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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 14, 2021 12:57:03 GMT
Wasn't it supposed to be a bridge last year? Where will the customs checks be? It's Ireland to Scotland, by the time its built probably Carlisle. 😐 |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 14, 2021 13:10:34 GMT
Wasn't it supposed to be a bridge last year? Where will the customs checks be? It’s a secret tunnel , shhhh 🤫 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 19, 2021 16:48:14 GMT
"Matt Hancock acted unlawfully when his department did not reveal details of contracts it had signed during the Covid pandemic, a court has ruled. A judge said the health secretary had "breached his legal obligation" by not publishing details within 30 days of contracts being signed. The public had a right to know where the "vast" amounts spent had gone and how contracts were awarded, he added. The government said it fully recognised the "importance of transparency"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462 |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 19, 2021 16:51:23 GMT
"Matt Hancock acted unlawfully when his department did not reveal details of contracts it had signed during the Covid pandemic, a court has ruled. A judge said the health secretary had "breached his legal obligation" by not publishing details within 30 days of contracts being signed. The public had a right to know where the "vast" amounts spent had gone and how contracts were awarded, he added. The government said it fully recognised the "importance of transparency"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462Perhaps he was a bit busy |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 19, 2021 18:20:43 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56128879Boris Johnson's main adviser on keeping the UK together has departed, saying his position was made "untenable" by others within Downing Street. Oliver Lewis, an ally of the prime minister's former chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, was a key part of the campaign for the UK to leave the EU. —— I thought Boris said only he/the Tories could keep the Union together?
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Post by yattongas on Feb 21, 2021 23:07:12 GMT
Just read that this tunnel is going to have a roundabout under the Isle of Man .......
The suggestion would see three tunnels with starting points at Stranraer in in Scotland, Heysham in Lancashire, and one near Liverpool.
The plan, initially reported today, would see the three tunnels meet in a giant roundabout underneath the Isle of Man with a further tunnel to Ireland starting from there.
The Hendy review will also look at the feasibility of various other options designed to boost links to Scotland and Wales, including improving major roads like the A1
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 14:50:15 GMT
Supposed to be the party of strong defence, rarely has been to be honest. Take the article with a little pinch of salt but these stories have some validity, even if it's just suggesting something worse so people are relieved when it's not as bad.
These figures represent a quarter of our frigates (three of the four have just been upgraded), a third of our air defence fighters and over 10% in personnel.
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 22, 2021 15:32:30 GMT
Supposed to be the party of strong defence, rarely has been to be honest. Take the article with a little pinch of salt but these stories have some validity, even if it's just suggesting something worse so people are relieved when it's not as bad. These figures represent a quarter of our frigates (three of the four have just been upgraded), a third of our air defence fighters and over 10% in personnel. I don't get overly concerned by this as I ask myself the question "what our the Armed Forces for" If we stop interfering in other Countries just to impose our system of government,then we don't really need a large Navy,why do we have a Nuclear capability ,we wouldn't use it without US consent and if we have to were fooked anyway. So that leaves Nato,here we should contribute so land forces and RAF yes however we have to be realistic if the Russians want to roll over the plains of Central Europe they can and we won't be able to stop them. Navy nope wouldn't bother. |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 22, 2021 15:49:51 GMT
But I thought Corbyn was going to be the one to defund the army, making us susceptible to Russians etc?
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 15:54:55 GMT
Supposed to be the party of strong defence, rarely has been to be honest. Take the article with a little pinch of salt but these stories have some validity, even if it's just suggesting something worse so people are relieved when it's not as bad. These figures represent a quarter of our frigates (three of the four have just been upgraded), a third of our air defence fighters and over 10% in personnel. I don't get overly concerned by this as I ask myself the question "what our the Armed Forces for" If we stop interfering in other Countries just to impose our system of government,then we don't really need a large Navy,why do we have a Nuclear capability ,we wouldn't use it without US consent and if we have to were fooked anyway. So that leaves Nato,here we should contribute so land forces and RAF yes however we have to be realistic if the Russians want to roll over the plains of Central Europe they can and we won't be able to stop them. Navy nope wouldn't bother. I'd disagree on our contribution to NATO, it's an alliance so we bring those areas which we are good at and where other members are weaker. With so many continental contributions being army and air force, it's naval forces that we should concentrate on. The post war (Cold War) role of the navy was to keep sea lanes open for supplies and men/materials from America and Canada, precisely those ships (frigates) we have greatly reduced and are proposing to cut again. The point I was trying to make, though, was that despite the mantra not long said by Boris about growing the navy, there is in fact, proposals to do the exact opposite. Add to that those particular ships have just had money spent on them to stay in service longer. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 15:56:50 GMT
But I thought Corbyn was going to be the one to defund the army, making us susceptible to Russians etc? Contrary to popular belief, Labour tend to fund the armed forces as it provides jobs, especially in aerospace and ship building. Both parties are pretty poor though. No votes in defence. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 22, 2021 17:38:25 GMT
I don't get overly concerned by this as I ask myself the question "what our the Armed Forces for" If we stop interfering in other Countries just to impose our system of government,then we don't really need a large Navy,why do we have a Nuclear capability ,we wouldn't use it without US consent and if we have to were fooked anyway. So that leaves Nato,here we should contribute so land forces and RAF yes however we have to be realistic if the Russians want to roll over the plains of Central Europe they can and we won't be able to stop them. Navy nope wouldn't bother. I'd disagree on our contribution to NATO, it's an alliance so we bring those areas which we are good at and where other members are weaker. With so many continental contributions being army and air force, it's naval forces that we should concentrate on. The post war (Cold War) role of the navy was to keep sea lanes open for supplies and men/materials from America and Canada, precisely those ships (frigates) we have greatly reduced and are proposing to cut again. The point I was trying to make, though, was that despite the mantra not long said by Boris about growing the navy, there is in fact, proposals to do the exact opposite. Add to that those particular ships have just had money spent on them to stay in service longer. That is true,on the balance of risk though I would rather they spend more money on our kids education etc post pandemic than a few frigates. |
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Post by blueridge on Feb 22, 2021 17:48:33 GMT
Supposed to be the party of strong defence, rarely has been to be honest. Take the article with a little pinch of salt but these stories have some validity, even if it's just suggesting something worse so people are relieved when it's not as bad. These figures represent a quarter of our frigates (three of the four have just been upgraded), a third of our air defence fighters and over 10% in personnel. I don't get overly concerned by this as I ask myself the question "what our the Armed Forces for" If we stop interfering in other Countries just to impose our system of government,then we don't really need a large Navy,why do we have a Nuclear capability ,we wouldn't use it without US consent and if we have to were fooked anyway. So that leaves Nato,here we should contribute so land forces and RAF yes however we have to be realistic if the Russians want to roll over the plains of Central Europe they can and we won't be able to stop them. Navy nope wouldn't bother. The Type 23 Frigates are 30 years old and the planning to replace these have be ongoing for well over 15 years. The Type 26 Frigates will start coming into service in next 2/3 years to replace them, followed by the Type 31’s & Type 32’s later in the 2020’s. We already have arguably one of the best Type 45 Daring Class Destroyer Fleets in the world. Add to that The Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers and Astute Class (boats) Submarines - a lot of money is being spent with much if not all of the surface fleet being built in Scotland. The boats (submarines) are built in Barrow-in-Furness. It’s highly unlikely any new surface fleet will be built in Scotland if Scotland ever gain independence. edit: as part of our ongoing NATO commitments we are expected to spend circa 2% of our GDP - we spend slightly more. All this is outside of the replacement Vanguard Submarine nuclear deterrent programme - which is an enormous spend. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 19:13:02 GMT
I don't get overly concerned by this as I ask myself the question "what our the Armed Forces for" If we stop interfering in other Countries just to impose our system of government,then we don't really need a large Navy,why do we have a Nuclear capability ,we wouldn't use it without US consent and if we have to were fooked anyway. So that leaves Nato,here we should contribute so land forces and RAF yes however we have to be realistic if the Russians want to roll over the plains of Central Europe they can and we won't be able to stop them. Navy nope wouldn't bother. The Type 23 Frigates are 30 years old and the planning to replace these have be ongoing for well over 15 years. The Type 26 Frigates will start coming into service in next 2/3 years to replace them, followed by the Type 31’s & Type 32’s later in the 2020’s. We already have arguably one of the best Type 45 Daring Class Destroyer Fleets in the world. Add to that The Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers and Astute Class (boats) Submarines - a lot of money is being spent with much if not all of the surface fleet being built in Scotland. The boats (submarines) are built in Barrow-in-Furness. It’s highly unlikely any new surface fleet will be built in Scotland if Scotland ever gain independence. edit: as part of our ongoing NATO commitments we are expected to spend circa 2% of our GDP - we spend slightly more. All this is outside of the replacement Vanguard Submarine nuclear deterrent programme - which is an enormous spend. All true, although the T31s will be built at Rosyth and the first T26 won't be available until 2028. Ships will be built in Scotland until at least the mid 2030s regardless of whether Scotland leaves or not. I think what is proposed is a gapping of hull numbers until the T31s hit the water from 2024 onwards when there will be a slow build up of numbers. We won't go above the current 13 frigates and probably stay well short. |
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Post by blueridge on Feb 22, 2021 19:34:40 GMT
The Type 23 Frigates are 30 years old and the planning to replace these have be ongoing for well over 15 years. The Type 26 Frigates will start coming into service in next 2/3 years to replace them, followed by the Type 31’s & Type 32’s later in the 2020’s. We already have arguably one of the best Type 45 Daring Class Destroyer Fleets in the world. Add to that The Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers and Astute Class (boats) Submarines - a lot of money is being spent with much if not all of the surface fleet being built in Scotland. The boats (submarines) are built in Barrow-in-Furness. It’s highly unlikely any new surface fleet will be built in Scotland if Scotland ever gain independence. edit: as part of our ongoing NATO commitments we are expected to spend circa 2% of our GDP - we spend slightly more. All this is outside of the replacement Vanguard Submarine nuclear deterrent programme - which is an enormous spend. All true, although the T31s will be built at Rosyth and the first T26 won't be available until 2028. Ships will be built in Scotland until at least the mid 2030s regardless of whether Scotland leaves or not. I think what is proposed is a gapping of hull numbers until the T31s hit the water from 2024 onwards when there will be a slow build up of numbers. We won't go above the current 13 frigates and probably stay well short. Thanks for the update Stuart - thought the 31’s were scheduled for Cammell Laird in Birkenhead. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 20:29:14 GMT
All true, although the T31s will be built at Rosyth and the first T26 won't be available until 2028. Ships will be built in Scotland until at least the mid 2030s regardless of whether Scotland leaves or not. I think what is proposed is a gapping of hull numbers until the T31s hit the water from 2024 onwards when there will be a slow build up of numbers. We won't go above the current 13 frigates and probably stay well short. Thanks for the update Stuart - thought the 31’s were scheduled for Cammell Laird in Birkenhead. They had tied up with BAe Systems but another design was chosen with Rosyth receiving a big infrastructure upgrade. That said, they could well build sections as subcontractors or wait for other ships, such as the new support ships, to be ordered. The future should be good along with the Clyde, Rosyth, Belfast and Appledore in Devon, as all were named by Boris as getting orders in the coming years for different programmes. |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 22, 2021 20:45:27 GMT
Now I know how my gf feels when I talk about Rovers with my dad...
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Post by yattongas on Feb 22, 2021 21:05:40 GMT
Is it not preventing cyber warfare where we should be spending the budget going forward ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 22, 2021 21:13:51 GMT
Now I know how my gf feels when I talk about Rovers with my dad... If you ever suffer with insomnia, I'm on hand to explain. 😀 |
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Post by matealotblue on Feb 22, 2021 21:24:00 GMT
Is it not preventing cyber warfare where we should be spending the budget going forward ? 77 Brigade....🤫 You never heard it from me Ok...🤐 |
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