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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 31, 2020 17:22:56 GMT
League table has taken shape already. Except for Lincoln, the rest of the top teams are all the ones you would expect to be up there. Keep thinking Oxford will start making a surge up the table. They are the one team, that are a lot lower than the majority thought they would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 17:23:11 GMT
Two similar teams, lots of passing but going nowhere.
A point away though is never bad.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 31, 2020 17:24:34 GMT
League table has taken shape already. Except for Lincoln, the rest of the top teams are all the ones you would expect to be up there. Keep thinking Oxford will start making a surge up the table. They are the one team, that are a lot lower than the majority thought they would be. Yeah swap them Lincoln then it is pretty much going as expected. I think if Oxford don't beat Rochdale Tues night, then Karl Robinson could be gone, and maybe replaced by little Lee? |
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Post by piratesquarters on Oct 31, 2020 17:29:19 GMT
An away point is a good point, but with Peterborough coming up 3 points would have felt much better, somebody at the club needs to get on the phone to Swindon to find out how the mighty Hull got turned over with their championship quality players! ha ha ! That's football. Hull didn't look that great against us at ht !! It's uncanny, the curse of Clem strikes again.  |
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Post by devonblue on Oct 31, 2020 17:42:58 GMT
Much better in the second half and would have settled for a point beforehand. UTG
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Post by roosty56 on Oct 31, 2020 17:50:34 GMT
A much better 2nd half, too many passes going astray 1st half, just wish once on top we turn the screw.
I predicted a draw at the start so it’s a point. But possible 3 points thrown away, needed to be more clinical in final third,which is not a reflection on the front men, it’s a point away from home, so we move on to the next ...
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Post by onedaygas83 on Oct 31, 2020 17:51:05 GMT
My only concern with games this season is mainly down to the lack of scoring more than 1 goal a game! We are a work in process yes and still look raw yes and at the back we look vulnerable at times but for the amount of forward play we are creating I do feel we need to start taking more chances or we could become a lower mid table team with a awfully low goal difference. Think we had about 6 breakaway chances to score today and again with only one goal it does need sorting if we are to make our ever improved performances count.
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Post by justin blue on Oct 31, 2020 18:04:31 GMT
Good result today against a useful side. I am amazed at the progress we have made since the Ipswich game after last seasons debacle. Up until then it was merely a matter of how many we would lose by. We now go into games with different expectations and we can compete with any team in this league. Ben Garner is bringing in a different style than we have ever seen at rovers and it’s been a tough transition, but the signs are there and we are getting there steadily. I think sooner or later it’s gonna come together and we are going to beat teams convincingly. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 31, 2020 18:15:58 GMT
"good result" given how much possession we had/chances created that surely as to be 2pts lost rather than 1pt gained? It seems once the oppositions defence settle down after the first 5 mins or so of a game we never really look like scoring. Hopefully Ayunga is fit soon in order to give us more options up front.
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Post by yaz on Oct 31, 2020 18:49:39 GMT
Not a bad point, some encouraging signs of improvement in the second half. Rochdale is never traditionally a happy hunting ground for us. I think we’re going to have to work on possession retention, we try to play it out the back but far too many times, especially in the first half the ball was given away far too cheaply. Would like to see the intensity stepped up at times as well. Nicholson looks a class act, got to be a starter after that performance. I thought Westbrooke had a good game and played some nice balls in the second half, we always look better when he’s on his game. Peterborough at home on Tuesday will be a tough game with the form they’re in, will have to be sharp and focussed from the first whistle for that. I am quoting you as I generally agree with your thoughts. I don't want to say much about the game but just about our midfield (again). I think, so far, it is ineffective and not as good as it should be. Grant had a poor game and was not in the game at all. Westbrook similarly had a poor game (relative to the amount of ball he had) with too many simple stray passes that even the stewards on the side did better? Further, he played too deep and was almost alongside Ehmer quite a few times. This disconnects the linkage between the midfield and the forwards so that there is no gelling together. But one thing I did notice, which I haven't seen in previous games was that Westbrook: - could run with the ball and glide past the opposition almost effortlessly (did only once in this game) - has a great shot even from distance and looks like he can hit the target (if he doesn't try to put too much power) [once only] So as others have commented, he looks to have the potential / makings of a very good player at a higher level but needs to improve e.g. his passing, especially very simple 5 yard balls and also not take the lazy option by trying to just get rid of the ball, make more attacking runs, take more shots even from distance, better set pieces, etc. He also needs to dominate the middle by not falling back too deep and asserting himself on the opposition by pushing up and taking a few more calculated risks. So although not impressed with his performance, Westbrook needs to assert himself more and has the makings of a very good midfield general who should also score goals. Grant still has some way to go in my opinion. Nicholson was my MoM although Hanlan played well towards the end but they both need to shoot a bit more and even run with the ball much more at the opposition defence (instead of heading backwards). |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2020 19:34:14 GMT
Lots of comments on Zain W and have to agree with Yaz (too long to quote!). He had his best half as a Rovers player in the second half so perhaps BG gave him a rocket and told him to up his game. I like him and think he’ll do well but having seen all games this season I’ve noticed that when the defence pass to him they always pass to his feet and not 1/2 yards ahead of him to run onto and maintain a forward impetus. It goes to his feet and he immediately controls it by taking it back a yard or two and much forward impetus is lost. Not necessarily a criticism but he seems to find it hard to gather in his stride. But in the second half he changed it and he was taking the ball in his stride and moving with the ball and he was far more dangerous.
Nicholson had a good first half and played well in patches in the second. Hare had a better game in attack than he had recently. Hansan is a handful for any defence and they usually had two men on him and that made it hard for him but he did create two good chances for himself. He is stronger than most defences he’s faced and if he had a bit more pace he would get free and find it easier to score. Unfortunately he usually gets the ball outside the box and lacking that speed means he can’t quite get away from the defence. And as we saw in the second half when we had 3 or 4 breakaways and chances to thread it forward for him the midfielders either didn’t time the pass or overhit the ball. It was disappointing as I thought a better team would have beaten Rochdale easily, they were there for the taking imo. Daly was ok, he does so much running and hassling the defence but today you could see his frustration when he realised the others weren’t doing that which allowed Rochdale to play out most of the time. When everyone got tight and hassled them we put them under pressure and we scored our goal.
The CHs played ok and over the past 4 games I think Ehmer has got better and better and he had a good game today. Baldwin seems to make one really bad mistake every match and it usually costs us, as it did again today. That ball over his head from the keeper for the goal was so poor I’m sure some Sunday League players would be upset. But Harries played better than the second half against Hull and his diagonal balls out to Hare can be effective. If he can push on he will become a really good CH.
I really like the players and what I’ve seen this season, most of the time! Individually, they all look comfortable and the CHs are developing into a good unit esp if Baldwin can cut out that awful error per match. It’s the midfield which is not working as a unit that worries the opposition at the moment. All are good as individuals but room for improvement is needed esp against the top sides.
Overall, a good October and we’re 13th, perhaps about right. I think we have the individual players to be better and if we could see the midfield really click we should be higher. Fingers crossed. It was a hard fought away draw so well done to BG and the team.
UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 31, 2020 19:41:32 GMT
Better second half, first half the strikers were self isolating with the midfield too deep, like Sam Nicholson has a lot of talent. Zain is getting better with each game. Soft goal to concede.
Overall pleased with a point, be good to have Jonah back to give us another option.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
Really impressed with the 18yo loan keeper from Man City and the Rochdale No.6 Yes, they really were very good players. The No 6, Roberts, on loan from Brighton I think. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 19:49:05 GMT
Peterborough make championship on JCH’s goals ? Penalties don’t count. There is an opta stat about expected goals that is far more meaningful! |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2020 19:57:45 GMT
Pretty poor so far , I’m yet to be convinced with this style that involves the defence playing pointless passes to each other and Westbrooke who seems to be a quarterback sitting in front of the playing pointless passes to the defence before we give the ball away. I’d like to see us play a more direct higher tempo game through midfield we’ve got the players to do it but everything seems to go through Westbrooke and he slows it down so much it’s infuriating I actually preferred Coughlans style. It’s a results business and as long as the results are at least half decent I’ll be happy but I think the whole Garners side are good to watch thing is a myth. Yes, agree. It makes me very nervous when they pass around at the back. They seem to overdo it and 30 seconds after they’ve started doing it they end up back where they started. Ehmer particularly looks uncomfortable when they do it. I worry that they do it just to tick a box about being “a good football-playing team”. Ultimately it’s not over effective because we usually end up sending it long. I suppose to be fair to the CHs the midfield don’t always give them a short forward pass except when ZW comes short and he rarely dribbles with it so he’s then looking for an out ball. But I do prefer this to CGs style. In the second half I was almost expecting us to score which we should have done, we had the chances and I thought the second half was good to watch. But I agree we weren’t good in the first half and that was poor after we scored. Individually we are good but the midfield “system” is not completely working atm. BG has plenty of choice there but he does have his work cut out to make that midfield effective, it wasn’t today. UTG! |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 31, 2020 19:59:29 GMT
Without a goal scorer, we are a mid-table team at best. A point today was good but we will lose against Peterborough. Not sure a goal scorer would make any difference to us atm - we don’t create anything. Our players are having to create goals for themselves & our strikers feed on scraps 90% of the time. |
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Oct 31, 2020 20:12:54 GMT
my confidence has be knocked somewhat. so I'll answer 2 ways. if its the same team out we will loose 1-0 If its mixed up a bit with say Nicholson or Oztumer or maybe both I'll go for 0-0 Why would playing two attacking players help us achieve a 0-0? Plus how do you intend fitting Nicholson into the side? um..... |
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 31, 2020 20:37:18 GMT
The top 9 are all to be expected as being up there !! |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 31, 2020 20:38:28 GMT
A fair result from what I saw of the game. However, Garner need to get Hanlan/Nicholson/Daly a lot more clinical when attacking.
The amount of chances we had to score in the 2nd half was unreal but somehow we never even got the shot away. Too often did Hanlan have the ball at his feat in the box with Daly/JML//Nicholson not having any idea where to run and Hanlan then looking completely lost and kicking it straight at their CB.
Ok performance but lots to work on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
A fair result from what I saw of the game. However, Garner need to get Hanlan/Nicholson/Daly a lot more clinical when attacking. The amount of chances we had to score in the 2nd half was unreal but somehow we never even got the shot away. Too often did Hanlan have the ball at his feat in the box with Daly/JML//Nicholson not having any idea where to run and Hanlan then looking completely lost and kicking it straight at their CB. Ok performance but lots to work on. But we can at least see a path now. End of October,9 games in, this is as good a position as I hoped we would be when I argued for giving Garner ten games/end October. Plus, we have a better squad than I anticipated...upto the manager and coaches to get them playing and winning more. They have the players |
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