for reasons other than ability etc |
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Post by oldie on Oct 23, 2022 9:25:21 GMT
Boris' camp are claiming 102 MPs, Sunak's camp want evidence. You could be right but equally Boris could see that he isn't getting the numbers and is bluffing (wouldn't be the first time). He could be telling Sunak his terms for not standing and giving him his endorsement which would almost guarantee Sunak's victory. If I'm right, I wonder what those terms are? If they fight in a run off it could split the party, they are probably looking for a way to unite. It's all so bloody seedy,how any Tory MP can think a vote for BJ is ok is insanity,we need stability for the sake of the economy and markets not 3 months of uncertainty with an enquiry hanging over the PM,Sunak is the only one with credibility. Sadly I still have suspicion that if there is a vote with the blue rinse members Sunak won't get in for reasons other than ability etc Exactly |
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Post by fintanstack on Oct 23, 2022 10:05:57 GMT
The fact that Boris thinks he should come back tells you all you need to know about him.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 23, 2022 10:50:53 GMT
The fact that Boris thinks he should come back tells you all you need to know about him. And the Tory party . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 23, 2022 20:06:41 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Oct 23, 2022 20:25:53 GMT
Does Truss get to do a resignation honours list now she’s gone to stuff the Lords with more peers ? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 23, 2022 20:33:01 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Oct 23, 2022 20:59:51 GMT
The Tory / Brexit backing racists are in a bit of a quandary tonight 🤔
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