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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 29, 2020 15:14:25 GMT
Following the sacking of 3 quintessential British lads what's the betting they will be replaced by 3 who will satisfy the ethnic and gender police, ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 15:22:32 GMT
Following the sacking of 3 quintessential British lads what's the betting they will be replaced by 3 who will satisfy the ethnic and gender police, ? It is such a certainty that you won’t find a bookie offering odds. It’s such a good show but I don’t think I will be watching anymore. I think Le Tissier was guaranteed to get sacked after having the temerity to say he didn’t support the political aims of BLM. I reckon Micah Richards will get a spot, the troublemaker Aluko and maybe Sue Smith or Alex Scott. Merson escaped the cull because he ticks both the ‘mental health’ and ‘addictions’ box.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 4, 2020 19:10:59 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century.
You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 20:32:22 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century. You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date. Does playing women’s football in the 21st century count qualify for providing analysis on the men’s premier league matches?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 4, 2020 21:13:19 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century. You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date. Does playing women’s football in the 21st century count qualify for providing analysis on the men’s premier league matches? Alex Scott puts even the best of them to shame in the realms of pre/post match analysis. But unless I’m mistaken, she hasn’t been offered a position on that particular panel? As yet it’s purely speculation from the outraged brigade. I’d rather she kept her place in the ‘Super Sunday’ studio. showing up Mr Angry & professional Paul Pogba hater, Graeme Souness.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 4, 2020 21:53:15 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century. You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date. Does playing women’s football in the 21st century count qualify for providing analysis on the men’s premier league matches? Not sure it would disqualify them though. It brings a different perspective and I'd have thought there were enough space for several voices to be aired.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 8:40:27 GMT
Does playing women’s football in the 21st century count qualify for providing analysis on the men’s premier league matches? Not sure it would disqualify them though. It brings a different perspective and I'd have thought there were enough space for several voices to be aired. You could apply the same to non league players coming in to do the analysis? Personally I want to hear from people who have played at the highest level, the same level of physicality and pressures. I’ve no objection to female presenters on sports programmes but surely by definition an expert analyst needs to have ‘been there and done it’. Same with the cricket, very strange when you had David Gower in the presenting role asking a female ‘expert’ how player x should be dealing with 95mph deliveries! She would have no more idea the a village cricketer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 8:41:50 GMT
Does playing women’s football in the 21st century count qualify for providing analysis on the men’s premier league matches? Alex Scott puts even the best of them to shame in the realms of pre/post match analysis. But unless I’m mistaken, she hasn’t been offered a position on that particular panel? As yet it’s purely speculation from the outraged brigade. I’d rather she kept her place in the ‘Super Sunday’ studio. showing up Mr Angry & professional Paul Pogba hater, Graeme Souness. Do you think they will select replacements purely on suitability or to fit a diversity requirement. I think everyone knows the answer but many won’t want to say it publicly.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 5, 2020 9:51:59 GMT
Not sure it would disqualify them though. It brings a different perspective and I'd have thought there were enough space for several voices to be aired. You could apply the same to non league players coming in to do the analysis? Personally I want to hear from people who have played at the highest level, the same level of physicality and pressures. I’ve no objection to female presenters on sports programmes but surely by definition an expert analyst needs to have ‘been there and done it’. Same with the cricket, very strange when you had David Gower in the presenting role asking a female ‘expert’ how player x should be dealing with 95mph deliveries! She would have no more idea the a village cricketer. Are female former tennis players okay to comment on men's tennis? Hockey? Golf? Let's try it. The reasons for doing so may be questioned by some, but if it enhances the programme and get more people engaged, is that wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 19:23:32 GMT
You could apply the same to non league players coming in to do the analysis? Personally I want to hear from people who have played at the highest level, the same level of physicality and pressures. I’ve no objection to female presenters on sports programmes but surely by definition an expert analyst needs to have ‘been there and done it’. Same with the cricket, very strange when you had David Gower in the presenting role asking a female ‘expert’ how player x should be dealing with 95mph deliveries! She would have no more idea the a village cricketer. Are female former tennis players okay to comment on men's tennis? Hockey? Golf? Let's try it. The reasons for doing so may be questioned by some, but if it enhances the programme and get more people engaged, is that wrong? I don’t care whether it’s male or female provided they have played at a comparable level. In football it’s clearly not comparable, neither is cricket but tennis probably yes. Not sure about hockey. Golf shows women are far inferior when they have played in the same events but similar in respect of the short game and putting so bit of a mixed bag. regardless of gender the expert needs to provide analysis from from experience, something the average viewer is missing. Bringing someone in who has not had experience at that level adds nothing.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2020 8:55:50 GMT
I like Alex Scott as a pundit. She talks well about the game and concentrates on the “football” aspects. Some men show their likes and dislikes too much and feel they sometimes have a “persona” to maintain. Hence Souness comes over as grumpy and wants to maintain that and Keane comes over as angry and does his best to maintain that. The point maybe is that football in terms of gender has changed completely over the last 10 years with the progression of women’s football and this is being mirrored in representation on panels, on websites and almost everywhere. I’d say that for “older” men like me it takes quite a bit of getting used to. But that’s fine I have no problem with 50% of the population being represented, it is as it should be. The miracle maybe is that it took so long to be acknowledged. And that is all without taking into account all the race, mental health stuff and other agendas that TV companies take into account. When you realise all that I suppose it’s a miracle the Sky Saturday afternoon panel lasted so long. At least we know it had nothing to do with ability because if they could keep Merson on, who struggles to concentrate on what’s happening and can hardly string a sentence together. It will be interesting to see who they have. I’ll reserve judgement until I see who. UTG!
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 14, 2020 10:36:45 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century. You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date. I don't think Jeff is past it, he's still an excellent host. Jules Warren is probably the easy handover move for Sky Sports long-term when Jeff hangs up the mic. You mentioned below about Alex Scott and I agree, she's fantastic - genuinely better than most of the male pundits. People will moan and whinge about this move from SS being to add diversity to their ranks instead of 'quality' perhaps but Scott, Liam Rosenior, Micah Richards and Matt Murray are all brilliant pundits in their own right. Race or gender has bugger all to do with that.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 14, 2020 12:14:37 GMT
Two of the four from the Soccer Saturday panel retired in 1986 & 1995. Absolutely no surprise they want to modernise it with ex pros that have actually played the game in the 21st century. You only have to look at what Sky are doing with the excellent Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher, to know Jeff & ‘the boys’ are well past their expiration date. I don't think Jeff is past it, he's still an excellent host. Jules Warren is probably the easy handover move for Sky Sports long-term when Jeff hangs up the mic. You mentioned below about Alex Scott and I agree, she's fantastic - genuinely better than most of the male pundits. People will moan and whinge about this move from SS being to add diversity to their ranks instead of 'quality' perhaps but Scott, Liam Rosenior, Micah Richards and Matt Murray are all brilliant pundits in their own right. Race or gender has bugger all to do with that. Myabe but I feel a bit for people who have lost their jobs due to politics.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 14, 2020 12:43:20 GMT
I don't think Jeff is past it, he's still an excellent host. Jules Warren is probably the easy handover move for Sky Sports long-term when Jeff hangs up the mic. You mentioned below about Alex Scott and I agree, she's fantastic - genuinely better than most of the male pundits. People will moan and whinge about this move from SS being to add diversity to their ranks instead of 'quality' perhaps but Scott, Liam Rosenior, Micah Richards and Matt Murray are all brilliant pundits in their own right. Race or gender has bugger all to do with that. Myabe but I feel a bit for people who have lost their jobs due to politics. I think politics played a part but they were definitely out-dated and in need of fresh faces IMO. I stopped watching and preferred to more modern BT Sport equivalent last season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 14, 2020 12:57:38 GMT
Myabe but I feel a bit for people who have lost their jobs due to politics. I think politics played a part but they were definitely out-dated and in need of fresh faces IMO. I stopped watching and preferred to more modern BT Sport equivalent last season. Steve McManaman now there's someone who should be replaced. And Mark Lawrenson on BBC.
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 14, 2020 14:27:34 GMT
I think politics played a part but they were definitely out-dated and in need of fresh faces IMO. I stopped watching and preferred to more modern BT Sport equivalent last season. Steve McManaman now there's someone who should be replaced. And Mark Lawrenson on BBC. And as for Michael Owen most boring person I've ever heard on commentary.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 14, 2020 14:33:07 GMT
I think politics played a part but they were definitely out-dated and in need of fresh faces IMO. I stopped watching and preferred to more modern BT Sport equivalent last season. Steve McManaman now there's someone who should be replaced. And Mark Lawrenson on BBC. McManaman is outstandingly bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 9:23:13 GMT
Ron Atkinson was good 😳
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