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Post by yattongas on Nov 1, 2020 10:30:45 GMT
Please open the article, read it, then come back on here and explain why the enquiry hasn’t started yet.😀 So I take it you’ve opened the article, read it and realised you were mistaken. Well done.👍 It’s an internal review not a statutory inquiry. So not bound by procedural rules and do not have the power to compel the attendance of witnesses or the production of documents . They are essentially reliant on the cooperation of those involved. In other words .... it’ll be a Tory whitewash.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 1, 2020 11:26:54 GMT
So I take it you’ve opened the article, read it and realised you were mistaken. Well done.👍 It’s an internal review not a statutory inquiry. So not bound by procedural rules and do not have the power to compel the attendance of witnesses or the production of documents . They are essentially reliant on the cooperation of those involved. In other words .... it’ll be a Tory whitewash. Take a look at the name of the bloke leading the ENQUIRY, and where he worked before.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 1, 2020 13:07:11 GMT
It’s an internal review not a statutory inquiry. So not bound by procedural rules and do not have the power to compel the attendance of witnesses or the production of documents . They are essentially reliant on the cooperation of those involved. In other words .... it’ll be a Tory whitewash. Take a look at the name of the bloke leading the ENQUIRY, and where he worked before. The word is INQUIRY 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 13:42:10 GMT
Take a look at the name of the bloke leading the ENQUIRY, and where he worked before. The word is INQUIRY 🙄 😂😂😂😂 Maybe Oldgas is demanding you enquire into the Inquiry? Who knows? Pretty sure he doesn't.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 1, 2020 13:57:40 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Maybe Oldgas is demanding you enquire into the Inquiry? Who knows? Pretty sure he doesn't. Yep he’s hard work . The other day he was claiming France had a population half the size of the UK 😂
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Post by Gassy on Nov 2, 2020 12:57:56 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Maybe Oldgas is demanding you enquire into the Inquiry? Who knows? Pretty sure he doesn't. Yep he’s hard work . The other day he was claiming France had a population half the size of the UK 😂 And only 400k Brits residing in the EU
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Post by baggins on Nov 2, 2020 13:30:18 GMT
Yep he’s hard work . The other day he was claiming France had a population half the size of the UK 😂 And only 400k Brits residing in the EU I'm surprised it's as few as that.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2020 13:39:56 GMT
And only 400k Brits residing in the EU I'm surprised it's as few as that. It’s not
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 2, 2020 13:47:32 GMT
Yep he’s hard work . The other day he was claiming France had a population half the size of the UK 😂 And only 400k Brits residing in the EU Diane Abbott-omics, per chance? 😀
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 16:27:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 17:04:53 GMT
The good law project really is one of the few decent things left in this liberal democracy.
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Post by baggins on Nov 2, 2020 17:38:19 GMT
Watch this story quietly go away.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 2, 2020 17:40:35 GMT
Watch this story quietly go away. Waste of time we may all think that but where's the evidence?
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Post by Gassy on Nov 13, 2020 19:42:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 20:08:25 GMT
Held to a different standard. It’s got to the point where it makes me laugh a bit when people say “I voted Tory because Corbyn was an anti-Semite”. Being known as the “nasty party” means that your own issues regarding race are over-looked because nobody expects any better. Labour are expected to keep their hands out of the public purse, have a faultless contract tendering system and be squeaky clean on race issues, the Conservatives, well, anything goes. No wonder we always end up saddled with a Tory government at every election, they can’t lose even when Labour have a competent candidate nevermind when it’s a figure like Corbyn.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 13, 2020 21:04:32 GMT
Held to a different standard. It’s got to the point where it makes me laugh a bit when people say “I voted Tory because Corbyn was an anti-Semite”. Being known as the “nasty party” means that your own issues regarding race are over-looked because nobody expects any better. Labour are expected to keep their hands out of the public purse, have a faultless contract tendering system and be squeaky clean on race issues, the Conservatives, well, anything goes. No wonder we always end up saddled with a Tory government at every election, they can’t lose even when Labour have a competent candidate nevermind when it’s a figure like Corbyn. It’s a bit like watching a football game isn’t it? The public are the referee and the opposition (Tory) just play them like a fiddle whilst Labour hasn’t learnt how to play the system yet. Edit: I’ve just realised. The Tories are like bloody Wycombe from last season
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 23:24:29 GMT
Held to a different standard. It’s got to the point where it makes me laugh a bit when people say “I voted Tory because Corbyn was an anti-Semite”. Being known as the “nasty party” means that your own issues regarding race are over-looked because nobody expects any better. Labour are expected to keep their hands out of the public purse, have a faultless contract tendering system and be squeaky clean on race issues, the Conservatives, well, anything goes. No wonder we always end up saddled with a Tory government at every election, they can’t lose even when Labour have a competent candidate nevermind when it’s a figure like Corbyn. It’s a bit like watching a football game isn’t it? The public are the referee and the opposition (Tory) just play them like a fiddle whilst Labour hasn’t learnt how to play the system yet. Edit: I’ve just realised. The Tories are like bloody Wycombe from last season But it begs a genuine question that I’d like to hear opinions on from anyone: Why is anti-semitism in Labour a well established issue whereas islamophobia in the Tory party isn’t? It’s quite clear accusations of islamophobia aren’t going away but it gets barely a murmur in the press and in the court of public opinion. It’s obviously a known issue to the party because Sajid Javid needlessly committed to that inquiry (referenced in the post earlier) live on TV. I think it’s a combination of factors: A) the media. This is the biggest factor by far, imo. The right wing press shouts the loudest and seems to have the most reach, so it can continue to smear Labour time and again (and hey, rightly so if they are guilty- this isn’t a post defending anti-semitism I just want to explore why Labour are known to have race issues and yet the Tory party isn’t despite them having an issue of their own in the public domain) B) as per my previous post- labour have more pressure on them to be squeaky clean. I think we enjoy it in this country when people who moralise are caught in double standards. If you never claimed to be anything other than a rotter people can’t shame you so therefore getting worked up about morality is pointless because your target just doesn’t care and has enough power that they don’t have to. Labour on the other hand could be seen to be quite preachy, especially with this gender wars stuff (another thing I dislike about the current Labour Party). C) people just don’t care? I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a tacit approval amongst the populace for islamophobia. Given the association of Islam in regards to terrorism it seems like there might be a few amongst the traditional Tory voting base who don’t see it as a problem however to the same people anti-semitism IS something to find abhorrent. I had some further factors in mind when I started typing this post out but I’m buggered if I can remember them 🙄 At the end of the day I don’t think either party has any moral high ground on race issues and if you vote for one of them you are acquiescing to it. I’m guilty on that score myself so as such I won’t try and defend labour or try and make out that labour are some whiter than white entity. I’m just a bit bemused that an argument I hear increasingly often at the moment is “I voted Tory because of Labour’s record on anti-semitism” which suggests that either they don’t really give a sh** about race issues at all or one kind of prejudice trumps another.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 23:41:01 GMT
That's like having a report saying that fish swim. Anything that doesn't align with conservative values and is seen as competition, is going to be attacked and eradicated. Muslims, trans, the poor, travellers, the left, immigrants, LGBT... All those issues that politicians use to whip up strong emotions. Attacks on those groups are seen as the correct thing to do, in order to preserve traditions. Trump, Johnson, Orban, Bolsonaro, Erdogan and other right wing leaders cut straight to the point and express extreme views.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 14, 2020 1:39:06 GMT
I've always thought the treatment of Corbyn was disgraceful, and most of the reports of Labours Anti-Semitism as absolute nonsense.
Having strong views about Israel doesn't mean it's Anti-Semitism.
Likewise having strong views about Islam doesn't mean it's Islamaphobia towards Muslims as individuals.
If there is proof of actual Anti-Semitism within the Labour Party, then I hope it gets out.
If othere is proof of actual Islamophobia within the Tory Party, I hope it gets out as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 10:12:38 GMT
It’s a bit like watching a football game isn’t it? The public are the referee and the opposition (Tory) just play them like a fiddle whilst Labour hasn’t learnt how to play the system yet. Edit: I’ve just realised. The Tories are like bloody Wycombe from last season But it begs a genuine question that I’d like to hear opinions on from anyone: Why is anti-semitism in Labour a well established issue whereas islamophobia in the Tory party isn’t? It’s quite clear accusations of islamophobia aren’t going away but it gets barely a murmur in the press and in the court of public opinion. It’s obviously a known issue to the party because Sajid Javid needlessly committed to that inquiry (referenced in the post earlier) live on TV. I think it’s a combination of factors: A) the media. This is the biggest factor by far, imo. The right wing press shouts the loudest and seems to have the most reach, so it can continue to smear Labour time and again (and hey, rightly so if they are guilty- this isn’t a post defending anti-semitism I just want to explore why Labour are known to have race issues and yet the Tory party isn’t despite them having an issue of their own in the public domain) B) as per my previous post- labour have more pressure on them to be squeaky clean. I think we enjoy it in this country when people who moralise are caught in double standards. If you never claimed to be anything other than a rotter people can’t shame you so therefore getting worked up about morality is pointless because your target just doesn’t care and has enough power that they don’t have to. Labour on the other hand could be seen to be quite preachy, especially with this gender wars stuff (another thing I dislike about the current Labour Party). C) people just don’t care? I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a tacit approval amongst the populace for islamophobia. Given the association of Islam in regards to terrorism it seems like there might be a few amongst the traditional Tory voting base who don’t see it as a problem however to the same people anti-semitism IS something to find abhorrent. I had some further factors in mind when I started typing this post out but I’m buggered if I can remember them 🙄 At the end of the day I don’t think either party has any moral high ground on race issues and if you vote for one of them you are acquiescing to it. I’m guilty on that score myself so as such I won’t try and defend labour or try and make out that labour are some whiter than white entity. I’m just a bit bemused that an argument I hear increasingly often at the moment is “I voted Tory because of Labour’s record on anti-semitism” which suggests that either they don’t really give a sh** about race issues at all or one kind of prejudice trumps another. Interesting points, perhaps too complex to go into on here. But will say that labour have done awful things in the past, the post-war welfare state was built on ruthless exploitation of UK colonies around the world, where else did the money come from? Often labour & Tories are barely distinguishable and MPs cross party lines. Labour are a liberal project, you vote for them, you feel better about yourself, job done, you can carry on with your life. Anti-semitism & islamophobia get lumped together but they are complex issues that are different in may ways.
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