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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 17:07:50 GMT
I wonder what right wing-ers would say if we were in this exact situation under Labour? Would they still be applauding the blatant incompetencies and U-turns? Would still support one of the biggest hit economies, highest cases and deaths? Basically pretty much worst in every way. And before anyone says so, yes - I’d be f**king livid if this happened under a Labour government. To the point I’m not sure I’d ever vote for them again. Ha. A great point. Of course the Tories have never put a foot wrong, they are ideologically pure. It seems the only thing the right-wingers who post on here would criticise the Tories for is not being fascist enough. Hahaha brilliant. I couldn’t excuse this performance from Labour, not in the way the Tories seem to be. The only slack I would give them is that they would have been coming in off the back of austerity so if their hands are tied it would in no small part with the conditions they were handed. The Tories are still blaming Tony Blair for the handling of this pandemic so it seems reasonable to have allowed Labour that one small mercy. But Gassy is right, the same performance by Labour: contract shenanigans, voting against meals, Cummings-gate, flats on the isle of dogs etc etc I would be bloody fuming and feel betrayed. Gassy is again right of course that the Tories would be having a field day, that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. They would find contracts for mates far more unpalatable if Labour were doing it. Part of the issue though is that they take their cues from the media and not enough of the key tabloids are getting angry about the abuse of office that the Tories are getting sway with at the moment. If Labour were doing it all hell would break loose. Just look at how anti-semitism isn’t being allowed to go away (not that it should) |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 17:29:45 GMT
£9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Didn't the Conservative/Lib Dems inherit the HS2 plans from the previous government. Sshhh. Don’t mention that. Apparently some of the political geniuses on these threads never knew there was a problem with racism within the Labour party until now. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 17:42:11 GMT
You’re right; we get £13 billion robbed from the public purse and sent abroad every year in foreign aid. How far towards alleviating your perceived poverty in this country would that go? £9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why should I be ashamed of myself? I pay tax and NI every month and have done all my working life. As a net contributor I pay towards other people’s benefits every month. I believe that it is the right and proper thing to do to look after those in our society who are less fortunate. I, however, feel aggrieved that £13 is sent abroad every year, especially when, if the likes of a certain footballer are to believed, there are children on the verge of starvation in this country. What I do know is that there are plenty of indigenous people, many ex-servicemen among them, who are homeless. What do you think about foreign aid? Do you think the money should be used to look after our own first? As for track and trace, £9 billion does seem a ridiculous amount of money. However, it is a one-off which won’t be needed after another year or so, hopefully. Whether it could have been done better I don’t know. People scream and shout and spit their dummies about the Tories putting the money in their mates pockets, but who else is there with any sort of capacity to put this kind of thing in place. As for HS2, I believe this was a Labour project. What I can tell you, working on the railway, is that the system is at capacity. They literally can’t run any more trains over the existing network. I believe that it takes well over £1 million to lay 1 mile of single track, And that’s before you buy the land and render it fit for a rail network. No doubt those costs are directly attributable to the Bastard Tories, everything else seems to be. So no, I’m not ashamed of myself, and I’d be interested as to why you think I should be. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 18:17:51 GMT
That is true, however the 3 main political parties all pledged their support for the project. Labour in their manifesto pledging to extend the route into Scotland. Personally I'd have started in Scotland and the North, then extend south later. What, throw even more money Wee Jimmy’s way that can be stolen if they ever get independence? Great idea, any more? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 18:22:24 GMT
£9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why should I be ashamed of myself? I pay tax and NI every month and have done all my working life. As a net contributor I pay towards other people’s benefits every month. I believe that it is the right and proper thing to do to look after those in our society who are less fortunate. I, however, feel aggrieved that £13 is sent abroad every year, especially when, if the likes of a certain footballer are to believed, there are children on the verge of starvation in this country. What I do know is that there are plenty of indigenous people, many ex-servicemen among them, who are homeless. What do you think about foreign aid? Do you think the money should be used to look after our own first? As for track and trace, £9 billion does seem a ridiculous amount of money. However, it is a one-off which won’t be needed after another year or so, hopefully. Whether it could have been done better I don’t know. People scream and shout and spit their dummies about the Tories putting the money in their mates pockets, but who else is there with any sort of capacity to put this kind of thing in place. As for HS2, I believe this was a Labour project. What I can tell you, working on the railway, is that the system is at capacity. They literally can’t run any more trains over the existing network. I believe that it takes well over £1 million to lay 1 mile of single track, And that’s before you buy the land and render it fit for a rail network. No doubt those costs are directly attributable to the Bastard Tories, everything else seems to be. So no, I’m not ashamed of myself, and I’d be interested as to why you think I should be. Well we agree on one thing then which is that tax should be spent first and foremost to solve this country’s problems. The issue with the contracts is that we have got no value from the sums spent. It’s not like we overspent but got something that works. It appears that the money has yielded absolutely nothing of any worth. Billions for nothing! It would be a scandal if Labour did that (and rightly so). You said about capacity- I don’t know about PPE but I work in software and I have no idea why it would cost billions for track and trace. I am sure there are plenty of companies who would have tendered for that job at a fraction of what we actually paid....but there wasn’t even a tendering process. Funny that. So we spent an eye watering amount of money that could have been spent on so much stuff more worthwhile in this pandemic, to protect jobs, feed kids or whatever but instead it’s been siphoned out into a mysterious black hole that has puked up a broken system in response. The PPE by all accounts produced nothing. On a tangent there is also the ferry Brexit contract stuff. They aren’t even trying to hide it. But why would they? Because people don’t care when it’s the Tories. It doesn’t cost them a vote. People don’t get as angry about corruption at the top level as they do about corruption when it’s the poor and feckless doing it. I’d love to understand what creates that mindset. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 18:22:48 GMT
Low taxation? Oh hang on....... You forgot great Brexit dea....yep. This and the above comments is like listening to Question Time with a Left Wing panel and a carefully chosen, left wing audience. Oh, hang on. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 18:24:03 GMT
Why should I be ashamed of myself? I pay tax and NI every month and have done all my working life. As a net contributor I pay towards other people’s benefits every month. I believe that it is the right and proper thing to do to look after those in our society who are less fortunate. I, however, feel aggrieved that £13 is sent abroad every year, especially when, if the likes of a certain footballer are to believed, there are children on the verge of starvation in this country. What I do know is that there are plenty of indigenous people, many ex-servicemen among them, who are homeless. What do you think about foreign aid? Do you think the money should be used to look after our own first? As for track and trace, £9 billion does seem a ridiculous amount of money. However, it is a one-off which won’t be needed after another year or so, hopefully. Whether it could have been done better I don’t know. People scream and shout and spit their dummies about the Tories putting the money in their mates pockets, but who else is there with any sort of capacity to put this kind of thing in place. As for HS2, I believe this was a Labour project. What I can tell you, working on the railway, is that the system is at capacity. They literally can’t run any more trains over the existing network. I believe that it takes well over £1 million to lay 1 mile of single track, And that’s before you buy the land and render it fit for a rail network. No doubt those costs are directly attributable to the Bastard Tories, everything else seems to be. So no, I’m not ashamed of myself, and I’d be interested as to why you think I should be. Well we agree on one thing then which is that tax should be spent first and foremost to solve this country’s problems. The issue with the contracts is that we have got no value from the sums spent. It’s not like we overspent but got something that works. It appears that the money has yielded absolutely nothing of any worth. Billions for nothing! It would be a scandal if Labour did that (and rightly so). You said about capacity- I don’t know about PPE but I work in software and I have no idea why it would cost billions for track and trace. I am sure there are plenty of companies who would have tendered for that job at a fraction of what we actually paid....but there wasn’t even a tendering process. Funny that. So we spent an eye watering amount of money that could have been spent on so much stuff more worthwhile in this pandemic, to protect jobs, feed kids or whatever but instead it’s been siphoned out into a mysterious black hole that has puked up a broken system in response. The PPE by all accounts produced nothing. On a tangent there is also the ferry Brexit contract stuff. They aren’t even trying to hide it. But why would they? Because people don’t care when it’s the Tories. It doesn’t cost them a vote. People don’t get as angry about corruption at the top level as they do about corruption when it’s the poor and feckless doing it. I’d love to understand what creates that mindset. You morphed into Baggins have you? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 18:34:21 GMT
Well we agree on one thing then which is that tax should be spent first and foremost to solve this country’s problems. The issue with the contracts is that we have got no value from the sums spent. It’s not like we overspent but got something that works. It appears that the money has yielded absolutely nothing of any worth. Billions for nothing! It would be a scandal if Labour did that (and rightly so). You said about capacity- I don’t know about PPE but I work in software and I have no idea why it would cost billions for track and trace. I am sure there are plenty of companies who would have tendered for that job at a fraction of what we actually paid....but there wasn’t even a tendering process. Funny that. So we spent an eye watering amount of money that could have been spent on so much stuff more worthwhile in this pandemic, to protect jobs, feed kids or whatever but instead it’s been siphoned out into a mysterious black hole that has puked up a broken system in response. The PPE by all accounts produced nothing. On a tangent there is also the ferry Brexit contract stuff. They aren’t even trying to hide it. But why would they? Because people don’t care when it’s the Tories. It doesn’t cost them a vote. People don’t get as angry about corruption at the top level as they do about corruption when it’s the poor and feckless doing it. I’d love to understand what creates that mindset. You morphed into Baggins have you? Why, not keen on scrutiny are you? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 19:00:32 GMT
You morphed into Baggins have you? Why, not keen on scrutiny are you? Is he incapable of answering a question posed to him? You mentioned scrutiny, I believe! |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 19:08:28 GMT
£9 billion for track and trace. I'll let that go in, £9 billion for track and trace. How much for HS2? And we've got a football player sorting food for kids. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Never mind Rashford we’ve got an Indian charity that specialises in feeding kids setting up soup kitchens for kids over here! That should be enough to make Oldgas feel embarrassed to the core given he cares so much about Britain saving face in the eyes of the world. Paying for it out of the foreign aid budget are they? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 30, 2020 19:27:06 GMT
Didn't the Conservative/Lib Dems inherit the HS2 plans from the previous government. Sshhh. Don’t mention that. Apparently some of the political geniuses on these threads never knew there was a problem with racism within the Labour party until now. All racism is terrible , from either side. The Labour Party should feel ashamed but at least under new management they look to be tackling it . How’s the Tory party inquiry into islamophobia getting on.... you know that one Boris agreed to ? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 19:37:28 GMT
Sshhh. Don’t mention that. Apparently some of the political geniuses on these threads never knew there was a problem with racism within the Labour party until now. All racism is terrible , from either side. The Labour Party should feel ashamed but at least under new management they look to be tackling it . How’s the Tory party inquiry into islamophobia getting on.... you know that one Boris agreed to ? Yeah, the ECHR is keeping tabs on it. Do keep up. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 19:40:52 GMT
All racism is terrible , from either side. The Labour Party should feel ashamed but at least under new management they look to be tackling it . How’s the Tory party inquiry into islamophobia getting on.... you know that one Boris agreed to ? Yeah, the ECHR is keeping tabs on it. Do keep up. Oh, and apparently the retired PM from Malaysia has stated that Muslims are justified in murdering French people because of some cartoons about the Paedophile prophet Mohamed. The bloke who’ married’ a 12 year old girl. The leader of a religion that advocates throwing gay men off the top of tall buildings. Nice. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 30, 2020 19:41:43 GMT
All racism is terrible , from either side. The Labour Party should feel ashamed but at least under new management they look to be tackling it . How’s the Tory party inquiry into islamophobia getting on.... you know that one Boris agreed to ? Yeah, the ECHR is keeping tabs on it. Do keep up. Are you sure about that? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 30, 2020 19:45:58 GMT
All racism is terrible , from either side. The Labour Party should feel ashamed but at least under new management they look to be tackling it . How’s the Tory party inquiry into islamophobia getting on.... you know that one Boris agreed to ? Yeah, the ECHR is keeping tabs on it. Do keep up. Enlighten me ? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 20:00:03 GMT
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 30, 2020 20:16:47 GMT
Did you even read this before you posted? First paragraph. The equalities watchdog has dropped plans to launch an inquiry into Tory Islamophobia after the party set out new details of its own investigation, which the largest Muslim body in Britain has branded “a facade”. Now have another go at answering the question. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 30, 2020 20:19:06 GMT
I wonder what right wing-ers would say if we were in this exact situation under Labour? Would they still be applauding the blatant incompetencies and U-turns? Would still support one of the biggest hit economies, highest cases and deaths? Basically pretty much worst in every way. And before anyone says so, yes - I’d be f**king livid if this happened under a Labour government. To the point I’m not sure I’d ever vote for them again. Bump. No takers on this from the other side? I’m flabbergasted |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 30, 2020 20:22:14 GMT
Did you even read this before you posted? First paragraph. The equalities watchdog has dropped plans to launch an inquiry into Tory Islamophobia after the party set out new details of its own investigation, which the largest Muslim body in Britain has branded “a facade”. Now have another go at answering the question. Tbf to OldGas at least he posts a link to something he claims. It’s completely wrong and actually the opposite of what he’s saying - but still baby steps. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 30, 2020 20:27:02 GMT
Did you even read this before you posted? First paragraph. The equalities watchdog has dropped plans to launch an inquiry into Tory Islamophobia after the party set out new details of its own investigation, which the largest Muslim body in Britain has branded “a facade”. Now have another go at answering the question. Tbf to OldGas at least he posts a link to something he claims. It’s completely wrong and actually the opposite of what he’s saying - but still baby steps. 😂 |
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