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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 2, 2020 11:58:57 GMT
What he has done is virtually wipe out a whole team and replaced it with a group of kids and a few players from clubs the same or lower than us. It is a recipe for diasaster, and no amount of loans will make any difference. I will be amazed of we get halfway, even more amazed if we dont go down.
And, if BG is so good, why was he unemployed when we took him on?
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 11:59:43 GMT
Yaaaayyyyyyyyy!!!! MID-TABLE!!!!!! WHOOOOOOO!!!! Do we dare to dream? Mid-tay-bull! Mid-tay-bull! Mid-tay-bull! Whose on the mid-table bus with us?! Come on guys! We can do it! What a season that's gonna be! Seriously. Can you imagine? Wael will have to break out the open top bus if we smash a mid-tabler. F**K YEAH! Im playing devils advocate here so go with it.... Do you think finishing mid-tay-bull ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is bad and does that mean every season (no matter who the manager is) they should be sacked for finishing mid table? Or does it apply just to BG? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"!
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 2, 2020 12:05:04 GMT
Im playing devils advocate here so go with it.... Do you think finishing mid-tay-bull ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is bad and does that mean every season (no matter who the manager is) they should be sacked for finishing mid table? Or does it apply just to BG? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! He had a lack of ambition. There is no reason why we cannot be a club in the to 6. Asfor not expecting to beat Big clubs; why not? We are all in the same league, we are all league one clubs, Sunderland, for all their "Hugeness" have been here for a few years now.
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Post by Marshy on Oct 2, 2020 12:06:29 GMT
Im playing devils advocate here so go with it.... Do you think finishing mid-tay-bull ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is bad and does that mean every season (no matter who the manager is) they should be sacked for finishing mid table? Or does it apply just to BG? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! And did we? 😁 I dread to think what this place is going to be like come 5pm tomorrow if we lose! The mods had better be on high alert, it will get very nasty pasty.
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Post by cj on Oct 2, 2020 12:06:45 GMT
Bottom of the table after 3 games. Things can only improve (I hope) as the players get use to each other and BG's style. Yet we are only 5 points away from top 6 mind (tongue in cheek comment btw).
In all seriousness though, the 3 games played were against 3 tough opponents, which im sure a lot of fans expected these 3 games to be really tough when the fixtures were announced. Or did people honestly have the expectations of winning them all? Lets give BG a chance yeah because he has only had 3 games with a team that we can now say is HIS. Lets give the team a chance to grow and improve yeah?
And just my humble opinion but anyone using last seasons stats against BG is purely using it as a stick to hit BG with. It wasn't his team. It was CG's team. Maybe he shouldn't have change a boring yet winning system that was CG's, however I don't blame him for doing so because he is his own person and has his own idea's and was employed to do things his way and not someone else's way. The players he had at his disposal were (by the admittance of several players last season) that they were not fit enough to keep up with BG's system. We could see some players were also not good enough either. Now he has his team, lets judge him on that. 3 league games in against 3 tough team which we all expected at the beginning. Surely things can improve - IF given the chance. 3 games in my opinion is not being given a chance.
Were the two cup games his team or not? Just so I know exactly what the strict judging criteria is. And if not then presumably the Oxford game on Tuesday night won't be his team either? In which case we can probably ignore the league fixtures v Oxford as well I guess? Let me know. Of course the cup games are his team. But I have only counted the league games as they are the ones that actually matter. For example, would you rather get relegated but have a good cup run or the opposite? But if you really want to, lets count the 2 cup games. 1 was against Ipswich, which as we already learned from my previous comment is a tough opponent - like they still was when we faced them in the league shortly afterwards. The other was Walsall, A DC side with a lot to prove against his former side, which we didn't actually lose (forgetting the penalty shoot out of course). But none of that matters as they still full under the fact that we are a new side, players still getting use to each other - which should (hopefully improve as we go along.
Some will say that I am a happy clapper but I am not. I just see the bigger picture and understand that things take time and we need patience. Instant success will not happen, yet that is what people obviously expected after some of our signings. And to be honest with you, I actually was expecting much better myself in these 3 league games. But that was my expectations when we actually had a goal threat. My expectations lowered a lot when he left because we know longer had that goal threat which would on paper worry the opposition before the game. His goals are gone and need to be replaced, like what happened when Bodin, Taylor and Harrison left. Its hard as (we know) to replace those goals. Hopefully our new strikers start scoring regularly to start worrying the opposition. But like most things in life, this will take time.
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Post by cj on Oct 2, 2020 12:10:19 GMT
Im playing devils advocate here so go with it.... Do you think finishing mid-tay-bull ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) is bad and does that mean every season (no matter who the manager is) they should be sacked for finishing mid table? Or does it apply just to BG? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table?
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 2, 2020 12:11:21 GMT
When asked about Byron Anthony, you can picture him thinking who the hell is he, should i know. He's off to quickly google it after the interview.
Overall in the interview he does seem to give business like responses. I'm sure discussing with Wael he comes across very convincing. However as others have said completely lacking in charisma, emotion or passion. He would make a great manager in HMRC or such like but not a football team.
What he seems to fail to grasp is football matches aren't won by having this great theory of how football should be played. The aim is to score goals and win games. Yes it would be nice to play slick passing football but if it isn't clicking then you need to have some pragmatism. The aim is to win matches not gain accolades for artistic impression ( which they wouldn't be wining at the moment).
What I think is glaring obvious though is he doesn't see a problem. He seems to think it is only a matter of carrying on as we are and eventually the results will come. This is worrying as there is no self analysis on what is going wrong. He needs to recognise there is a problem and address it.
If we are not able to play Ben's way and win then he needs to adapt this until we can play that way. If not then the only other option is for him to be sacked. Were not a Guinee pig club for him to try out his theories. If we end up in League two he will shrug his shoulders, say I guess it didn't work out after all, move on to some other job and not give a second thought for the club. Ben needs to realise he is in charge of a football club and this club means much much more to the fans that it will ever do for him.
I can't imagine DC giving an interview like that. He got it, he knew what the football club meant to us supporters.
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Post by TAGas on Oct 2, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? I don't think they're saying that, just that it shouldn't be the aim or feel content with it.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 12:14:38 GMT
Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? Of course not that's ridiculous. A mid-table finish is exactly what we should be aiming for only three league games into the season. We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! E-I-E-I-O to the middle of the football league we go. When we get to 13th this is what we'll sing: Take it easy, have a rest lads, we're alright just here! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe uuuuusssss The Gas are going up (to 12th)!
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 2, 2020 12:14:39 GMT
He can only answer the questions being asked and dull questions normally get dull answers. Q: fans have reservations about the 343 set up and the low scoring ,high conceding, makes them think the system is wrong for league one. What do you see in the system currently that says the fans are wrong and you are right ? Might be one less predictable question. Anyone else got a more searching question to push BG with ? Have to agree - the questions were p*ss poor I thought. Dull question about Lines & what sort of player he is now, dull question about Keith Curle, dull question about Byron Anthony etc. It’s not what the fans want to hear about right now. I’d love to hear him asked any of the below: • What would you say to those supporters who are concerned that a proven L1 goalscorer hasn’t been adequately replaced? • What’s your message to those supporters who feel you aren’t the right man for the job, having only managed 2 wins from your 24 games in charge? • Why do you think your side look vulnerable from set pieces so far this season? Is it a problem with the defensive setup? A deficiency in the mentality of the players? A lack of experienced leaders to organise on the pitch? Etc...
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Post by TAGas on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
When asked about Byron Anthony, you can picture him thinking who the hell is he, should i know. He's off to quickly google it after the interview. Overall in the interview he does seem to give business like responses. I'm sure discussing with Wael he comes across very convincing. However as others have said completely lacking in charisma, emotion or passion. He would make a great manager in HMRC or such like but not a football team. What he seems to fail to grasp is football matches aren't won by having this great theory of how football should be played. The aim is to score goals and win games. Yes it would be nice to play slick passing football but if it isn't clicking then you need to have some pragmatism. The aim is to win matches not gain accolades for artistic impression ( which they wouldn't be wining at the moment). What I think is glaring obvious though is he doesn't see a problem. He seems to think it is only a matter of carrying on as we are and eventually the results will come. This is worrying as there is no self analysis on what is going wrong. He needs to recognise there is a problem and address it. If we are not able to play Ben's way and win then he needs to adapt this until we can play that way. If not then the only other option is for him to be sacked. Were not a Guinee pig club for him to try out his theories. If we end up in League two he will shrug his shoulders, say I guess it didn't work out after all, move on to some other job and not give a second thought for the club. Ben needs to realise he is in charge of a football club and this club means much much more to the fans that it will ever do for him. I can't imagine DC giving an interview like that. He got it, he knew what the football club meant to us supporters. I can't argue with this at all, well said.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:44 GMT
Were the two cup games his team or not? Just so I know exactly what the strict judging criteria is. And if not then presumably the Oxford game on Tuesday night won't be his team either? In which case we can probably ignore the league fixtures v Oxford as well I guess? Let me know. Of course the cup games are his team. But I have only counted the league games as they are the ones that actually matter. For example, would you rather get relegated but have a good cup run or the opposite? But if you really want to, lets count the 2 cup games. 1 was against Ipswich, which as we already learned from my previous comment is a tough opponent - like they still was when we faced them in the league shortly afterwards. The other was Walsall, A DC side with a lot to prove against his former side, which we didn't actually lose (forgetting the penalty shoot out of course). But none of that matters as they still full under the fact that we are a new side, players still getting use to each other - which should (hopefully improve as we go along.
Some will say that I am a happy clapper but I am not. I just see the bigger picture and understand that things take time and we need patience. Instant success will not happen, yet that is what people obviously expected after some of our signings. And to be honest with you, I actually was expecting much better myself in these 3 league games. But that was my expectations when we actually had a goal threat. My expectations lowered a lot when he left because we know longer had that goal threat which would on paper worry the opposition before the game. His goals are gone and need to be replaced, like what happened when Bodin, Taylor and Harrison left. Its hard as (we know) to replace those goals. Hopefully our new strikers start scoring regularly to start worrying the opposition. But like most things in life, this will take time.
So, just to clarify ... cup game against Oxford on Tuesday - counts or not?
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Oct 2, 2020 12:16:02 GMT
Sadly he’s got the look and sound of a man who knows he’s on his way out.
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Post by cj on Oct 2, 2020 12:16:54 GMT
Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! And did we? 😁 I dread to think what this place is going to be like come 5pm tomorrow if we lose! The mods had better be on high alert, it will get very nasty pasty. I agree. I personally don't bother coming on here after games (unless we win) as its hard to reason with some who are intent of showing all sorts of negativity based on their emotions of the game. Instead, I wait for a day or 2 when when I am in a better frame of mind myself and hopefully others are too and that way I can't react after the game through emotion and say something that I probably won't regret but instead I can try and offer a voice of reason.
Based on this, I see you on Monday I guess.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 12:17:37 GMT
Isn't mid-table what every football fan wants? The competitive part of the season to be over by about the end of March and to watch the last 6 games played by the trainees or the seniors in their flip-flops? I can remember when Father Christmas brought me my first Rovers shirt I couldn't contain my excitement when my dad said to me "You know, son. I've got a great feeling about this season. There's just this magic about the team ... I can just feel it ... we're going to finish 14th"! And did we? 😁 I dread to think what this place is going to be like come 5pm tomorrow if we lose! The mods had better be on high alert, it will get very nasty pasty. 92/93 - relegated 😐
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Post by Marshy on Oct 2, 2020 12:19:14 GMT
And did we? 😁 I dread to think what this place is going to be like come 5pm tomorrow if we lose! The mods had better be on high alert, it will get very nasty pasty. 92/93 - relegated 😐 Oh dear.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2020 12:23:06 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? Of course not that's ridiculous. A mid-table finish is exactly what we should be aiming for only three league games into the season. We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! E-I-E-I-O to the middle of the football league we go. When we get to 13th this is what we'll sing: Take it easy, have a rest lads, we're alright just here! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe uuuuusssss The Gas are going up (to 12th)! So we should always be watered off if we don't challenge for promotion, regardless of the state of our facilities and budget in relation to other clubs? Is this what you're saying? Don't get me wrong we should be ambitious, but we should also not be unrealistic. Realism is important in my view and it is not defeatist, it's simply a way of trying to have a level headed view of what our expectations should be, when all things are considered. Does that mean we should not at least aim higher? Of course not.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 2, 2020 12:23:21 GMT
give it time and it will work-negatives dont want it to happen -Garner will get it right-mid table this season -top six next- its a completley new squad what do people expect-the wins will come but the negatives will always find something to complain about as thats their life Fair enough 69 we all have our views. Mine are widely available on here. You ask a perfectly relevant question, “what do people expect.” Rather than just try and shout even louder, I’ll try and give an answer, I can’t speak for others but I’ll tell you what I expect, as well as what I didn’t expect. I expected us to be able to be competitive which we were until the last 10 minutes of the first two matches and the second half at Doncaster. I expect a manager who can recognise what the opposition are trying to do and can counter it as the match progresses. The second halves have been dreadful. We haven’t done that. I expect a manager to set us up so we have a chance to play, a chance to score and a chance to win. Our set up so far have been poor. I expect, having recruited the squad he wants, the manager to be able, after pre-season training, to be delivering a style of play that gives us a chance. We haven’t done that and I’ve not really worked out what our style is or will be. I expect how we play to be able to give our forward (s) a chance to score without having their backs to the goal continually and receiving hopeless passes. I expect the players to look interested and enthusiastic, unfortunately they have started to argue and bicker after conceding. It was a bit embarrassing in Saturday. I really don’t expect that. I also expect some realism and honesty in his press conferences either pre-match or post-match. They are woeful, if they make me smile with how he puts the blame elsewhere and his use of 20 words where 2 or 3 would do I hate to think what the players think. So I expect more there. I expect more shots on goal and more chances created but the stats so far are woeful. I could go on but I hope you get the gist! And to finish just two more: Although it’s only a small thing, it’s beginning to irk me but if he really wants to be our manager could he possibly look as if he’s the BRFC manager and not someone who’s rolled out for a Sunday League match in anything that was close to hand? Some branded clothing would be a start. And finally, I certainly didn’t expect to be bottom of the league, even after 3 matches, two of them difficult but the third against a club on a par with us. You’ll realise reading other stuff that I actually support BG and hope he turns it around but when you talk about expectations I’m happy to give you mine. Here’s hoping for a win tomorrow!😉 UTG!
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Post by cj on Oct 2, 2020 12:23:35 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? I don't think they're saying that, just that it shouldn't be the aim or feel content with it. Thanks. I totally agree. That shouldn't be the aim. Maybe for a promoted team who just want consolidation in their 1st season or even a side similar to Bolton last season who would have dreamed for a mid table finish. But again, correct me if I am wrong (and according to the wife, this is often) but I don't think anyone at the club has said the aim of mid table or fans either. I be shocked if fans have said this. If they have, maybe it was based on being bottom and as a result they would take mid table now. You know, like when some say they would take a point at Sunderland before kick off even happened?
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Post by cj on Oct 2, 2020 12:29:39 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? Of course not that's ridiculous. A mid-table finish is exactly what we should be aiming for only three league games into the season. We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! E-I-E-I-O to the middle of the football league we go. When we get to 13th this is what we'll sing: Take it easy, have a rest lads, we're alright just here! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe uuuuusssss The Gas are going up (to 12th)! Out of curiosity, has anyone said the aim is mid table for us? I haven't heard or seen it myself, which doesn't mean it hasn't happened of course. You seem very passionate about not being happy with mid table and that is a great attitude. I am just wondering what is making you say mid table. Has someone said this is the aim? I mean only 3 games have gone so far. Still 43 to go (hopefully). Plenty of time for challenging further up. If time is allowed of course.
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