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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:32:13 GMT
Exactly. It hasnt worked, but I think getting in a young coach who wants to focus on a club philosophy and invest in developing youth is a great idea. I dont hold Wael accountable at all for BGs failure to deliver thus far, but its getting close to the time Wael needs to act ... We will have a lovely club philosophy of developing young players and playing neat and tidy football in our own half but we’ll be doing it in the conference. Garner’s reign is like a slow motion car crash. If he’s still in a job by Christmas we will be in real danger. Yes, it’s not good but, I’d say if he’s still in a job at Christmas then we will be sitting mid table at least. If we’re not he will have been long gone. I reckon Wael will act, esp as it’s his project now. He won’t have to consult others. I would bet that there have already been confidential conversations about what plan B might be. At least, I’d be amazed if he didn’t act. Ive always supported the guy but he does need some positive results very soon. UTG! |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 8, 2020 21:32:19 GMT
Exactly. It hasnt worked, but I think getting in a young coach who wants to focus on a club philosophy and invest in developing youth is a great idea. I dont hold Wael accountable at all for BGs failure to deliver thus far, but its getting close to the time Wael needs to act ... Doesn’t make Wael any the wiser though does it! Maybe you'd like to bankroll the club from now on. I promise not to come on this forum on a daily basis slagging you off if you do. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 8, 2020 21:33:02 GMT
12/09 The league season starts 08/09 Fans calling for the manager's head. You absolute bunch of clueless, moronic, muppets. You should be ashamed to call yourself Gas. It’s not though is it, last season was awful when he took over and at no point has he shown us anything to suggest he’ll turn this around. |
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 8, 2020 21:33:39 GMT
What is foolish about appointing a young manager who wants to develop young players? Isnt that an accepted, sensible method to run a football club without racking up huge debts? A fool would spend 100M on a mid table Championship side that sees them develop into....well, a mid table Championship side. £100m is nothing to Lansdown, a bit like one of us buying a car for £1,000 which turned out to be scrapper, I'd imagine the £20m/30m Wael's spent is a big slice of his money. Although if it was easy to turn young players into £1m player why isn't every team already doing it rather than running at massive losses, only P'boro, Oxford and Exeter seem to do it and that's probably taken them 5/10 years to achieve. Regardless I'd sooner trust somebody like Holloway to run such a project than a guy with zero managerial experience. Holloway had zero management experience when he became manager in 1996. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 21:35:04 GMT
Doesn’t make Wael any the wiser though does it! Maybe you'd like to bankroll the club from now on. I promise not to come on this forum on a daily basis slagging you off if you do. Eh cry emoji response!. There’s blind faith and blinded |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:36:58 GMT
Another tepid performance The number of side ways passes across the back is laughable, the manager needs to understand we are not playing table top subbuteo. There is no suggestion that we will produce performances good enough for the league we are in I get the impression that regardless of what eleven we field this Saturday, we will not be competitive and will be buried. JA looks like he could make a very good player but the formation being used means there is no forward momentum around him. DT also looks good. so two new signings that impressed you. |
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Post by chigas on Sept 8, 2020 21:37:15 GMT
£100m is nothing to Lansdown, a bit like one of us buying a car for £1,000 which turned out to be scrapper, I'd imagine the £20m/30m Wael's spent is a big slice of his money. Although if it was easy to turn young players into £1m player why isn't every team already doing it rather than running at massive losses, only P'boro, Oxford and Exeter seem to do it and that's probably taken them 5/10 years to achieve. Regardless I'd sooner trust somebody like Holloway to run such a project than a guy with zero managerial experience. Holloway had zero management experience when he became manager in 1996. Had playing and Rovers experience though- may mean nothing though |
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Post by yaz on Sept 8, 2020 21:38:02 GMT
Thoughts on the game if anyone interested.
9' - Walsall hit post with deflected shot.
13' - Tutonda great chance, dallied but good shot across the goal line. Ayunga good so far with good movement and control.
16' - Mehew great goal. Looks a good player so far, playing well in midfield.
Kilgour / Hare better together on RHS. Kelly / Tutonda slightly weak on LHS.
19' - Ayunga 3rd shot, 1st on target. At least he is shooting.
29' - Walsall goal from 1st corner. Terrible defending; Grant left the scorer?
30' - Mehew sitter. Plenty of time but soft shot from weaker foot. Ayunga did well to stay onside for pass.
36' - Walker not in the picture at all. Lacks control.
Half Time - 1 each. Walsall coming more into the game. Fair score. Some sloppy passing by Mehew and Kelly. Kelly clearances leave a lot to be desired?
64' - Walsall goal again from a header; JVS positioning questionable and slow to react. 2 headed goals!
[We could do with the pace of Ryan Broom in middle, dare I say?]
70' - Ayunga goal. Well placed. JML seems to play well with Ayunga. Both to start on Saturday?
Ayunga my best Rovers player for whole game. Looks a promising replacement for JCH. He also has good control and does not lose the ball much. Fights hard to get the ball back. Haven't seen much of his heading towards goal yet in the last 2 games yet. Walsall better and played good, controlled football. Lots of sloppy passes from both sides. Our midfield take too long to turn and move forward when with the ball. Grant a better game than last one. Hargreaves and Mehew not 90' players yet; 60' at most?
Penalties terrible. Harries too weak in shooting and Kelly not a penalty taker for me.
Walsall deserved the points for an away L2 team. Our performance was L2 / Conference standard.
Looks ominous for Saturday with Sunderland scoring 8 today.
The real test starts Saturday.
Ref was OK.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:40:50 GMT
Let’s not forget that the team consisted of a lot of the youngsters/fringe players tonight. As uninspiring and disjointed as that performance was, I’m not going to take too much from it. Sunderland will be the true test of where we are currently. Anything less than 3-0 will be a good result on Saturday! Although getting thrashed my end BG's reign, every cloud..... Can't believe what I'm reading here. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:43:06 GMT
Thoughts on the game if anyone interested. 9' - Walsall hit post with deflected shot. 13' - Tutonda great chance, dallied but good shot across the goal line. Ayunga good so far with good movement and control. 16' - Mehew great goal. Looks a good player so far, playing well in midfield. Kilgour / Hare better together on RHS. Kelly / Tutonda slightly weak on LHS. 19' - Ayunga 3rd shot, 1st on target. At least he is shooting. 29' - Walsall goal from 1st corner. Terrible defending; Grant left the scorer? 30' - Mehew sitter. Plenty of time but soft shot from weaker foot. Ayunga did well to stay onside for pass. 36' - Walker not in the picture at all. Lacks control. Half Time - 1 each. Walsall coming more into the game. Fair score. Some sloppy passing by Mehew and Kelly. Kelly clearances leave a lot to be desired? 64' - Walsall goal again from a header; JVS positioning questionable and slow to react. 2 headed goals! [We could do with the pace of Ryan Broom in middle, dare I say?] 70' - Ayunga goal. Well placed. JML seems to play well with Ayunga. Both to start on Saturday? Ayunga my best Rovers player for whole game. Looks a promising replacement for JCH. He also has good control and does not lose the ball much. Fights hard to get the ball back. Haven't seen much of his heading towards goal yet in the last 2 games yet. Walsall better and played good, controlled football. Lots of sloppy passes from both sides. Our midfield take too long to turn and move forward when with the ball. Grant a better game than last one. Hargreaves and Mehew not 90' players yet; 60' at most? Penalties terrible. Harries too weak in shooting and Kelly not a penalty taker for me. Walsall deserved the points for an away L2 team. Our performance was L2 / Conference standard. Looks ominous for Saturday with Sunderland scoring 8 today. The real test starts Saturday. Ref was OK. didn't Grant come on with 15 to go ? |
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Post by yaz on Sept 8, 2020 21:46:44 GMT
Thoughts on the game if anyone interested. 9' - Walsall hit post with deflected shot. 13' - Tutonda great chance, dallied but good shot across the goal line. Ayunga good so far with good movement and control. 16' - Mehew great goal. Looks a good player so far, playing well in midfield. Kilgour / Hare better together on RHS. Kelly / Tutonda slightly weak on LHS. 19' - Ayunga 3rd shot, 1st on target. At least he is shooting. 29' - Walsall goal from 1st corner. Terrible defending; Grant left the scorer? 30' - Mehew sitter. Plenty of time but soft shot from weaker foot. Ayunga did well to stay onside for pass. 36' - Walker not in the picture at all. Lacks control. Half Time - 1 each. Walsall coming more into the game. Fair score. Some sloppy passing by Mehew and Kelly. Kelly clearances leave a lot to be desired? 64' - Walsall goal again from a header; JVS positioning questionable and slow to react. 2 headed goals! [We could do with the pace of Ryan Broom in middle, dare I say?] 70' - Ayunga goal. Well placed. JML seems to play well with Ayunga. Both to start on Saturday? Ayunga my best Rovers player for whole game. Looks a promising replacement for JCH. He also has good control and does not lose the ball much. Fights hard to get the ball back. Haven't seen much of his heading towards goal yet in the last 2 games yet. Walsall better and played good, controlled football. Lots of sloppy passes from both sides. Our midfield take too long to turn and move forward when with the ball. Grant a better game than last one. Hargreaves and Mehew not 90' players yet; 60' at most? Penalties terrible. Harries too weak in shooting and Kelly not a penalty taker for me. Walsall deserved the points for an away L2 team. Our performance was L2 / Conference standard. Looks ominous for Saturday with Sunderland scoring 8 today. The real test starts Saturday. Ref was OK. didn't Grant come on with 15 to go ? YES - you are right; I think it was Walker who left their scorer unmarked! Oops! |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:48:51 GMT
How did Walker play tonight - haven't seen any comments about him. What position did he play ?
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 8, 2020 21:52:12 GMT
How did Walker play tonight - haven't seen any comments about him. What position did he play ? Very poor. Was impressed with him in a couple of friendlies but tonight he looked out of his depth. |
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Post by james246 on Sept 8, 2020 21:53:46 GMT
£100m is nothing to Lansdown, a bit like one of us buying a car for £1,000 which turned out to be scrapper, I'd imagine the £20m/30m Wael's spent is a big slice of his money. Although if it was easy to turn young players into £1m player why isn't every team already doing it rather than running at massive losses, only P'boro, Oxford and Exeter seem to do it and that's probably taken them 5/10 years to achieve. Regardless I'd sooner trust somebody like Holloway to run such a project than a guy with zero managerial experience. Holloway had zero management experience when he became manager in 1996. Yes but he played the game |
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Post by kentgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:56:03 GMT
How did Walker play tonight - haven't seen any comments about him. What position did he play ? Fairly anonymous tbh. Disappointing. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2020 21:59:07 GMT
How did Walker play tonight - haven't seen any comments about him. What position did he play ? Fairly anonymous tbh. Disappointing. That's a shame, but he's only 18 I believe. I think he's got a bright future. |
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Post by james246 on Sept 8, 2020 22:00:05 GMT
I could not care a less that we did not win it was only a poxy EFL match Yes the game counted for nothing, but the performance was very poor. If the club is to have any kind of success this season, an attitude change is required at managerial level starting Saturday.. |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 8, 2020 22:00:41 GMT
Well this is the opposite of GC. Don't forget GC made it look better than it was for DC by being the defensive coach. When he took over the job was done, stop the goals from going in, play ugly and avoid relegation. Build from the back. Ben is either brave or foolish, he is hell bent on playing his type of football, but if his type of football let's in five goals in two games, one of those teams in a lower league than us, I can't see it working, as much as I want it to. Teams can win competitions by scoring very few goals, but they can't win by leaking them. Compared to GC it all seems very inexperienced and naive to me. Will Sunderland be playing another academy side on Saturday with a similar result, that's my worry.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 8, 2020 22:01:36 GMT
Holloway had zero management experience when he became manager in 1996. Yes but he played the game Arrigo Sacchi, Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho didn't play the game professionally, neither did Brendan Rodgers. This fallacy that you must have "Played the game" to be a manager is nonsense. Will BG succeed? Who knows, probably not here. |
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 8, 2020 22:04:24 GMT
Nor in any other manager role in the world he is a cone man and that's all he ever will be
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