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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 12:10:10 GMT
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 12:11:41 GMT
gaschat.co.uk/post/661314- £100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots
- 8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA
- From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs
- Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
- New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league
- The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield
- 24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90 (PL reduced to 18 teams)
- A women's professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA
- Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams
- Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts
- A fan charter including capping of away tickets at £20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity
- Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament
- Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England
Most controversially: "The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club."
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 12:16:34 GMT
FWIW, I think most of the proposals are good and would greatly benefit those clubs lower down the chain in the EFL. Naturally, the 'long-term shareholders' absolutely gain something from it but that's business and to be expected.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 11, 2020 12:18:21 GMT
FWIW, I think most of the proposals are good and would greatly benefit those clubs lower down the chain in the EFL. Naturally, the 'long-term shareholders' absolutely gain something from it but that's business and to be expected. I think most efl clubs and supporters would have to be in favour of this. Anything but B Teams or going out of business. |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 12:27:55 GMT
FWIW, I think most of the proposals are good and would greatly benefit those clubs lower down the chain in the EFL. Naturally, the 'long-term shareholders' absolutely gain something from it but that's business and to be expected. I think most efl clubs and supporters would have to be in favour of this. Anything but B Teams or going out of business. I think the B teams thing is negated by the additional rule of extra domestic-based loans, so would create defacto B teams or full affiliates anyway. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 11, 2020 12:30:41 GMT
I think most efl clubs and supporters would have to be in favour of this. Anything but B Teams or going out of business. I think the B teams thing is negated by the additional rule of extra domestic-based loans, so would create defacto B teams or full affiliates anyway. Yes, I agree. I think there is a big difference with that though for football supporters. Morecambe could have a starting 11 on loan from Premiership clubs for example but the fact it is for Morecambe not Man City B team is perceptively seen very differently by supporters etc. |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
I think the B teams thing is negated by the additional rule of extra domestic-based loans, so would create defacto B teams or full affiliates anyway. Yes, I agree. I think there is a big difference with that though for football supporters. Morecambe could have a starting 11 on loan from Premiership clubs for example but the fact it is for Morecambe not Man City B team is perceptively seen very differently by supporters etc. Agreed. It seems the EFL chairman Rick Parry is supposedly on board the proposals. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 11, 2020 12:38:25 GMT
Greeks bearing gifts.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2020 12:47:41 GMT
Threaten B Teams as the price of financial support, then offer something marginally less unpalatable which will be accepted? |
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Post by gregsy on Oct 11, 2020 13:03:52 GMT
Abolition of the league cup is an interesting one given the the prize money for the FA cup has been halved this year on the grounds on covid....
I might we a cynical bastard, but its an attempt to change the money spread differently with a sugar topped strawberry to enjoy....
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Post by Jomo on Oct 11, 2020 13:13:50 GMT
The mere fact that not all clubs are treated equally in the vote, already makes these proposals stink in my eyes.
Why should the big six get preferential treatment, when the only reason they're in that "Big Six" is because they've spent insane amounts of money to get there. Particularly Man City who would never have been given that special treatment prior to getting what was like the real-life equivalent of a cheat on Football Manager video game.
I fear that lower league clubs will be sucked in by the funding because they have no other choice, and then suddenly it'll be: "Remember when we helped you out? Well now it's time for you to give us something in return".
Question for Gasheads, if it was a direct choice between the following, what would you rather we did?
1. Take the money on the basis that that let's B teams in
2. Reject the money, face liquidation, and form a new club to come back up through the non-league pyramid a la Wimbledon?
The Premier League really have got the lower league clubs right where they want them, and I am really concerned about this.
I hope I'm only being paranoid.
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Post by nsblue on Oct 11, 2020 13:20:04 GMT
Oh dear, quick better put up some more temporary stands!
Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 13:34:03 GMT
The mere fact that not all clubs are treated equally in the vote, already makes these proposals stink in my eyes. Why should the big six get preferential treatment, when the only reason they're in that "Big Six" is because they've spent insane amounts of money to get there. Particularly Man City who would never have been given that special treatment prior to getting what was like the real-life equivalent of a cheat on Football Manager video game. I fear that lower league clubs will be sucked in by the funding because they have no other choice, and then suddenly it'll be: "Remember when we helped you out? Well now it's time for you to give us something in return". Question for Gasheads, if it was a direct choice between the following, what would you rather we did?
1. Take the money on the basis that that let's B teams in
2. Reject the money, face liquidation, and form a new club to come back up through the non-league pyramid a la Wimbledon?The Premier League really have got the lower league clubs right where they want them, and I am really concerned about this. I hope I'm only being paranoid. I appreciate you're speaking hypothetically but they aren't requesting B teams, so I'd take the money on the basis that the additional loan rule is permitted instead of B teams. B teams are a cancer and I would reject if they were included. FWIW, whilst the situation is undeniably crap, the PL has buckets of money and lower league clubs are struggling, it is not the responsibility of Manchester United et al to 'save' EFL clubs like Macclesfield, Wigan, etc. |
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Post by legas on Oct 11, 2020 13:34:39 GMT
While I like the most of the ‘sweeteners’ in this proposed deal, it’s effectively shoring up the big 6 financially and in terms of power (particularly sinister is the power to block takeovers of premier league rivals - “no ‘new money’ allowed to gate crash this club”).
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Post by Goose on Oct 11, 2020 13:39:09 GMT
I bet secretly they're glad covid has happened.... it now enables them to have ultimate power with also being able to try and look like the saviours... But in the end if they could pocket £1m for the sake of a lower League club going out of business, they would
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Post by Westy on Oct 11, 2020 13:47:55 GMT
The mere fact that not all clubs are treated equally in the vote, already makes these proposals stink in my eyes. Why should the big six get preferential treatment, when the only reason they're in that "Big Six" is because they've spent insane amounts of money to get there. Particularly Man City who would never have been given that special treatment prior to getting what was like the real-life equivalent of a cheat on Football Manager video game. I fear that lower league clubs will be sucked in by the funding because they have no other choice, and then suddenly it'll be: "Remember when we helped you out? Well now it's time for you to give us something in return". Question for Gasheads, if it was a direct choice between the following, what would you rather we did?
1. Take the money on the basis that that let's B teams in
2. Reject the money, face liquidation, and form a new club to come back up through the non-league pyramid a la Wimbledon?The Premier League really have got the lower league clubs right where they want them, and I am really concerned about this. I hope I'm only being paranoid. I appreciate you're speaking hypothetically but they aren't requesting B teams, so I'd take the money on the basis that the additional loan rule is permitted instead of B teams. B teams are a cancer and I would reject if they were included. FWIW, whilst the situation is undeniably crap, the PL has buckets of money and lower league clubs are struggling, it is not the responsibility of Manchester United et al to 'save' EFL clubs like Macclesfield, Wigan, etc. Not yet perhaps, however; once that voting power is consolidated to the "Big Six" what's to stop them voting in B teams later on.. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 11, 2020 13:53:18 GMT
This. If the top 9 are able to vote how they like I wouldn’t agree to anything that acts against the independence and integrity of the EFL clubs. The Manchester City plan is obvious, and they will wait and be prepared to play a “long” game. UTG! inews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-ferran-soriano-b-team-player-development-premier-league-695359 |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 14:10:48 GMT
I appreciate you're speaking hypothetically but they aren't requesting B teams, so I'd take the money on the basis that the additional loan rule is permitted instead of B teams. B teams are a cancer and I would reject if they were included. FWIW, whilst the situation is undeniably crap, the PL has buckets of money and lower league clubs are struggling, it is not the responsibility of Manchester United et al to 'save' EFL clubs like Macclesfield, Wigan, etc. Not yet perhaps, however; once that voting power is consolidated to the "Big Six" what's to stop them voting in B teams later on.. But the voting powers only matter for within the PL? How could they vote to do anything in the EFL? |
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Post by Westy on Oct 11, 2020 14:29:35 GMT
Not yet perhaps, however; once that voting power is consolidated to the "Big Six" what's to stop them voting in B teams later on.. But the voting powers only matter for within the PL? How could they vote to do anything in the EFL? Hopefully we don't have to find out is my position |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 11, 2020 14:40:06 GMT
But the voting powers only matter for within the PL? How could they vote to do anything in the EFL? Hopefully we don't have to find out is my position Well sure, but PL currently don't have a vote on which clubs (B teams etc.) join the EFL so not sure why/how that would change just because the way PL clubs vote is potentially changing? |
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