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Post by warehamgas on Oct 26, 2020 14:20:32 GMT
It’s a hard balance at the moment, health against wanting to watch sport and achieve some kind of normality in your life. I think clubs should look to get back crowds in hundreds to start with, then extend it to a 1000 and gradually build it up as it becomes safer. Not doing that is risking people finding something else to do to replace football. Sanitisers and masks a must and anyone not doing that is kept out. Policing it would be hard because Rovers couldn’t be seen to put our stewards in danger by having to police it against those breaking the rules. And of course those with health conditions, a positive test would not be allowed in and wouldn’t want to go would they? UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 15:38:02 GMT
I don't think so. Sometimes you have to play by the rules to be allowed to have things that you really want. What if someone had a genuine medical exemption? Would you ban someone for having a disability? In normal circumstances I would be very much against a ban for a disability. However, in this instance, if their respiratory health is so impaired that they are unable to wear a mask, I think that would have to be the case, as a temporary measure to get some fans back in the ground. It would be a decision for their own safety, and the safety of others who would be attending - which I feel is different to somebody being unable to attend because there are not appropriate arrangements/facilities available to accommodate them.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Oct 26, 2020 15:41:53 GMT
What if someone had a genuine medical exemption? Would you ban someone for having a disability? In normal circumstances I would be very much against a ban for a disability. However, in this instance, if their respiratory health is so impaired that they are unable to wear a mask, I think that would have to be the case, as a temporary measure to get some fans back in the ground. It would be a decision for their own safety, and the safety of others who would be attending - which I feel is different to somebody being unable to attend because there are not appropriate arrangements/facilities available to accommodate them. Surely it should be down to peoples own discretion and not someone else controlling life choices of others? After all it is their risk if they have respiratory issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 16:00:47 GMT
In normal circumstances I would be very much against a ban for a disability. However, in this instance, if their respiratory health is so impaired that they are unable to wear a mask, I think that would have to be the case, as a temporary measure to get some fans back in the ground. It would be a decision for their own safety, and the safety of others who would be attending - which I feel is different to somebody being unable to attend because there are not appropriate arrangements/facilities available to accommodate them. Surely it should be down to peoples own discretion and not someone else controlling life choices of others? After all it is their risk if they have respiratory issues. I think this thread within the thread relates to banning people who refuse to wear a mask if stadiums reopening deem it mandatory. I don’t think we are talking about banning people with certain medical conditions as such although it should be pretty obvious that the most at risk should be taking more precautions than the rest and stay at home. I guess you can also argue that “their life choices” if recklessly putting themselves at risk will have a knock on effect of burdening the NHS - underlying respiratory illness being probably the biggest factor in a Covid positive person being hospitalised?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 16:02:04 GMT
In normal circumstances I would be very much against a ban for a disability. However, in this instance, if their respiratory health is so impaired that they are unable to wear a mask, I think that would have to be the case, as a temporary measure to get some fans back in the ground. It would be a decision for their own safety, and the safety of others who would be attending - which I feel is different to somebody being unable to attend because there are not appropriate arrangements/facilities available to accommodate them. Surely it should be down to peoples own discretion and not someone else controlling life choices of others? After all it is their risk if they have respiratory issues. I thought that masks were being worn primarily to protect other people? If so, non-mask wearers would be putting others at risk.
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Post by aghast on Oct 26, 2020 17:39:27 GMT
With stricter lockdown measures sweeping across the country again, the whole discussion is a bit academic. It'll be months before fans are allowed back into stadiums, face masks or not.
Having said that, it is ludicrous that matches can be watched indoors in stadium bars with no masks, but step outside to a stand, and it's a no-no from the government.
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 26, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
Clubs can have some fans watching the match on TV in the stadium bars etc. You are more at risk inside a building than outside
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 26, 2020 17:45:52 GMT
I can't see any reason at all why fans can't be allowed in if wearing masks and spaciously distanced, you can walk down the street with people passing close by without masks and you can go into shops where customers and staff brush passed, so why can't you sit or stand in a stand 1- 2metres apart with your mask on and sanitiser at all entrances. Surely it is safer to be in a stand with an open front than in a shop or bar where you are closed in. Rovers could get 4,000 in the ground with social distancing and open bars. I am sure we wouldn't behave like the idiots in Liverpool or Manchester partying in the streets. No reason why grounds can't be opened in this part of the world. It is easier if you have an all seater stadium. So lets say we average 8k, we would need a 24k stadium so we could sit in social distanced seats
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 26, 2020 17:47:40 GMT
In normal circumstances I would be very much against a ban for a disability. However, in this instance, if their respiratory health is so impaired that they are unable to wear a mask, I think that would have to be the case, as a temporary measure to get some fans back in the ground. It would be a decision for their own safety, and the safety of others who would be attending - which I feel is different to somebody being unable to attend because there are not appropriate arrangements/facilities available to accommodate them. Surely it should be down to peoples own discretion and not someone else controlling life choices of others? After all it is their risk if they have respiratory issues. and that is the attitude that many students have, and now look big numbers are locked up in halls of residence
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