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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2020 9:59:01 GMT
Very interesting. Short term it looks like there won't be much impact; Ipswich, based on their calculations, can still afford to go out this summer and get 4-5 Players at £5k per week should they wish to. Also, players aged 21 or under don't count towards the salary cap or the senior squad players. Next summer onward will be when things really mix up, when contracts start to expire, there will a lot of good players looking at significant pay cuts or desperately trying to find themselves a Championship club. Plus players currently 21 (Ipswich have 7!) will suddenly count towards the squad size restriction so clubs will be having to trim players. Any talented teenagers will become seriously in demand. It means we are unlikely to off load player's like Bennett, or if we do, we will still be paying towards their wages. Especially if they had y to drop to league 2 where the average wage will be less than 2k a week. Think the 1.3 average was for League 2, not seen the figure for League 1 yet. But I expect the average wage in League 1 is higher than 1.3k a week. Also means we will struggle to give JCH a new deal now. As if we gave him a 3 year deal on 4k a week, it will hit our budget for years. It means a bigger League 1 club kind Ipswich will struggle to sign him as well now though. But if a Championship club comes in, we will have no chance. Expect he would have left of a Championship club came in anyway. But now I think he will probally run his contact down. Hope I'm wrong though. Why can't we still give JCH £4 p.w. the average salary we can give is £2K p.w. so we just need to offer the likes of Kelly & Hare no more than £1K p.w. and all three players are still only costing us £6 p.w.? I can't see the new budget having any real effect on us whilst we remain at the Mem and our turnover is around £6m. The only clubs it will effect are the bigger club who get stuck in L1 for more than a couple of years but where did spending £4m+ on wages really get Pompey & Sunderland last year?
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 8, 2020 10:22:13 GMT
It means we are unlikely to off load player's like Bennett, or if we do, we will still be paying towards their wages. Especially if they had y to drop to league 2 where the average wage will be less than 2k a week. Think the 1.3 average was for League 2, not seen the figure for League 1 yet. But I expect the average wage in League 1 is higher than 1.3k a week. Also means we will struggle to give JCH a new deal now. As if we gave him a 3 year deal on 4k a week, it will hit our budget for years. It means a bigger League 1 club kind Ipswich will struggle to sign him as well now though. But if a Championship club comes in, we will have no chance. Expect he would have left of a Championship club came in anyway. But now I think he will probally run his contact down. Hope I'm wrong though. Why can't we still give JCH £4 p.w. the average salary we can give is £2K p.w. so we just need to offer the likes of Kelly & Hare no more than £1K p.w. and all three players are still only costing us £6 p.w.? I can't see the new budget having any real effect on us whilst we remain at the Mem and our turnover is around £6m. The only clubs it will effect are the bigger club who get stuck in L1 for more than a couple of years but where did spending £4m+ on wages really get Pompey & Sunderland last year? So if Hare has a good season, he will be happy to stay for 1k a week, when someone else is getting 4k?? I used 4k as an example, but wouldn't be suprised if he wants more than that. A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension.
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Post by clampdown on Aug 8, 2020 10:32:55 GMT
A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension. You're spot on. He would be mad to sign an extension. My guess is he'll see out his contract and move to a championship club as a free agent.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 8, 2020 10:33:02 GMT
Why can't we still give JCH £4 p.w. the average salary we can give is £2K p.w. so we just need to offer the likes of Kelly & Hare no more than £1K p.w. and all three players are still only costing us £6 p.w.? I can't see the new budget having any real effect on us whilst we remain at the Mem and our turnover is around £6m. The only clubs it will effect are the bigger club who get stuck in L1 for more than a couple of years but where did spending £4m+ on wages really get Pompey & Sunderland last year? So if Hare has a good season, he will be happy to stay for 1k a week, when someone else is getting 4k?? I used 4k as an example, but wouldn't be suprised if he wants more than that. A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension. Probably Hare as the counter balance to JCH is the wrong person but there will be others in the squad that we could have on contract at the lower salary to enable us to pay JCH what he’s worth. But as I’ve said elsewhere clubs will get around it somehow. Perhaps employ top players on other non-football contracts, a bit like the old eastern bloc army football teams who still got to European Cup semi finals. They just made them army members without being in the army, not that they got paid much more then of course. UTG!
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Post by TugPhase on Aug 8, 2020 10:53:08 GMT
Very interesting. Short term it looks like there won't be much impact; Ipswich, based on their calculations, can still afford to go out this summer and get 4-5 Players at £5k per week should they wish to. Also, players aged 21 or under don't count towards the salary cap or the senior squad players. Next summer onward will be when things really mix up, when contracts start to expire, there will a lot of good players looking at significant pay cuts or desperately trying to find themselves a Championship club. Plus players currently 21 (Ipswich have 7!) will suddenly count towards the squad size restriction so clubs will be having to trim players. Any talented teenagers will become seriously in demand. It means we are unlikely to off load player's like Bennett, or if we do, we will still be paying towards their wages. Especially if they had y to drop to league 2 where the average wage will be less than 2k a week. Think the 1.3 average was for League 2, not seen the figure for League 1 yet. But I expect the average wage in League 1 is higher than 1.3k a week. Also means we will struggle to give JCH a new deal now. As if we gave him a 3 year deal on 4k a week, it will hit our budget for years. It means a bigger League 1 club kind Ipswich will struggle to sign him as well now though. But if a Championship club comes in, we will have no chance. Expect he would have left of a Championship club came in anyway. But now I think he will probally run his contact down. Hope I'm wrong though. We couldn't offload Bennett anyway! And he will only count as the 'average'. Can't see why we won't still be able to offer JCH a good contract. While we still have players counting as 'average' we will be way under the limit. The issue may kick in when the majority of the squad renew contracts and they start counting as their true value, but thats a couple of years away. Of course JCH may want to leave anyway, but pretty sure the vote yesterday won't have affected that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 8, 2020 10:59:04 GMT
Why can't we still give JCH £4 p.w. the average salary we can give is £2K p.w. so we just need to offer the likes of Kelly & Hare no more than £1K p.w. and all three players are still only costing us £6 p.w.? I can't see the new budget having any real effect on us whilst we remain at the Mem and our turnover is around £6m. The only clubs it will effect are the bigger club who get stuck in L1 for more than a couple of years but where did spending £4m+ on wages really get Pompey & Sunderland last year? So if Hare has a good season, he will be happy to stay for 1k a week, when someone else is getting 4k?? I used 4k as an example, but wouldn't be suprised if he wants more than that. A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension. But that's no different than now, or it's ever been, Bennett's on £4.5K a week Hare probably £50K/75K, but who's most likely to start in the first team come the 14 Sept? If Hare does warrant a pay rise next summer I assume Little will be released and he can take his place in the wages league and we then sign another RB on £50K or less. L1 footballers will still be v. well paid if they can bag a contract paying £200K p.a. on average. I guess you'd sooner we keep paying the likes of KB £4.5K p.w. and run up £20m debts again in a few years?
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 8, 2020 11:56:01 GMT
So if Hare has a good season, he will be happy to stay for 1k a week, when someone else is getting 4k?? I used 4k as an example, but wouldn't be suprised if he wants more than that. A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension. But that's no different than now, or it's ever been, Bennett's on £4.5K a week Hare probably £50K/75K, but who's most likely to start in the first team come the 14 Sept? If Hare does warrant a pay rise next summer I assume Little will be released and he can take his place in the wages league and we then sign another RB on £50K or less. L1 footballers will still be v. well paid if they can bag a contract paying £200K p.a. on average. I guess you'd sooner we keep paying the likes of KB £4.5K p.w. and run up £20m debts again in a few years? Pointless having the same debate over and over. Just think it's going to be harder to keep him now. Don't forget it includes signing on fees and agent fees. It's the same for every club and won't effect us as much as a lot of clubs anyway.
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2020 12:12:55 GMT
But that's no different than now, or it's ever been, Bennett's on £4.5K a week Hare probably £50K/75K, but who's most likely to start in the first team come the 14 Sept? If Hare does warrant a pay rise next summer I assume Little will be released and he can take his place in the wages league and we then sign another RB on £50K or less. L1 footballers will still be v. well paid if they can bag a contract paying £200K p.a. on average. I guess you'd sooner we keep paying the likes of KB £4.5K p.w. and run up £20m debts again in a few years? Pointless having the same debate over and over. Just think it's going to be harder to keep him now. Don't forget it includes signing on fees and agent fees. It's the same for every club and won't effect us as much as a lot of clubs anyway. Agent fees? Seriously?
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 8, 2020 12:17:03 GMT
Pointless having the same debate over and over. Just think it's going to be harder to keep him now. Don't forget it includes signing on fees and agent fees. It's the same for every club and won't effect us as much as a lot of clubs anyway. Agent fees? Seriously? Yes Sunderland will have to cut there agent fees. Otherwise they won't have no money for wages!
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 8, 2020 12:18:24 GMT
So if Hare has a good season, he will be happy to stay for 1k a week, when someone else is getting 4k?? I used 4k as an example, but wouldn't be suprised if he wants more than that. A Championship club could make him a low earner and pay him more. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think he will sign an extension. But that's no different than now, or it's ever been, Bennett's on £4.5K a week Hare probably £50K/75K, but who's most likely to start in the first team come the 14 Sept? If Hare does warrant a pay rise next summer I assume Little will be released and he can take his place in the wages league and we then sign another RB on £50K or less. L1 footballers will still be v. well paid if they can bag a contract paying £200K p.a. on average. I guess you'd sooner we keep paying the likes of KB £4.5K p.w. and run up £20m debts again in a few years? Bennett is on £4,000 a week and Ogogo is on £3,000 a week neither playing today so far...
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2020 12:21:48 GMT
Yes Sunderland will have to cut there agent fees. Otherwise they won't have no money for wages! Agents have one hell of a lot to answer for regarding the money in the game don't they eh?
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2020 12:23:13 GMT
But that's no different than now, or it's ever been, Bennett's on £4.5K a week Hare probably £50K/75K, but who's most likely to start in the first team come the 14 Sept? If Hare does warrant a pay rise next summer I assume Little will be released and he can take his place in the wages league and we then sign another RB on £50K or less. L1 footballers will still be v. well paid if they can bag a contract paying £200K p.a. on average. I guess you'd sooner we keep paying the likes of KB £4.5K p.w. and run up £20m debts again in a few years? Bennett is on £4,000 a week and Ogogo is on £3,000 a week neither playing today so far... Not having a go or anything, but how do you know that?
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 8, 2020 12:44:07 GMT
Bennett is on £4,000 a week and Ogogo is on £3,000 a week neither playing today so far... Not having a go or anything, but how do you know that? 2nd hand info on KB but Ogogo is a certainty.
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2020 12:49:17 GMT
Not having a go or anything, but how do you know that? 2nd hand info on KB but Ogogo is a certainty. Fair enough.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 8, 2020 13:11:09 GMT
It would be interesting to see what happens when clubs relegated from the Premier league go down through championship and into league one with players on their payroll still earning one million plus a year, if the player doesn't want to leave and club certainly won't be able to pay them off, the club could be stuffed, I presume there must be allowances for this sort of thing otherwise the club would have to get rid of most of its squad to stay within the salary cap, and would not have room to replace. Greedy Championship clubs voting for a high salary cap could live to regret it if they are relegated
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Post by baggins on Aug 8, 2020 13:13:32 GMT
It would be interesting to see what happens when clubs relegated from the Premier league go down through championship and into league one with players on their payroll still earning one million plus a year, if the player doesn't want to leave and club certainly won't be able to pay them off, the club could be stuffed, I presume there must be allowances for this sort of thing otherwise the club would have to get rid of most of its squad to stay within the salary cap, and would not have room to replace. Greedy Championship clubs voting for a high salary cap could live to regret it if they are relegated I'm sure the EFL will look after them.
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