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Post by albaron on Oct 28, 2020 11:15:01 GMT
Just listened to Ben Garners reaction video and basically he was spot on.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 28, 2020 11:20:42 GMT
I wondered how long it would take for BG's post match interview to be brought up. I couldn't tell from the I-follow feed but if Baldwin has had his ankles tapped in the build up to the 2nd goal then of course he's going to mention it, does anyone really think McCann wouldn't be saying the exact same thing if it had happened at the other end ? There's no doubt it's changed the game, would Hull still have won had a foul been given, quite possibly but that doesn't change the fact it's cost us a goal. That moment isn't the sole reason we got beat, Hull in fairness were the better side but imo BG is correct when he says we aren't far away, we have a bit of improving to do but we're a young side who are only going to get better, if Westbrooke scores we might well have been talking about a completely different result.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 28, 2020 11:33:09 GMT
Empathise with the o p because I think not acquiring an experienced striker is a valid point and will be hazardous to our health later in the season. It's going to put pressure on the 3 at some point, and if Hanlan can't play, who is going to fill the physical presence and finishing prowess of jch we need in this division?
As much as I am very wary that BG still hasn't earned my respect, I thought our general play was ok and much improved from last month so am trying to hold back from unnecessary criticism. His little unbeaten run earned that.
I still think he makes questionable substitutions (Nicholson at RWB? Really?) and v Hull reacted too late because we could see a goal was coming because our defence was too deep.
I still think BG has yet to prove he can win a game or get a positive result when games are going against us.
I'm still yet to be convinced BG is a good manager, a decently qualified coach maybe, but yet to manage effectively.
But we have showed signs of progression, we are looking better, and this month is a marked improvemenr.
Not sure what planet he's on, but I'm giving him a well earned break from kicking him when he's down as he's done ok this month.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 11:41:43 GMT
I wondered how long it would take for BG's post match interview to be brought up. I couldn't tell from the I-follow feed but if Baldwin has had his ankles tapped in the build up to the 2nd goal then of course he's going to mention it, does anyone really think McCann wouldn't be saying the exact same thing if it had happened at the other end ? There's no doubt it's changed the game, would Hull still have won had a foul been given, quite possibly but that doesn't change the fact it's cost us a goal. That moment isn't the sole reason we got beat, Hull in fairness were the better side but imo BG is correct when he says we aren't far away, we have a bit of improving to do but we're a young side who are only going to get better, if Westbrooke scores we might well have been talking about a completely different result. But it’s selective and not objective. If we were to be completely honest about it if Tutonda had been out there to block the cross they may not even have equalised, if Westbrooke had done better with his shot they would have been 2-0 down. That’s why managers making excuses about what the ref didn’t do rings hollow because it’s only a small part of the bigger story which is that we made it easy for Hull because we aren’t good enough to take our limited chances and defend with proper application. And before people jump in and get their rocks off on calling me negative I’d ask them to dispute any of what I have said. Stating the factual truth is not slagging the team off. When we get to Hull’s level we won’t make those mistakes and that’s what I’d like to see Garner talking about and concentrating on- how we can improve. It’s easier to abdicate that responsibility and blame the ref though, obviously.
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Post by Langford Gas on Oct 28, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
Just watched the "official reaction video". He says, we are very close to being a "Top" six team. We had more possesion than Hull. Blames the referee for not giving a penalty for an ankle tap. I agree we didn't do much in the final 3rd, but perhaps thats because we didn't get in an experienced striker, or perhaps the midfield set up was wrong. As for the posession what ever he's on, I want some. And a question, did anyone else find long periods a bit boring? The same planet as me and I suspect many other fans. You misquote him, the ankle trip was on Baldwin way before the box and left him struggling to catch up and cut out the cross that lead to a goal. Stats prove we had more possession fact! Quality of that is open for debate, in my opinion in the first half Rovers were better than Hull but Hull as expected came on a lot stronger in the second half especially the substitutions they made. They scored from sloppy defending for the third goal and scored the second following what could haver been a foul. NOT A MILLION MILES AWAY FROM HULL as stated. Was that a penalty when Daly was rugby tackled in the box, bad miss by Westbrook, perhaps with hindsight Hanlan should have been greedy and shot. UTG I agree 100% ,IMO the overall difference between us and Hull on the night is experience
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Post by brads213 on Oct 28, 2020 12:16:15 GMT
What dreadful defending
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Post by markczgas on Oct 28, 2020 12:26:59 GMT
Just watched the "official reaction video". He says, we are very close to being a "Top" six team. We had more possesion than Hull. Blames the referee for not giving a penalty for an ankle tap. I agree we didn't do much in the final 3rd, but perhaps thats because we didn't get in an experienced striker, or perhaps the midfield set up was wrong. As for the posession what ever he's on, I want some. And a question, did anyone else find long periods a bit boring? You're on Planet Pizza, but all us Gaschatters still put up with you.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 28, 2020 12:32:14 GMT
Just watched the "official reaction video". He says, we are very close to being a "Top" six team. We had more possesion than Hull. Blames the referee for not giving a penalty for an ankle tap. I agree we didn't do much in the final 3rd, but perhaps thats because we didn't get in an experienced striker, or perhaps the midfield set up was wrong. As for the posession what ever he's on, I want some. And a question, did anyone else find long periods a bit boring? Just watched also. 'we are very close to being a "Top" six team': he didn't say 'top 6', he said one of the top teams in the division. I think he is right ' We had more possession than Hull': he is correct - see the BBC stats 'Blames the referee for not giving a penalty for an ankle tap': no he didn't. He said, correctly, that there was an ankle tap before their goal. Maybe we need a gaschat 'fact checker' to call out those who tell lies to suit their anti-BG agenda!! But the problem for you now is that you have lost credibility - will not be able to take any future comments of yours seriously if you can get basic things so wrong. Overall, it was a very good interview - answered the questions put to him honestly - nothing I could disagree with. I feel a draw would probably have been a fair result on the night, but a win was certainly possible. Disappointed that we lost bit we move on!
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Post by singupgas on Oct 28, 2020 12:39:18 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. Was always going to the case, people will pounce on first defeat. I do think we gave Hull as we have done for years against the "top" teams, too much respect. We were matching them for first 20 then decide to let them have the ball. Find it hard to believe we shared the possession. I like what I seeing now in bigger patches, but I would love us to be the aggressor and team that takes control.
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Post by xenongas on Oct 28, 2020 12:44:02 GMT
hmmmm. I don't like the recent positivity about the manager. But I can't bring up results or performances because of this darned recent success. Wait. A. Second. If I paraphrase this and misquote this...got it! Then, if I offer a slight compromise as a foil for some more criticism and follow with a leading question, that's it! My Wednesday sorted. I hope it rains all day too.
Impatience is the key. Another loss on Saturday and we can get the BG sacked poll out again.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 28, 2020 12:48:53 GMT
I wondered how long it would take for BG's post match interview to be brought up. I couldn't tell from the I-follow feed but if Baldwin has had his ankles tapped in the build up to the 2nd goal then of course he's going to mention it, does anyone really think McCann wouldn't be saying the exact same thing if it had happened at the other end ? There's no doubt it's changed the game, would Hull still have won had a foul been given, quite possibly but that doesn't change the fact it's cost us a goal. That moment isn't the sole reason we got beat, Hull in fairness were the better side but imo BG is correct when he says we aren't far away, we have a bit of improving to do but we're a young side who are only going to get better, if Westbrooke scores we might well have been talking about a completely different result. But it’s selective and not objective. If we were to be completely honest about it if Tutonda had been out there to block the cross they may not even have equalised, if Westbrooke had done better with his shot they would have been 2-0 down. That’s why managers making excuses about what the ref didn’t do rings hollow because it’s only a small part of the bigger story which is that we made it easy for Hull because we aren’t good enough to take our limited chances and defend with proper application. And before people jump in and get their rocks off on calling me negative I’d ask them to dispute any of what I have said. Stating the factual truth is not slagging the team off. When we get to Hull’s level we won’t make those mistakes and that’s what I’d like to see Garner talking about and concentrating on- how we can improve. It’s easier to abdicate that responsibility and blame the ref though, obviously. I don't think BG would dispute that we need to improve and personally I think there is already evidence that we are doing just that. Yes Hull were probably better on the night but you can't dispute the fact that had a foul been given in the build up to the 2nd goal things may have turned out differently, essentially that's all BG has said and I guarantee 99% of football league managers would do the same. That doesn't cover up that we have areas to improve on but nobody has claimed we are the finished article, we're a young side who are a work in progress. Of course there are moments in every game you can look back on and with hindsight say if that had happened it would have been different and you're completely right that had Tutonda done more to stop the cross they might not have scored the first goal, I'm sure that will be looked at when the management team analyse the game. My point really is that I 'm not sure it's fair to be critical of BG for pointing out that a decision which ultimately had a big influence on the game didn't go our way
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 28, 2020 12:49:19 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. Was always going to the case, people will pounce on first defeat. I do think we gave Hull as we have done for years against the "top" teams, too much respect. We were matching them for first 20 then decide to let them have the ball. Find it hard to believe we shared the possession. I like what I seeing now in bigger patches, but I would love us to be the aggressor and team that takes control. I'll level with you, we're doing a lot better than I expected but there's still plenty of issues. Our midfield last night had an average age of 22, in fact the 7 players in front of the back 4 only have 299 League appearances under their belt. That's 3 less than Ed Upson or 42.7 each which is less than a League One season. I think we're a bit wet behind the ears and need some guile in there.
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Post by Westy on Oct 28, 2020 13:34:57 GMT
Not sure about anyone else, but I bury my head in the sand when we lose. Not keen on listening to any manager for 5 minutes complain about something they can't change. I'll let the next match talk for him instead!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 28, 2020 13:39:13 GMT
Just watched the "official reaction video". He says, we are very close to being a "Top" six team. We had more possesion than Hull. Blames the referee for not giving a penalty for an ankle tap. I agree we didn't do much in the final 3rd, but perhaps thats because we didn't get in an experienced striker, or perhaps the midfield set up was wrong. As for the posession what ever he's on, I want some. And a question, did anyone else find long periods a bit boring? Do you ever wonder if you should do something else with your time? Perhaps something that makes you happy? He’s only voicing an opinion which he’s entitled to do. Just don’t try over in Marxist Corner. If they don’t like it they’ll rip your throat out.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 28, 2020 13:45:23 GMT
I thought it was a decent post match interview, one of his better ones after a defeat. Can’t disagree with much of what he’s said. Some will try to criticise because no matter what happens they’ve decided he’s not good enough and will pick on every defeat and probably every post match interview to criticise. Were he to succeed now they would lose credibility. We’ve had a good month, we lost a football match after playing ok in bits of that match and showing how inconsistent some of our players are. I hope in all the stuff going on in the defeat we can praise James Daly, showing he can be our striker with the right service, 3 goals from open play. When he sees the chance he’s quick to try it, well done. UTG!
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Post by richard on Oct 28, 2020 13:50:32 GMT
Do you ever wonder if you should do something else with your time? Perhaps something that makes you happy? He’s only voicing an opinion which he’s entitled to do. Just don’t try over in Marxist Corner. If they don’t like it they’ll rip your throat out. It's just that every single one of his opinions is negative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 14:01:57 GMT
The thing that i was disappointed in was the team needed help from the bench in the second half as we had lost any control of the game, it was just a matter of time before they scored and again just like the Burton game nothing from the manager to change what was happening in front of him. It may have had little impact but doing nothing the out come looked inevitable. I hope he is learning from this.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 28, 2020 14:19:27 GMT
We competed with a below par Hull performance for 45 mins, then as soon as they woke up we were found wanting.
Pretty much as I keep saying we are good enough to beat the lesser teams but not the top ones.
Our midfield is far too lightweight and we dont create enough chances imo
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 28, 2020 14:29:44 GMT
this thread just shows what a bunch of arseholes are on here. Was always going to the case, people will pounce on first defeat. I think AF was just highlighting the irony in this post and one on the Coughlan thread.
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Post by lavalamp on Oct 28, 2020 14:44:45 GMT
What I am concerned about so far this season is with our lack of goals from open passage of play (and not from penalties, resulting from free kicks or opposition defensive errors).
That to me, it where we are extremely lacking.
That's not a criticism just an observation.
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