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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 5, 2021 16:56:45 GMT
Some interesting figures care of the Beeb: www.bbc.co.uk/news/56294009"This particular body looks at almost 1.5 million people, including nurses, midwives and health assistants, working for the NHS across the UK. They do not include doctors, dentists and some senior staff, who have their own pay bodies or agreements. Inflation is under 1% but the Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that it will rise to 1.5% this year, which would make the 1% increase a real-terms cut. Currently almost half the NHS's budget goes on staffing costs - a total of £56.1bn. So a 1% pay increase across the board would equate to more than £500m a year. For example, a newly qualified nurse starting in 2020-21 would be earning about 3% less than one who started in 2010-11, once we account for inflation and the impact of pay freezes and caps. Nurses are just one part of the NHS workforce and the pay agreement implemented in 2018-19 affected different staff members in different ways. For example, the agreement meant the wages of those in the very lowest pay band, such as housekeeping or security staff, increased by almost 30% over the past three years. Staff at the top of their pay bands would have had a smaller pay increase. And it's important to point out that the pay of many NHS staff increases automatically each year anyway, as their experience grows and they move up within pay bands." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 17:18:05 GMT
Some interesting figures care of the Beeb: www.bbc.co.uk/news/56294009"This particular body looks at almost 1.5 million people, including nurses, midwives and health assistants, working for the NHS across the UK. They do not include doctors, dentists and some senior staff, who have their own pay bodies or agreements. Inflation is under 1% but the Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that it will rise to 1.5% this year, which would make the 1% increase a real-terms cut. Currently almost half the NHS's budget goes on staffing costs - a total of £56.1bn. So a 1% pay increase across the board would equate to more than £500m a year. For example, a newly qualified nurse starting in 2020-21 would be earning about 3% less than one who started in 2010-11, once we account for inflation and the impact of pay freezes and caps. Nurses are just one part of the NHS workforce and the pay agreement implemented in 2018-19 affected different staff members in different ways. For example, the agreement meant the wages of those in the very lowest pay band, such as housekeeping or security staff, increased by almost 30% over the past three years. Staff at the top of their pay bands would have had a smaller pay increase. And it's important to point out that the pay of many NHS staff increases automatically each year anyway, as their experience grows and they move up within pay bands." Far too complex to summarise in a paragraph or 4 isn't it. Basically the cost of living is rapidly accelerating whilst a lot of people are being left behind. House prices and rents are up in order to cater for a generations retirement, whilst everyone else who isn't in a well paid job is treated as just unlucky and told to work harder or to get lucky. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2021 13:36:46 GMT
I see Baroness Harding has been defending 'NHS' Test and Trace saying that it has done everything asked of it, despite the Public Accounts Committee saying it had made 'no clear impact' in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic.
Lets look at some numbers.
Entire UK Primary Care budget - £9 Billion
Entire UK Police Budget - £15 Billion
Entire UK Fire Service Budget - £3 Billion
Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million
Money handed out to a retired jockey to run Test and Trace - £37 Billion.
Please tell me, in very simple terms, why the UK shouldn't be asking for a refund?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 8:29:25 GMT
I see Baroness Harding has been defending 'NHS' Test and Trace saying that it has done everything asked of it, despite the Public Accounts Committee saying it had made 'no clear impact' in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic. Lets look at some numbers. Entire UK Primary Care budget - £9 Billion Entire UK Police Budget - £15 Billion Entire UK Fire Service Budget - £3 Billion Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million Money handed out to a retired jockey to run Test and Trace - £37 Billion. Please tell me, in very simple terms, why the UK shouldn't be asking for a refund? They'll set up another £37 billion fund, for Serco to track and trace the original £37 billion. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2021 8:34:28 GMT
Good news here, Carrie is an environmentalist so expect more of this from Boris who I believe shares her views. "Boris Johnson is handing more government cash to the Tories' "Red Wall" areas, with almost £100m to build offshore wind power projects and create 6,000 new jobs in Teesside and Humberside. The prime minister is pledging £75m in government funding for the Able Marine Energy Park, on the south bank of the Humber, and £20m for the Teesworks Offshore Manufacturing Centre, on the Tees." news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-pledges-95m-to-build-offshore-wind-power-projects-in-red-wall-areas-12242198 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2021 9:15:38 GMT
Don't get me wrong, the charge sheet is still one sided. Everything is a balance between short term pragmatism and medium to long term investment. While I would rather they didn't do the damaging parts and money obviously is a factor, I prefer the longer term aim having started than continuing to be a can kicking exercise. |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 11, 2021 9:20:18 GMT
I see Baroness Harding has been defending 'NHS' Test and Trace saying that it has done everything asked of it, despite the Public Accounts Committee saying it had made 'no clear impact' in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic. Lets look at some numbers. Entire UK Primary Care budget - £9 Billion Entire UK Police Budget - £15 Billion Entire UK Fire Service Budget - £3 Billion Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million Money handed out to a retired jockey to run Test and Trace - £37 Billion. Please tell me, in very simple terms, why the UK shouldn't be asking for a refund? You’re not Dianne Abbot by any chance are you! Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million? Suggest you re-visit the numbers - I’ll give you a starting point. If you’re suggesting exclusively for Nursing rather than the whole NHS - circa 700k nurses average salary £30k (could be higher) or for the whole of NHS circa £1.2 million average salary circa £27k. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 11, 2021 9:42:02 GMT
I see Baroness Harding has been defending 'NHS' Test and Trace saying that it has done everything asked of it, despite the Public Accounts Committee saying it had made 'no clear impact' in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic. Lets look at some numbers. Entire UK Primary Care budget - £9 Billion Entire UK Police Budget - £15 Billion Entire UK Fire Service Budget - £3 Billion Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million Money handed out to a retired jockey to run Test and Trace - £37 Billion. Please tell me, in very simple terms, why the UK shouldn't be asking for a refund? You’re not Dianne Abbot by any chance are you! Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million? Suggest you re-visit the numbers - I’ll give you a starting point. If you’re suggesting exclusively for Nursing rather than the whole NHS - circa 700k nurses average salary £30k (could be higher) or for the whole of NHS circa £1.2 million average salary circa £27k. Firstly, I didn't work out the figures, it was grabbed from another post. Reckon by what you say regarding average salary and numbers, 5% is about what £1bn? Still not much when you follow it to the £37bn figure at the bottom is it? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2021 9:45:20 GMT
You’re not Dianne Abbot by any chance are you! Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million? Suggest you re-visit the numbers - I’ll give you a starting point. If you’re suggesting exclusively for Nursing rather than the whole NHS - circa 700k nurses average salary £30k (could be higher) or for the whole of NHS circa £1.2 million average salary circa £27k. Firstly, I didn't work out the figures, it was grabbed from another post. Reckon by what you say regarding average salary and numbers, 5% is about what £1bn? Still not much when you follow it to the £37bn figure at the bottom is it? The BBC article I posted the other day suggested the 1% pay rise for the 1.5m staff affected would cost £500m pa. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 11, 2021 9:49:14 GMT
Firstly, I didn't work out the figures, it was grabbed from another post. Reckon by what you say regarding average salary and numbers, 5% is about what £1bn? Still not much when you follow it to the £37bn figure at the bottom is it? The BBC article I posted the other day suggested the 1% pay rise for the 1.5m staff affected would cost £500m pa. Even if you take my revised figure of £1bn, it still leaves £9bn change from the £37bn spent on T&T. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 11, 2021 9:54:26 GMT
The BBC article I posted the other day suggested the 1% pay rise for the 1.5m staff affected would cost £500m pa. Even if you take my revised figure of £1bn, it still leaves £9bn change from the £37bn spent on T&T. 37billion is £4,500 spent for every person in the uk . Amazing value . |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 11, 2021 9:57:28 GMT
The BBC article I posted the other day suggested the 1% pay rise for the 1.5m staff affected would cost £500m pa. Even if you take my revised figure of £1bn, it still leaves £9bn change from the £37bn spent on T&T. They are enormous numbers. I’m not trying to defend anything here but I’m pretty sure I’ve read somewhere, without looking it up again, that the actual spend is a long way off the budget whatever that number is. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2021 10:15:04 GMT
From the Executive Summary by the PAC: "Up to November 2020, NHST&T had spent £5.7 billion, although it has been allocated far more (£37 billion over two years). The Department of Health & Social Care justified the scale of investment, in part, on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown; but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns. There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic has justified its costs." Meg Hillier MP, Chair of the Public Accounts Committee, said: "The £22 billion for test and trace is about the annual budget of the Department for Transport. Test and Trace still continues to pay for consultants at £1000 a day. Yet despite the unimaginable resources thrown at this project Test and Trace cannot point to a measurable difference to the progress of the pandemic, and the promise on which this huge expense was justified - avoiding another lockdown – has been broken, twice. DHSC and NHST&T must rapidly turn around these fortunes and begin to demonstrate the worth and value of this staggering investment of taxpayers' money. Not only is it essential it delivers an effective system as pupils return to school and more people return to their workplace, but for the £billions spent we need to see a top class legacy system. British taxpayers cannot be treated by Government like an ATM machine. We need to see a clear plan and costs better controlled." committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/ |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 11, 2021 11:18:54 GMT
From the Executive Summary by the PAC: "Up to November 2020, NHST&T had spent £5.7 billion, although it has been allocated far more (£37 billion over two years). The Department of Health & Social Care justified the scale of investment, in part, on the basis that an effective test and trace system would help avoid a second national lockdown; but since its creation we have had two more lockdowns. There is still no clear evidence to judge NHST&T’s overall effectiveness. It is unclear whether its specific contribution to reducing infection levels, as opposed to the other measures introduced to tackle the pandemic has justified its costs." Meg Hillier MP, Chair of the Public Accounts Committee, said: "The £22 billion for test and trace is about the annual budget of the Department for Transport. Test and Trace still continues to pay for consultants at £1000 a day. Yet despite the unimaginable resources thrown at this project Test and Trace cannot point to a measurable difference to the progress of the pandemic, and the promise on which this huge expense was justified - avoiding another lockdown – has been broken, twice. DHSC and NHST&T must rapidly turn around these fortunes and begin to demonstrate the worth and value of this staggering investment of taxpayers' money. Not only is it essential it delivers an effective system as pupils return to school and more people return to their workplace, but for the £billions spent we need to see a top class legacy system. British taxpayers cannot be treated by Government like an ATM machine. We need to see a clear plan and costs better controlled." committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/150988/unimaginable-cost-of-test-trace-failed-to-deliver-central-promise-of-averting-another-lockdown/I'm not sure how easy it is to evidence a benefit, it's not like their producing widgets. My assumption is it has to be judged on performance targets ie: turnaround in tests now 83%. Also,it has to be about future avoidance of problems ie: if you contact 9m people and they isolate that must reduce the level of the pandemic. Finally,they have to leave a well oiled legacy operation. What I would also say is that to build a massive distributive operation based on person to to person contact on this scale despite the obivious issues that have occurred is some achievement, I know because I have done it on a smaller scale. You need ,premises,staff,training,technology,organisational and operational structures, robust comms links etc etc. The usual timescale to achieve optimum performance from start is up to 3 years and this operation is enormous. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2021 22:16:25 GMT
May be some changes on the coal mine, perhaps. "A public inquiry will be held into plans for the UK's first deep coal mine in 30 years after a government U-turn. Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick has now decided to "call in" the controversial application for a new mine near Whitehaven, Cumbria. The government previously chose not to intervene over Cumbria County Council's approval of the plan. This was despite campaigners expressing environmental concerns and ministers being accused of hypocrisy as they focus on carbon-reducing efforts ahead of hosting the international COP26 climate change summit in Glasgow this year." news.sky.com/story/public-inquiry-to-be-held-into-cumbria-coal-mine-plans-after-government-u-turn-12243229 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 11, 2021 23:14:02 GMT
British wind for British wind turbines 🇬🇧
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Post by yattongas on Mar 11, 2021 23:31:32 GMT
I see Baroness Harding has been defending 'NHS' Test and Trace saying that it has done everything asked of it, despite the Public Accounts Committee saying it had made 'no clear impact' in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic. Lets look at some numbers. Entire UK Primary Care budget - £9 Billion Entire UK Police Budget - £15 Billion Entire UK Fire Service Budget - £3 Billion Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million Money handed out to a retired jockey to run Test and Trace - £37 Billion. Please tell me, in very simple terms, why the UK shouldn't be asking for a refund? You’re not Dianne Abbot by any chance are you! Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million? Suggest you re-visit the numbers - I’ll give you a starting point. If you’re suggesting exclusively for Nursing rather than the whole NHS - circa 700k nurses average salary £30k (could be higher) or for the whole of NHS circa £1.2 million average salary circa £27k. Don’t you mean pritti Patel ? "three hundred thousand, and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand" |
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Post by francegas on Mar 12, 2021 7:18:04 GMT
You’re not Dianne Abbot by any chance are you! Cost of 5% pay rise for NHS nurses - £500 million? Suggest you re-visit the numbers - I’ll give you a starting point. If you’re suggesting exclusively for Nursing rather than the whole NHS - circa 700k nurses average salary £30k (could be higher) or for the whole of NHS circa £1.2 million average salary circa £27k. Don’t you mean pritti Patel ? "three hundred thousand, and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand" No I'm sure he meant Diane Abbott the Shadow Home secretary who was going to recruit 10,000 new police officers and pay them £30 a year if elected. 😂😂😂 |
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