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Post by mancgas1975 on Sept 23, 2020 13:25:58 GMT
Success for me would be playing in the same division as the S@@t and doing the double over them! Preferebly in a nice new ground with a Bristol born lad scoring the winner.
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Post by axegas on Sept 23, 2020 13:29:23 GMT
Having a model that brings sustainability, grows our fan base and helps us compete at the right end of league one so that the idea of reaching and maybe even competing in the Championship becomes more fathomable.
The new training ground is a good stepping stone to achieve this but a new stadium is vital.
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 23, 2020 13:43:35 GMT
I don’t agree we have a divided fan base. I think it’s all about opinions, I have different opinions to my son & to some others I may attend with. That’s fine in general, as we have a beer, we don’t fall out, call each other names or label each other into one category or another, which often happens on here as some people think their opinions over ride others. I am sure 99% of us want a good outcome for the club, on & off the field, regardless of who the owners or managers are. Winning, for me, is the main thing, but I accept for others, it’s also about the style of football we play. IMO as things stand, I’d settle for staying in this division & some positive news on a stadium. Thanks to Wael’s performance with the finances, I’m more optimistic that I will have a team to support next season not like some other lower league clubs, who may well struggle unless the EFL sorts something.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 23, 2020 13:59:12 GMT
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Success for me is being as sustainable as we can first of all, and then being at least a mid table L1 team whilst doing that. Whilst I may come across as negative on here right now and adding to it being toxic, I actually don't think we are doing things the wrong way. Wael paying off the debts is brilliant and the new training ground is great news. Tommy Widdrington seems to have improved our scouting department. All positive and off the pitch we are looking in a really good place.
My one problem is Ben Garner, I have zero confidence in him. The results have been awful, he naively tried to change too much too quick and there has been no progression, we don't have a clear identity and he talks crap in his interviews.
So yes, try and develop our own players. Try and find players cheap with potential to sell for a maximum profit. I would want a strong spine alongside this which I don't think we currently have. Jaakkola is the only part of the spine I have full faith in.
In a nutshell - Sustainable as possible, at least Mid table L1, selling players for a profit and entertaining football would be successful.
Regarding getting to the championship, of course that would be a massive success. Anybody who would say otherwise obviously doesn't understand or been through where the club has been in previous years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 14:45:23 GMT
Short term (this season) - a team that can hold its own in the division - midtable even lower midtable fine this year and a training ground in use for first team and development squad.
Medium term ( next couple of seasons)- a team challenging for top six and a training ground expanded to accommodate the academy.
Long term - (4 or 5 years time) a top league 1 at least or ideally a championship team with a new 15,000 - 20,000 seat stadium with good transport links.
Modest ambition perhaps but would be a great success.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 23, 2020 15:24:48 GMT
In the short term success would be signs of improvement on the pitch.
I'm happy enough if we avoid relegation this season.
Longer term I would like to see us continue with developing younger and exciting players and playing attractive football.
I believe that will be more self sustaining in the long run.
I genuinely hope BG gets it right because I am happy with his sort of appointment as manager.
I would like to see us emulate the way Coventry played last season as I thought they were a really strong side but also good to watch.
Longer term, obviously Championship football, but I dont see much point in pushing for that until any stadium news becomes real.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 23, 2020 15:27:57 GMT
Success for me is being as sustainable as we can first of all, and then being at least a mid table L1 team whilst doing that. Whilst I may come across as negative on here right now and adding to it being toxic, I actually don't think we are doing things the wrong way. Wael paying off the debts is brilliant and the new training ground is great news. Tommy Widdrington seems to have improved our scouting department. All positive and off the pitch we are looking in a really good place. My one problem is Ben Garner, I have zero confidence in him. The results have been awful, he naively tried to change too much too quick and there has been no progression, we don't have a clear identity and he talks crap in his interviews. So yes, try and develop our own players. Try and find players cheap with potential to sell for a maximum profit. I would want a strong spine alongside this which I don't think we currently have. Jaakkola is the only part of the spine I have full faith in. In a nutshell - Sustainable as possible, at least Mid table L1, selling players for a profit and entertaining football would be successful. Regarding getting to the championship, of course that would be a massive success. Anybody who would say otherwise obviously doesn't understand or been through where the club has been in previous years. [/quote] Good reply and probably where I am at. Oddly, Garner has the potential to be exactly what we need. Success would be seeing some signs that we are actually improving under him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 23, 2020 15:32:04 GMT
Success for me is being as sustainable as we can first of all, and then being at least a mid table L1 team whilst doing that. Whilst I may come across as negative on here right now and adding to it being toxic, I actually don't think we are doing things the wrong way. Wael paying off the debts is brilliant and the new training ground is great news. Tommy Widdrington seems to have improved our scouting department. All positive and off the pitch we are looking in a really good place. My one problem is Ben Garner, I have zero confidence in him. The results have been awful, he naively tried to change too much too quick and there has been no progression, we don't have a clear identity and he talks crap in his interviews. So yes, try and develop our own players. Try and find players cheap with potential to sell for a maximum profit. I would want a strong spine alongside this which I don't think we currently have. Jaakkola is the only part of the spine I have full faith in. In a nutshell - Sustainable as possible, at least Mid table L1, selling players for a profit and entertaining football would be successful. Regarding getting to the championship, of course that would be a massive success. Anybody who would say otherwise obviously doesn't understand or been through where the club has been in previous years. Good reply and probably where I am at. Oddly, Garner has the potential to be exactly what we need. Success would be seeing some signs that we are actually improving under him.[/quote] The people that are saying about being patient and giving him time, if I could see progression then I would be more willing. I just really don't see any.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 23, 2020 15:38:07 GMT
Short term the removal of 'fingers crossed the results will improve' and that the results (and performances) will actually improve.
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Post by socrates on Sept 23, 2020 15:49:58 GMT
I think we’ve been successful these last 5 years. We won back to back promotions and then stayed up usually finishing around mid table in league 1. Looking at our stadium , our training facilities and how Waels family held the him back I’d consider that successful. Prior to that we had a period of 15 year’s where we had what I would call unsuccessful and under achieving other than a couple of seasons with Trolls and Lennie. Moving forward I think staying in league 1 would be successful even once the training ground is built. If and when we get past COVID and if and when we build a new stadium then league 1 will be treading water and only promotion to the championship will be considered successful in my opinion.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 23, 2020 16:05:49 GMT
I think we’ve been successful these last 5 years. We won back to back promotions and then stayed up usually finishing around mid table in league 1. Looking at our stadium , our training facilities and how Waels family held the him back I’d consider that successful. Prior to that we had a period of 15 year’s where we had what I would call unsuccessful and under achieving other than a couple of seasons with Trolls and Lennie. Moving forward I think staying in league 1 would be successful even once the training ground is built. If and when we get past COVID and if and when we build a new stadium then league 1 will be treading water and only promotion to the championship will be considered successful in my opinion. Completely agree socrates. We have to consider our facilities in comparison with other clubs in order to have a sensible and realistic outlook on what can be considered a success for us. Those that only consider success to be challenging for promotion again and again, in my opinion fail to see the context of what we as a club are at the moment. It's like any midtable PL supporter kicking off if their club isn't competing for a top 4 place, they have to accept that success has to be measured differently for different clubs, otherwise it'd be total anarchy everywhere.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 23, 2020 17:04:31 GMT
Success for me is being as sustainable as we can first of all, and then being at least a mid table L1 team whilst doing that. Whilst I may come across as negative on here right now and adding to it being toxic, I actually don't think we are doing things the wrong way. Wael paying off the debts is brilliant and the new training ground is great news. Tommy Widdrington seems to have improved our scouting department. All positive and off the pitch we are looking in a really good place. My one problem is Ben Garner, I have zero confidence in him. The results have been awful, he naively tried to change too much too quick and there has been no progression, we don't have a clear identity and he talks crap in his interviews. So yes, try and develop our own players. Try and find players cheap with potential to sell for a maximum profit. I would want a strong spine alongside this which I don't think we currently have. Jaakkola is the only part of the spine I have full faith in. In a nutshell - Sustainable as possible, at least Mid table L1, selling players for a profit and entertaining football would be successful. Regarding getting to the championship, of course that would be a massive success. Anybody who would say otherwise obviously doesn't understand or been through where the club has been in previous years. Good reply and probably where I am at. Oddly, Garner has the potential to be exactly what we need. Success would be seeing some signs that we are actually improving under him. The people that are saying about being patient and giving him time, if I could see progression then I would be more willing. I just really don't see any. [/quote] Me neither
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Post by Marshy on Sept 23, 2020 17:16:01 GMT
Good reply and probably where I am at. Oddly, Garner has the potential to be exactly what we need. Success would be seeing some signs that we are actually improving under him. The people that are saying about being patient and giving him time, if I could see progression then I would be more willing. I just really don't see any. Me neither [/quote] I dunno, he must be feeding Wael some bullshit to get us a new training ground. :That’s progression:
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Sept 23, 2020 17:41:10 GMT
honestly? at the moment I would celebrate a win like I had just won the lottery
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 23, 2020 21:59:56 GMT
55 points
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Post by axegas on Sept 24, 2020 1:44:08 GMT
Success for me would be playing in the same division as the S@@t and doing the double over them! Preferebly in a nice new ground with a Bristol born lad scoring the winner. There has never been a longer gap between fixtures of the two Bristol clubs than the one that exists from 2013-present day since the sides first met in competitive action in 1922. Despite how nerve racking and unequal it would be, would love another Bristol derby again soon (with the stands packed with supporters without any risk of spreading a virus).
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Post by yaz on Sept 24, 2020 5:04:00 GMT
Specs - Tinted Heavily.
Success, at this current point, for me, is largely the Manager and whether he is successful. This, I think, has been covered by other threads, e.g. how we judge the manager to be a success, etc.
Everything else seems to have been addressed or is on the up bar the new stadium; I am probably one of the few not hankering for a new stadium? Just a planned and systematic rebuild of each stand would suffice for me for the near future (along the likes of what Plymouth did to one of their stands 2 years ago?). Of course, a new stadium would be nice, just like a new car but will have to manage with the old one as long as it is fit to go from A-> B. PS If we do build / rebuild, I would strongly hope that the away facilities, e.g. Seating, Refreshments, Rest Areas, etc. are at least equal to ones for the home fans!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 24, 2020 5:56:42 GMT
Success? This is a relative term and ever-changing from season to season.
When in non league, success meant (to me) at least holding our own in 3rd division and pushing for promotion opportunity as I had seen this as our natural positional place in the order of things.
The last half of the season and the start to this, I've seen a huge threat to that. Others don't, and wish to give it more time.
Now. Today. Success....I see this as just having a club to return to in this climate. Where is our funding coming from?
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Post by wertongas on Sept 24, 2020 10:19:23 GMT
Getting back to where we were when i first started watching Rovers in the second tier back in the seventies, would be nice to see us challenging for promotion to the premier league and playing in a decent stadium, with Special lady gardeny below us so we can s**t on them.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 24, 2020 11:24:34 GMT
Getting back to where we were when i first started watching Rovers in the second tier back in the seventies, would be nice to see us challenging for promotion to the premier league and playing in a decent stadium, with Special lady gardeny below us so we can s**t on them. but we never challenged for promotion to the top flight in the 70s - every season (about 7 ) was a fight to stay up - look at the league tables for then. The only time we looked like going up to the top division was a couple of times in the 50s - I think in one season with 2 games to go we had a good chance of going up but I think we lost those last 2 games.
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