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Post by singupgas on Jan 11, 2021 17:57:02 GMT
Alfie right now is at his level, he looks a league 1 defender at best. No doubt he can develop and add quality to his game. But watching us play Sheffield utd, he had a good game, but the number of times they beat him to the ball or ran past him was there for all to see.
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Post by axegas on Jan 11, 2021 18:03:54 GMT
What Alfie needed was to be part of a back four, a run of games and a bit of confidence instilled into him, all of which he’s got from Tisdale and was lacking from Garner. He’s made the position his own and re-found the form that got us all so excited about his potential and sell on value under Coughlan.
He’s not the complete article just yet but he’s 22 and looking comfortable in league one, which is hugely promising.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2021 18:05:21 GMT
Alfie right now is at his level, he looks a league 1 defender at best. No doubt he can develop and add quality to his game. But watching us play Sheffield utd, he had a good game, but the number of times they beat him to the ball or ran past him was there for all to see. Hardly fair to compare him to Premiership strikers when his next step up is either to a top 6 L1 side or a lower Championship side.
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Post by hardingegas on Jan 11, 2021 18:10:39 GMT
Similarly, with Lockyer, doesn't have pace now required in the Premiership but can carve out a good career in the Championship.
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Post by holywoodgas on Jan 11, 2021 18:38:10 GMT
Great news and a huge show of intent by the club.
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Post by dcr on Jan 11, 2021 18:53:54 GMT
Great news and a huge show of intent by the club.
Was news 6 Months ago
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Post by endicotton on Jan 11, 2021 18:57:31 GMT
Great news and a huge show of intent by the club.
Was news 6 Months ago
If he didn't hear it back then, it's 'news' to him UTG
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 11, 2021 19:11:10 GMT
Let's not get too excited. It's not that long ago he was struggling to get in the matchday squad.
I'm really pleased that Kilgour has returned to form. His best position is one of the two centre backs in a flat back 4. He still needs an experienced partner in the middle to help him out. Fully understandable as Kilgour is still very young and learning about the game. He thrived with Craig last season and Baldwin or Ehmer need to show more leadership at the back.
The downside with Alfie is his pace. I suspect that deficiency will limit his career progression beyond the Championship. I would love to be proved wrong on that.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 11, 2021 19:24:11 GMT
We need to tie Sam Nicholson down to a longer contract as he could be worth up to a million pounds if he continues his form from this season into the next. Also Hanlon as theres definitely a 20+ goal a season player next season.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 11, 2021 20:51:34 GMT
Let's not get too excited. It's not that long ago he was struggling to get in the matchday squad. I'm really pleased that Kilgour has returned to form. His best position is one of the two centre backs in a flat back 4. He still needs an experienced partner in the middle to help him out. Fully understandable as Kilgour is still very young and learning about the game. He thrived with Craig last season and Baldwin or Ehmer need to show more leadership at the back. The downside with Alfie is his pace. I suspect that deficiency will limit his career progression beyond the Championship. I would love to be proved wrong on that. Interesting, best central defender I have ever seen was Bobby Moore,he had no pace but was a wonderful reader of the game and very little got past him ,the game against Brazil in 1970 was a masterclass in defending. Always a chance for AK to progress if he can develop his reading of the game.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 11, 2021 21:03:23 GMT
Let's not get too excited. It's not that long ago he was struggling to get in the matchday squad. I'm really pleased that Kilgour has returned to form. His best position is one of the two centre backs in a flat back 4. He still needs an experienced partner in the middle to help him out. Fully understandable as Kilgour is still very young and learning about the game. He thrived with Craig last season and Baldwin or Ehmer need to show more leadership at the back. The downside with Alfie is his pace. I suspect that deficiency will limit his career progression beyond the Championship. I would love to be proved wrong on that. Interesting, best central defender I have ever seen was Bobby Moore,he had no pace but was a wonderful reader of the game and very little got past him ,the game against Brazil in 1970 was a masterclass in defending. Always a chance for AK to progress if he can develop his reading of the game. Never remember Alan Hansen having loads of pace but quality defender
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 21:14:11 GMT
Let's not get too excited. It's not that long ago he was struggling to get in the matchday squad. I'm really pleased that Kilgour has returned to form. His best position is one of the two centre backs in a flat back 4. He still needs an experienced partner in the middle to help him out. Fully understandable as Kilgour is still very young and learning about the game. He thrived with Craig last season and Baldwin or Ehmer need to show more leadership at the back. The downside with Alfie is his pace. I suspect that deficiency will limit his career progression beyond the Championship. I would love to be proved wrong on that. A fair summary, I like Kilgour - he’s got to be one of my favourite players. I think we need to remember as well that last season was his debut season in the first team. The fact that we forget that detail summarises how good he as as while he may be learning his trade, he has a very sensible head in young shoulders. I see no reason why Kilgour won’t go on to play in the Prem. Sure he most likely go into be playing Champions League football, but he’s god a great future ahead of him.
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Post by wider on Jan 11, 2021 21:57:27 GMT
As Gassy says, last season saw Alfie’s debut which I, along with many others (I suspect) had forgotten. Glad he is on a long term contract, especially after the showcase on Saturday against a Premiership side. He didn’t look that slow when McGoldrick tried to run by him. That reminded me of a Bobby Moore tackle (is there higher praise). Whilst here can I have a moan about the Evil Post? They keep getting facts wrong, they contradict themselves and their research is incredibly lasy - they often quote bits from Wikipedia verbatim! For example in current articles Alfie is both 22 and 23. He’s a Bristolian (he was born in Bath, went to school in Melksham and Bradford on Avon) and joined Rovers as a 7 year old and an 8 year old. Wikipedia quotes a birthdate that makes him 22 (May 98) but says he’s Bristolian so what’s reliable? I grew up with the adage “Don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers” but where do you go for reliable information (except GasChat of course 😂).
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Post by BrightonGas on Jan 11, 2021 22:01:36 GMT
He's looked great under GC and PT but shocking under BG. What's the common denominator? GGMI misleading everything with an old thread? 😀
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 11, 2021 22:47:49 GMT
Alfie is going to be a very good player for us. He’s still very young and is still learning the game. Whilst he looks to be missing Tony C, its part of his football education that he now doesn’t have his mentor playing alongside him. He’s got to learn to stand on his own two feet, albeit part of a team. He will get better as the season progresses. What he will have to do to make up for his lack of pace is learn to anticipate, to read the game better. When faced with pace he does struggle but so do most defenders. Bobby Moore was a great defender obviously but he was often beaten for speed but learnt to read the game and anticipate. Not sure that Alfie will play higher than League 1, the next few years will determine how good he is. GC always spoke of him as a future captain which shows his leadership potential. Perhaps Alfie is one of those players who steps up in performance when given greater responsibility. His strengths in the air, physical strength and even shooting ability should be built on and in Tis I think he has a manager who will look after him, develop him and help him reach his full potential. He is obviously better in a back 4 but for that to happen Max E has had to move to a FB position. One of the problems of the recruitment in the Summer I guess though that’s easy to say with hindsight. The lower leagues are full of young CHs who people talked about as possible PL players. Ryan Sweeney who Stoke signed from AFC Wimbledon but didn’t make it, comes to mind. I hope we can just enjoy having a local lad doing well, learning the game and helping us to move up the league without too many expectations being put on him. That he signed a longer contract back in the Summer was a great piece of business. UTG!
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Post by playtowin on Jan 12, 2021 9:12:46 GMT
Being selfish...we could hope that Alfie is a great league one/lower championship defender. That way nobody will offer big money for so Rovers get to keep him. Then prosper from having him in the team.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 12, 2021 10:26:53 GMT
Not to worried about Alfie's perceived lack of pace, very few central defenders are renowned for there speed and very few of even the best are comfortable when faced with having to turn and keep pace with a forward ,the secret is to read the game so you limit the number of times you get caught in that situation, as others have said Bobby Moore being the perfect example. Tony Craig used, and is still using his experience to avoid getting caught out for pace and is a very good reader of a game IMHO. Central defenders are at there best facing forward and not being forced to turn and chase, Alfie will be fine , but its a shame he did not get the benefit of another year with Tony Craig.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 12, 2021 10:46:08 GMT
I think, when you look at the Shef utd 2nd Goal and we can debate whether it was a foul or not but we had a covering player in Upson, just happened that the Shef fella was a lot quicker. If we managed to get a pacy DM would that negate the need for Alfie and Jack to be super speedy? Probably going be totally dependent on the situation
Also as a side note... imagine we signed a RB... who would be your CB pair?
Thanks
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Post by hardingegas on Jan 12, 2021 11:49:08 GMT
In reply to the back four question I think Ehmer would be the more comfortable as the left sided central defender but didn't Kilgour play there when Davies was in the team?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2021 12:38:57 GMT
I think, when you look at the Shef utd 2nd Goal and we can debate whether it was a foul or not but we had a covering player in Upson, just happened that the Shef fella was a lot quicker. If we managed to get a pacy DM would that negate the need for Alfie and Jack to be super speedy? Probably going be totally dependent on the situation Also as a side note... imagine we signed a RB... who would be your CB pair? Thanks Or teach a DCM the dark arts of a convinent block or tug of the shirt etc?
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