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Post by Gassy on Oct 30, 2020 14:24:34 GMT
Yeah but imagine if Corbyn would have won. He’d have disbanded the military navy and airforce!! We've still got a military? Yeah don’t you remember? They came to protect our statues from BLM protestors |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 14:28:10 GMT
We've still got a military? Yeah don’t you remember? They came to protect our statues from BLM protestors Ohhh, them. Didn't they go to Michigan for boot camp training? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 14:30:16 GMT
It’s precisely because I’m relatively well off these days that I do care that those less fortunate , get a hand up . As a child growing up I didn’t struggle , then as a young man went through some hard times . Life is pretty good now . But I’ve never forgotten those times when i didn’t have enough money to buy a meal at certain times . I really can’t understand how those who have begrudge those that have not .... for what ever reasons. It’s the ability to turn a blind eye to all the millions & billions wasted , squandered and syphoned off it to grubby hands to mates or mates of mates I’ll never understand. Yet when those less fortunate need a dole out , it’s classed as unnecessary, wasteful etc You’ve gotta be a real expletive to think that way Respect to you. We need more people like you who have done alright and want to give a hand up to the next generation so they can have the same opportunities. It almost brings me to tears to think of the good people in this country who can’t achieve their potential because they have sod all and yet the people with the means to do some real good towards changing that are obsessed with the pennies lost on the welfare system yet they never breathe a word about the millions literally robbed from the public purse. I don’t know how we will ever get through to these people either. You’re right; we get £13 billion robbed from the public purse and sent abroad every year in foreign aid. How far towards alleviating your perceived poverty in this country would that go? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 30, 2020 14:37:15 GMT
Respect to you. We need more people like you who have done alright and want to give a hand up to the next generation so they can have the same opportunities. It almost brings me to tears to think of the good people in this country who can’t achieve their potential because they have sod all and yet the people with the means to do some real good towards changing that are obsessed with the pennies lost on the welfare system yet they never breathe a word about the millions literally robbed from the public purse. I don’t know how we will ever get through to these people either. You’re right; we get £13 billion robbed from the public purse and sent abroad every year in foreign aid. How far towards alleviating your perceived poverty in this country would that go? £9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 30, 2020 14:44:13 GMT
I wonder what right wing-ers would say if we were in this exact situation under Labour?
Would they still be applauding the blatant incompetencies and U-turns? Would still support one of the biggest hit economies, highest cases and deaths? Basically pretty much worst in every way.
And before anyone says so, yes - I’d be Dam livid if this happened under a Labour government. To the point I’m not sure I’d ever vote for them again.
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Post by francegas on Oct 30, 2020 14:44:43 GMT
You’re right; we get £13 billion robbed from the public purse and sent abroad every year in foreign aid. How far towards alleviating your perceived poverty in this country would that go? £9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Didn't the Conservative/Lib Dems inherit the HS2 plans from the previous government. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 30, 2020 14:57:00 GMT
£9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Didn't the Conservative/Lib Dems inherit the HS2 plans from the previous government. Just an assessment phase I recall, which the Coalition then put to a review before any commitments. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:17:40 GMT
Just, but give Dom another few weeks. Word is that the army in particular will get heavy cuts in the upcoming defence review. So that's Police NHS, child services, local Councils, Schools, and now our defenses cut to hell. Great. We got anything left to be proud of? We’re very good at looking after our friends? |
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Post by francegas on Oct 30, 2020 15:18:42 GMT
Didn't the Conservative/Lib Dems inherit the HS2 plans from the previous government. Just an assessment phase I recall, which the Coalition then put to a review before any commitments. That is true, however the 3 main political parties all pledged their support for the project. Labour in their manifesto pledging to extend the route into Scotland. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:21:57 GMT
So that's Police NHS, child services, local Councils, Schools, and now our defenses cut to hell. Great. We got anything left to be proud of? Low taxation? Oh hang on....... After everything I’ve read of late I’d actually support higher taxation if it meant better education services and a welfare state that assists workers who have fallen on hard times re-train in sustainable careers. From what I understand some of the more successful European economies (Norway, Denmark, Germany, Finland) have high taxation and a robust welfare state and it doesn’t seem to have done them much harm. Inequality is reduced and happiness is much higher compared to equality and happiness reports of life in the U.K. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 30, 2020 15:22:31 GMT
Just an assessment phase I recall, which the Coalition then put to a review before any commitments. That is true, however the 3 main political parties all pledged their support for the project. Labour in their manifesto pledging to extend the route into Scotland. Personally I'd have started in Scotland and the North, then extend south later. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:25:15 GMT
You’re right; we get £13 billion robbed from the public purse and sent abroad every year in foreign aid. How far towards alleviating your perceived poverty in this country would that go? £9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Never mind Rashford we’ve got an Indian charity that specialises in feeding kids setting up soup kitchens for kids over here! That should be enough to make Oldgas feel embarrassed to the core given he cares so much about Britain saving face in the eyes of the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:25:37 GMT
Low taxation? Oh hang on....... After everything I’ve read of late I’d actually support higher taxation if it meant better education services and a welfare state that assists workers who have fallen on hard times re-train in sustainable careers. From what I understand some of the more successful European economies (Norway, Denmark, Germany, Finland) have high taxation and a robust welfare state and it doesn’t seem to have done them much harm. Inequality is reduced and happiness is much higher compared to equality and happiness reports of life in the U.K. I do not believe it's an either / or situation |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:26:43 GMT
That is true, however the 3 main political parties all pledged their support for the project. Labour in their manifesto pledging to extend the route into Scotland. Personally I'd have started in Scotland and the North, then extend south later. The question is, post covid will there be any need for high speed rail to London if Londoners continue their exodus to the countryside as everyone transitions to working remotely? Central London could be a housing estate in the not too distant future... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:30:13 GMT
After everything I’ve read of late I’d actually support higher taxation if it meant better education services and a welfare state that assists workers who have fallen on hard times re-train in sustainable careers. From what I understand some of the more successful European economies (Norway, Denmark, Germany, Finland) have high taxation and a robust welfare state and it doesn’t seem to have done them much harm. Inequality is reduced and happiness is much higher compared to equality and happiness reports of life in the U.K. I do not believe it's an either / or situation Well, oldgas did post that article that claimed that the 350 million a week for the NHS was actually true, so obviously we will be swimming in cash post brexit to spend on quality re-training for adults whose jobs no longer exist because of covid. Yeah right *rolls eyes* This country is sleepwalking into another economic disaster in that the more forward thinking nations are all trying to figure out how a universal basic income would work whereas from what I understand the Tories aren’t interested. They will be stood by fiddling on the hill as a good portion of the U.K. workforce Is made surplus to requirements due to automation. No doubt it will all be because those feckless lazy workers don’t work as hard as machines *rolls eyes again* |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:35:39 GMT
Personally I'd have started in Scotland and the North, then extend south later. The question is, post covid will there be any need for high speed rail to London if Londoners continue their exodus to the countryside as everyone transitions to working remotely? Central London could be a housing estate in the not too distant future... Mobility is everything |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 30, 2020 15:41:41 GMT
I do not believe it's an either / or situation Well, oldgas did post that article that claimed that the 350 million a week for the NHS was actually true, so obviously we will be swimming in cash post brexit to spend on quality re-training for adults whose jobs no longer exist because of covid. Yeah right *rolls eyes* This country is sleepwalking into another economic disaster in that the more forward thinking nations are all trying to figure out how a universal basic income would work whereas from what I understand the Tories aren’t interested. They will be stood by fiddling on the hill as a good portion of the U.K. workforce Is made surplus to requirements due to automation. No doubt it will all be because those feckless lazy workers don’t work as hard as machines *rolls eyes again* Hope Oldgas didn't think the £350m was true because of the court case. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 15:45:18 GMT
I do not believe it's an either / or situation Well, oldgas did post that article that claimed that the 350 million a week for the NHS was actually true, so obviously we will be swimming in cash post brexit to spend on quality re-training for adults whose jobs no longer exist because of covid. Yeah right *rolls eyes* This country is sleepwalking into another economic disaster in that the more forward thinking nations are all trying to figure out how a universal basic income would work whereas from what I understand the Tories aren’t interested. They will be stood by fiddling on the hill as a good portion of the U.K. workforce Is made surplus to requirements due to automation. No doubt it will all be because those feckless lazy workers don’t work as hard as machines *rolls eyes again* There was a good analysis, by Robert Skidelsky I think, which highlighted the fact that when the first period of automation came along with step changes in technology, the forecasts were that we would have larger GDP but with far fewer human input hours. Thus far more leisure time. Did that happen? Now we are hurtling to a new "adjustment", fuelled now by a pandemic. What we must not do is become luddite about it, nor adopt the laissez faire attitude loved so much by Thatcher and her children. We need to embrace it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 16:26:44 GMT
I wonder what right wing-ers would say if we were in this exact situation under Labour? Would they still be applauding the blatant incompetencies and U-turns? Would still support one of the biggest hit economies, highest cases and deaths? Basically pretty much worst in every way. And before anyone says so, yes - I’d be f**king livid if this happened under a Labour government. To the point I’m not sure I’d ever vote for them again. Ha. A great point. Of course the Tories have never put a foot wrong, they are ideologically pure. It seems the only thing the right-wingers who post on here would criticise the Tories for is not being fascist enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 17:00:57 GMT
Well, oldgas did post that article that claimed that the 350 million a week for the NHS was actually true, so obviously we will be swimming in cash post brexit to spend on quality re-training for adults whose jobs no longer exist because of covid. Yeah right *rolls eyes* This country is sleepwalking into another economic disaster in that the more forward thinking nations are all trying to figure out how a universal basic income would work whereas from what I understand the Tories aren’t interested. They will be stood by fiddling on the hill as a good portion of the U.K. workforce Is made surplus to requirements due to automation. No doubt it will all be because those feckless lazy workers don’t work as hard as machines *rolls eyes again* There was a good analysis, by Robert Skidelsky I think, which highlighted the fact that when the first period of automation came along with step changes in technology, the forecasts were that we would have larger GDP but with far fewer human input hours. Thus far more leisure time. Did that happen? Now we are hurtling to a new "adjustment", fuelled now by a pandemic. What we must not do is become luddite about it, nor adopt the laissez faire attitude loved so much by Thatcher and her children. We need to embrace it. My attitude completely. What time period was that prediction for? As someone who works in software/programming my boss is a big believer in the theory that work doesn’t just go away- we just respond to automation by finding more interesting things for the workforce to do. I’m not sure I agree with that or at least, that it can’t happen quickly and efficiently. The pandemic has seen skilled workers who have lost their jobs end up in other sectors that have boomed, mainly retail- shelf stacking and distribution etc. So perhaps there will be a re-distribution of labour of sorts due to automation but there will be people who can’t keep up with the pace of progress and will effectively end up a bloody hard worker but not an intelligent one able to adapt to a more demanding future in terms of skills. Should such people be effectively consigned to the scrap heap and left to die by the state simply because what they are good at, hard work, is not enough in the future economy? Like you say we need to plan for this as much as any other country but yet again Tory ideology cannot embrace paying people not to work and so if they remain in power for the foreseeable (I think they won’t) we will be caught with our pants down and end up with a decent portion of the workforce thrown to the wolves which in turn damages the economy |
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