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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 10:47:45 GMT
We actually defended okay on the whole considering the midfield offer no protection whatsoever. Yes, poor OG and Kilgour was beat too easily for the second but if our midfield get overrun eventually the defence will crack.
Defenders are never going to be the best footballers on the pitch and their distribution does let them down at times but our midfielders never make themselves available for a pass. When they do get possession they just pass the buck by giving it back to the defence or kepper.
I fail to see what Westbrooke or Grant offer. I haven't seen one creative pass, one shot on goal, one forward run with the ball, one decent tackle or 50/50 battle won. So far they offer nothing going forward and no protection to the defence.
I don't think we can carry both those players in the same team and expect to win many matches. Maybe one or the other would play better if alongside someone like Josh Sheehan who is an energetic midfielder who can tackle and run with the ball.
I'm not expecting world beating passes, but I expect a professional footballer (be it defender or not) to be able to do one of the following: 1. Pass it to the player 6 feet away from him, unmarked 2. If lumping it forward 30 years, not for it to roll out for a goal kick every time. I disagree about Westbrooke, the bloke is everywhere and is constantly trying to create something. He's always trying to pick up the ball, tap it to a player and make a run to create space. Problem is he gives it to Upson or Grant who just lump it forward or backwards, as you say. I think you were unfair on Harries. From what I’ve seen his defending is fine. When he gets the ball his head is up and looking for a pass. More often than not yesterday his only outlet was Leahy. Leahy in turn had no forward option so simply returned it to him. With this ridiculous formation Upson and Grant are outnumbered so his only option is to play a longer ball which percentage wise is always going to be less successful. I agree with you on Westbrooke, he looks a talented, forward thinking, creative player but imo he really needs to be in a midfield three. A 4-3-3 would suit him and our other players far more. You can play a flat back four and still have attacking fullbacks if you have one, or even two, more defensive minded midfielders. Unfortunately, I think BG is obsessed with making his current formation work and it will be his downfall, probably sooner rather than later.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 20, 2020 10:54:02 GMT
Every season lately we seem to have this "this is the worst midfield I've ever seen" type posts when frankly it is not true. We've had plenty of worse midfields in our time in L2 in the last 20 years.
Do they deserve criticism? Yes, but can we at least keep it in the realms of reality.
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Sept 20, 2020 13:58:45 GMT
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Post by baggins on Sept 20, 2020 13:58:45 GMT
Bbbbbut..... Ollie Clarke was sh** according to most on here. He was. And our Midfield looks far better without him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 20, 2020 14:12:00 GMT
And our Midfield looks far better without him. Because we aren't great without him doesn't make him a good footballer.
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Post by baggins on Sept 20, 2020 14:22:38 GMT
And our Midfield looks far better without him. Because we aren't great without him doesn't make him a good footballer. You called him sh1t. What does that make our current midfield?
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Sept 20, 2020 15:16:55 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 20, 2020 15:16:55 GMT
Because we aren't great without him doesn't make him a good footballer. You called him sh1t. What does that make our current midfield? I don't know. Find a manager that can get the best out of them and I will let you know. I haven't seen enough of the new players to judge. I've seen enough of Westbrooke though to see he is way above OC's level already. Let's also not forget that if OC is that great then why is he in a league below (I know Mansfield pay decent).
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2020 15:31:23 GMT
OC was never a creative CM, that role was always Lines, regardless GC clearly rates him if he offered him a 2 years contract and picked him as soon as he was fit.
I'd take OC over Upson anyday of the week, I just don't get what any manager sees in Upson, nor why Ogogo is so out of favour.
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Sept 20, 2020 15:51:16 GMT
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Post by singupgas on Sept 20, 2020 15:51:16 GMT
OC was never a creative CM, that role was always Lines, regardless GC clearly rates him if he offered him a 2 years contract and picked him as soon as he was fit. I'd take OC over Upson anyday of the week, I just don't get what any manager sees in Upson, nor why Ogogo is so out of favour. Totally agree with this, Upson brings so little to our midfield it is hard to understand why Ogogo isn't in the 11, the guy was a work horse, got around, put tackles and shows more grit than any of our players didi yesterday. BG should realise Ogogo is exactly the sort of player you need in league 1.
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Sept 20, 2020 16:45:59 GMT
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 20, 2020 16:45:59 GMT
Get three bodies in there IMO - a midfield pairing isn’t enough for us to either: 1) Dominate games with the ball. 2) Be solid in the middle without it.
I’d like to see something like:
__________Jaakkola Little___Ehmer___Kilgour___Leahy ___________Grant ________New____Westbrooke __Nicholson__Ayunga___Hanlan/JML
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Post by chilly1883 on Sept 20, 2020 17:56:55 GMT
I don’t think the blame lies with the midfield; we haven’t got a decent striker at the club, if you’ve got a threat up front it takes away massive pressure, from the defence and midfield. We haven’t got one striker that will score 10 goals this season
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Sept 20, 2020 18:50:20 GMT
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 18:50:20 GMT
Get three bodies in there IMO - a midfield pairing isn’t enough for us to either: 1) Dominate games with the ball. 2) Be solid in the middle without it. I’d like to see something like: __________Jaakkola Little___Ehmer___Kilgour___Leahy ___________Grant ________New____Westbrooke __Nicholson__Ayunga___Hanlan/JML Would that back 4 have enough pace to play a high line ?
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Sept 20, 2020 19:58:46 GMT
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Post by Russgas on Sept 20, 2020 19:58:46 GMT
Get three bodies in there IMO - a midfield pairing isn’t enough for us to either: 1) Dominate games with the ball. 2) Be solid in the middle without it. I’d like to see something like: __________Jaakkola Little___Ehmer___Kilgour___Leahy ___________Grant ________New____Westbrooke __Nicholson__Ayunga___Hanlan/JML Would that back 4 have enough pace to play a high line ? Yes it would easily, we sit far too deep anyway as a team imo, we sat back 2nd half last week and invited the pressure on ourselves and sunderland duly obliged. The whole back line yesterday could/should have held their line 4-5 meters up field and condensed the play. We played a high press against sunderland on the last game before lockdown and we were brilliant. It ended 2-0 but it should/could have been a lot more, we played them off the park with our work rate, high press and intensity. The players are comfortable playing that way, why oh why cant BG see that you sometimes have to just go with a system that your players understand and can work with.
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Sept 20, 2020 20:16:06 GMT
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 20:16:06 GMT
Think kilgour would be happier in that position. I know lehay gets stick on here but do think he would.make a good left back. Like lee brown and vaughan Jones he does put a good cross in. Also like them takes a good pen
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Sept 20, 2020 20:19:14 GMT
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 20:19:14 GMT
Whays the latest on this guy we got last.year from reading?
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Post by keygas on Sept 20, 2020 20:42:00 GMT
Whays the latest on this guy we got last.year from reading? I take it your talking about Josh Barrett, I believe I heard Garner saying he was close to being back for selection. Talking of injuries does anyone know what’s happened to Alex Rodman , a player I rate & definitely could do with playing at the moment.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 20, 2020 20:57:06 GMT
Whays the latest on this guy we got last.year from reading? I take it your talking about Josh Barrett, I believe I heard Garner saying he was close to being back for selection. Talking of injuries does anyone know what’s happened to Alex Rodman , a player I rate & definitely could do with playing at the moment. Rodders has an ear infection causing vertigo, hopefully back asap.
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Sept 20, 2020 20:59:12 GMT
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 20, 2020 20:59:12 GMT
If we get these two back does it make is stronger?where do they fit in the system and who drops.out for them? Of upson is back as well
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 20, 2020 21:21:08 GMT
Get three bodies in there IMO - a midfield pairing isn’t enough for us to either: 1) Dominate games with the ball. 2) Be solid in the middle without it. I’d like to see something like: __________Jaakkola Little___Ehmer___Kilgour___Leahy ___________Grant ________New____Westbrooke __Nicholson__Ayunga___Hanlan/JML I'd go with something similar but I think we need another striker to go with the new CM. Unfortunately I can't see BG changing the system and I think it will ultimately be his downfall. Maybe ours to if Wael doesn't act in time.
We're supposed to be after one or two players, I just hope one is a midfiielder in the mold of Josh Sheehan who has pace, likes a tackle and can run with the ball.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 21, 2020 9:45:53 GMT
Our midfield has to be one of the worst I've seen in 40 years following Rovers. Maybe not technically but where is the energy and desire. Nobody in midfield can tackle, nobody can drive forward with the ball, nobody shows any strength and nobody shows any passion. Westbrooke was a 1/10 today and Grant not much better. I felt like getting them by the scruff of the neck and shouting put some f*cking effort in. Give me Ogogo, O.Clarke and Sercombe any day. I would play Hargreaves and Ogogo in midfield next week, at least they'll put a shift in and their passing and ball retention couldn't be any worse.
Midfield is without question our biggest problem in my opinion and if it's not addressed we'll be down by Christmas.
Interesting to see the heat maps: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1486214/Live/England-League-One-2020-2021-Bristol-Rovers-IpswichBig hole in midfield area on our side and a real lack of heat in the final 3rd from us. Clearly playing out through the back which is evident from the big red heat Reckon we could see this change rapidly during the next 5 games or so
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Sept 21, 2020 9:49:29 GMT
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Post by LJG on Sept 21, 2020 9:49:29 GMT
And our Midfield looks far better without him. Because we aren't great without him doesn't make him a good footballer. You used the opposite argument about Tom Nichols. Always crowing about lack of goals if he was ever out of the starting lineup.
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