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Post by peterparker on Jan 26, 2021 8:45:27 GMT
Thought it was interesting , not totally Brexit or Covid but about how our government have wasted billions of pounds of our money only to have the most deaths in Europe. So I opted for this thread 😀👍 I guess you could argue whether they've wasted the money or not,I see it as at least they made funding available,you can't micro manage other people's incompetence and the truth is governments have wasted money since time immemorial. My biggest annoyance with the vaccine stuff is the Government being disingenuous with the truth. They have actually done something well, but can't help themselves because it appears engrained in them 70% of over 70's have not been vaccinated, but have had the first dose. It's no less impressive, but saying vaccinated is the sort of spin that gets people calling for restrictions to end. They can't help themselves or temper any expectations |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 8:50:03 GMT
I guess you could argue whether they've wasted the money or not,I see it as at least they made funding available,you can't micro manage other people's incompetence and the truth is governments have wasted money since time immemorial. My biggest annoyance with the vaccine stuff is the Government being disingenuous with the truth. They have actually done something well, but can't help themselves because it appears engrained in them 70% of over 70's have not been vaccinated, but have had the first dose. It's no less impressive, but saying vaccinated is the sort of spin that gets people calling for restrictions to end. They can't help themselves or temper any expectations Exactly this. You get the feeling that Johnson must have been an unloved child such is his continuous desire for approval |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 26, 2021 10:52:20 GMT
My biggest annoyance with the vaccine stuff is the Government being disingenuous with the truth. They have actually done something well, but can't help themselves because it appears engrained in them 70% of over 70's have not been vaccinated, but have had the first dose. It's no less impressive, but saying vaccinated is the sort of spin that gets people calling for restrictions to end. They can't help themselves or temper any expectations Exactly this. You get the feeling that Johnson must have been an unloved child such is his continuous desire for approval Much like Trump😆😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 11:12:37 GMT
Exactly this. You get the feeling that Johnson must have been an unloved child such is his continuous desire for approval Much like Trump😆😆 Exactly. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 26, 2021 11:41:39 GMT
Seen flying over his home where's he's currently staying....  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 11:49:20 GMT
Seen flying over his home where's he's currently staying.... View AttachmentIts such a sterile area that place. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 27, 2021 10:26:52 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 12:54:40 GMT
Seen flying over his home where's he's currently staying.... View AttachmentObviously got blown off course from flying over Bidens house. Has he woken up yet? You have to say, the embalmers have done a magnificent job. BTW, I’m not saying this in support of Trump, but Biden will be a good POTUS? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2021 13:18:25 GMT
Seen flying over his home where's he's currently staying.... View AttachmentObviously got blown off course from flying over Bidens house. Has he woken up yet? You have to say, the embalmers have done a magnificent job. BTW, I’m not saying this in support of Trump, but Biden will be a good POTUS? International relations wise, he'll be more conciliatory such as rejoining the Paris Climate accord, better with allies and seems to have challenged Putin on the demonstration. Can't speak for a domestic voter but from the outside I'd say he will be less aggressive and less divisive. Just because someone thinks Trump is bad doesn’t mean anyone else has to be good. Plenty of middle ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 14:09:23 GMT
Obviously got blown off course from flying over Bidens house. Has he woken up yet? You have to say, the embalmers have done a magnificent job. BTW, I’m not saying this in support of Trump, but Biden will be a good POTUS? International relations wise, he'll be more conciliatory such as rejoining the Paris Climate accord, better with allies and seems to have challenged Putin on the demonstration. Can't speak for a domestic voter but from the outside I'd say he will be less aggressive and less divisive. Just because someone thinks Trump is bad doesn’t mean anyone else has to be good. Plenty of middle ground. What will be very interesting is tbe degree to which he and his team will take the learning from the Obama period when a progressive agenda became bogged down. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 28, 2021 10:59:50 GMT
Genuine question: should Boris resign?
I’m seeing a lot of resignation calls on social media atm, mostly due to his comments saying they’ve done everything they can to minimise deaths.
Which got me thinking, well yes - then he should, on that basis. With the 7th worst excess deaths in the world, one of the highest deaths in the world, one of the highest cases in the world and one of the worst affected GDP - all while saying that he’s done his best, is just admitting that he’s failed. Isn’t he?
As it happens I don’t think resigning right now would be good for stability, but once this pandemic is over, we will surely have to go?
Would be keen to hear the opinion from those on the right about the matter. Leave Brexit aside, just on the handling of the pandemic. If you feel he shouldn’t, why not?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 28, 2021 11:18:30 GMT
Genuine question: should Boris resign? I’m seeing a lot of resignation calls on social media atm, mostly due to his comments saying they’ve done everything they can to minimise deaths. Which got me thinking, well yes - then he should, on that basis. With the 7th worst excess deaths in the world, one of the highest deaths in the world, one of the highest cases in the world and one of the worst affected GDP - all while saying that he’s done his best, is just admitting that he’s failed. Isn’t he? As it happens I don’t think resigning right now would be good for stability, but once this pandemic is over, we will surely have to go? Would be keen to hear the opinion from those on the right about the matter. Leave Brexit aside, just on the handling of the pandemic. If you feel he shouldn’t, why not? My view is that he'll be off by mid-late 2022 regardless. Unless there is growing unease on the Conservative benches then calling for him to resign is a deflection and detracts from the job in hand. I think he is out of his depth as PM (and not just Brexit or Covid) but leaving now will not be the answer. Sunak and Gove (or whoever) will want someone to pin on the blame onto once either of them get the top job. In short, he should go in principle but in practice it won't help so little point in further distraction. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 28, 2021 11:22:06 GMT
Genuine question: should Boris resign? I’m seeing a lot of resignation calls on social media atm, mostly due to his comments saying they’ve done everything they can to minimise deaths. Which got me thinking, well yes - then he should, on that basis. With the 7th worst excess deaths in the world, one of the highest deaths in the world, one of the highest cases in the world and one of the worst affected GDP - all while saying that he’s done his best, is just admitting that he’s failed. Isn’t he? As it happens I don’t think resigning right now would be good for stability, but once this pandemic is over, we will surely have to go? Would be keen to hear the opinion from those on the right about the matter. Leave Brexit aside, just on the handling of the pandemic. If you feel he shouldn’t, why not? Its a very difficult challenge to face. I think you cant vote somebody in based on how well they would manage a pandemic. Its just not normal. You'd expect mistakes too. But for me, the sum of it is that you should apply a common sense approach as a minimum standard. Listen to the advisors and read the data. If it works great but if it doesn't, then you can confidently say you did your best. The problem with Boris is that with the exception of vaccine rollouts, he simply hasn't met that minimum expectation at all. Every single decision has been delayed, many have been wrong. There have been lies and bluster, covering rule breaking for those close to him, a massive lack of clarity generally, circuit breakers replaced by 1 hour earlier closing time, short-sightedness on schools and universities and the conflict effect, the care home fiasco, border issues, supply and preparedness issues. Above all else I would say this. Boris is too hesitant, indecisive and is unable to see the bigger picture. He should have made stronger decisions earlier to minimise impact in the long term. He didn't. I hate his politics sure but I also think he's has demonstrated that he doesn't have the attributes needed to deal with crisis. He's simply not a leader. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 11:26:39 GMT
Genuine question: should Boris resign? I’m seeing a lot of resignation calls on social media atm, mostly due to his comments saying they’ve done everything they can to minimise deaths. Which got me thinking, well yes - then he should, on that basis. With the 7th worst excess deaths in the world, one of the highest deaths in the world, one of the highest cases in the world and one of the worst affected GDP - all while saying that he’s done his best, is just admitting that he’s failed. Isn’t he? As it happens I don’t think resigning right now would be good for stability, but once this pandemic is over, we will surely have to go? Would be keen to hear the opinion from those on the right about the matter. Leave Brexit aside, just on the handling of the pandemic. If you feel he shouldn’t, why not? No way he'll relinquish power. Too much effort has gone in to the Boris persona for it to be squandered. On a slightly related note, have seen that France is heading back to its recent past and marine le pen is polling very well, so be careful what you wish for! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:13:07 GMT
Genuine question: should Boris resign? I’m seeing a lot of resignation calls on social media atm, mostly due to his comments saying they’ve done everything they can to minimise deaths. Which got me thinking, well yes - then he should, on that basis. With the 7th worst excess deaths in the world, one of the highest deaths in the world, one of the highest cases in the world and one of the worst affected GDP - all while saying that he’s done his best, is just admitting that he’s failed. Isn’t he? As it happens I don’t think resigning right now would be good for stability, but once this pandemic is over, we will surely have to go? Would be keen to hear the opinion from those on the right about the matter. Leave Brexit aside, just on the handling of the pandemic. If you feel he shouldn’t, why not? Its a very difficult challenge to face. I think you cant vote somebody in based on how well they would manage a pandemic. Its just not normal. You'd expect mistakes too. But for me, the sum of it is that you should apply a common sense approach as a minimum standard. Listen to the advisors and read the data. If it works great but if it doesn't, then you can confidently say you did your best. The problem with Boris is that with the exception of vaccine rollouts, he simply hasn't met that minimum expectation at all. Every single decision has been delayed, many have been wrong. There have been lies and bluster, covering rule breaking for those close to him, a massive lack of clarity generally, circuit breakers replaced by 1 hour earlier closing time, short-sightedness on schools and universities and the conflict effect, the care home fiasco, border issues, supply and preparedness issues. Above all else I would say this. Boris is too hesitant, indecisive and is unable to see the bigger picture. He should have made stronger decisions earlier to minimise impact in the long term. He didn't. I hate his politics sure but I also think he's has demonstrated that he doesn't have the attributes needed to deal with crisis. He's simply not a leader. Well put sir. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:28:52 GMT
Also Johnson & his cabinet have had no scruples in siphoning off cash to chums for dodgy PPE, so he is technically doing a good Tory job, he would get a promotion if it were possible.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2021 14:10:07 GMT
Seen flying over his home where's he's currently staying.... View AttachmentObviously got blown off course from flying over Bidens house. Has he woken up yet? You have to say, the embalmers have done a magnificent job. BTW, I’m not saying this in support of Trump, but Biden will be a good POTUS? Only time will tell, but the progressive agenda is already in full swing. You've already got celebrity Biden supporters claiming Donald Trump "Will go down in history with the likes of Adolf Hitler" 'Time for unity' they say yet villifying any one that voted for, supported Trump or simply leans more towards Republican. 'Unity' is also signing an executive order on day 1 to allow Males into Female Locker Rooms, Rest Rooms, Sports and Prisons. So in terms of International Relations, or economically in some aspects he maybe a good POTUS, Donald Trump did some "Good" stuff too. Lets wait and see. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 28, 2021 14:13:19 GMT
Obviously got blown off course from flying over Bidens house. Has he woken up yet? You have to say, the embalmers have done a magnificent job. BTW, I’m not saying this in support of Trump, but Biden will be a good POTUS? Only time will tell, but the progressive agenda is already in full swing. You've already got celebrity Biden supporters claiming Donald Trump "Will go down in history with the likes of Adolf Hitler" 'Time for unity' they say yet villifying any one that voted for, supported Trump or simply leans more towards Republican. 'Unity' is also signing an executive order on day 1 to allow Males into Female Locker Rooms, Rest Rooms, Sports and Prisons. So in terms of International Relations, or economically in some aspects he maybe a good POTUS, Donald Trump did some "Good" stuff too. Lets wait and see. I liked the stuff he did on climate change and the thing about the Mexican kids. #MAGA |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2021 14:15:06 GMT
Only time will tell, but the progressive agenda is already in full swing. You've already got celebrity Biden supporters claiming Donald Trump "Will go down in history with the likes of Adolf Hitler" 'Time for unity' they say yet villifying any one that voted for, supported Trump or simply leans more towards Republican. 'Unity' is also signing an executive order on day 1 to allow Males into Female Locker Rooms, Rest Rooms, Sports and Prisons. So in terms of International Relations, or economically in some aspects he maybe a good POTUS, Donald Trump did some "Good" stuff too. Lets wait and see. I liked the stuff he did on climate change and the thing about the Mexican kids. #MAGA We've been through this before. The previous president before him built them, and used them the same way. He gets a free pass though 👍 |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 28, 2021 14:17:20 GMT
I liked the stuff he did on climate change and the thing about the Mexican kids. #MAGA We've been through this before. The previous president before him built them, and used them the same way. He gets a free pass though 👍 I liked the swamp thing too. And how about that insurrection eh? The stuff of dreams #MAGA |
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