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Post by cockergas on Nov 6, 2020 19:47:34 GMT
I got on board by spending over 700 quid on season tickets and watching all our away games on ifollow. I don't think saying my true feelings about our manager on here as Garner Bashing, it certainly does not effect the team in any way. If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 6, 2020 20:03:30 GMT
If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. I don't think in my 20 odd years of using forums the mentality has changed a great deal. I would actually say that this platform opens up more debate and realistically analyses stuff better than other social media platforms..... OK, there's a lot of negativity, and probably too much repetition, but its nothing new....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2020 20:13:01 GMT
If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. Maybe if he was less sh** at managing and a lot more honest in interviews after a game then maybe there would have been less negative threads started?
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2020 20:48:23 GMT
Being a Gashead I’m obviously well versed in reading between the lines. Interesting compared to the last letter Garner isn’t named. I wonder if this is an attempt not to unintentionally give him a vote of no confidence or if Wael is uncertain about him longer term being the man to run the ‘long term project’ www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/june/letter-to-supporters-wael-al-qadi/On stadium matters it sounds as if things aren’t completely on hold, just held back a bit - wonder if we’re still proceeding on lining up architects etc and prep ready to hit go once normality starts to resume. Well we’re already 9 points off the play offs so perhaps he is unhappy with how it’s going who knows? The general feeling on here seems to be that Garner is a long term plan and he’ll be around for a long time regardless of how we’re doing but I wouldn’t bet on that.
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2020 20:50:13 GMT
If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. The football has been absolutely dire and the results have been just slightly above absolutely dire since the turn of the year. I think it’s reasonable for supporters to doubt him.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 6, 2020 21:26:27 GMT
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Post by cockergas on Nov 6, 2020 21:34:44 GMT
you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. The football has been absolutely dire and the results have been just slightly above absolutely dire since the turn of the year. I think it’s reasonable for supporters to doubt him. socrates I agree results since he first joined have been dire and I too was starting to have real reservations but the above threads have all been started in the last three weeks? The same individuals question his ability to manage, his press conferences, his lucky wins, if he were to take a sh** I expect he will be a accused of raising the wrong cheek. I miss the banter of the terraces, I had hoped to get some meaningful and constructive debate on here but it’s just seems to be the same old toxic threads.
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2020 21:42:49 GMT
The football has been absolutely dire and the results have been just slightly above absolutely dire since the turn of the year. I think it’s reasonable for supporters to doubt him. socrates I agree results since he first joined have been dire and I too was starting to have real reservations but the above threads have all been started in the last three weeks? The same individuals question his ability to manage, his press conferences, his lucky wins, if he were to take a sh** I expect he will be a accused of raising the wrong cheek. I miss the banter of the terraces, I had hoped to get some meaningful and constructive debate on here but it’s just seems to be the same old toxic threads. A lot of the threads are perhaps toxic in title but I think there’s plenty of interesting debate in all of them. There’s very few people saying nasty personal stuff about Garner , there was very few even when we were doing worse than these last couple of months. The ones that were are the kind of toxic supporters our club could do without but all clubs have them because society has them. Most think he should be given at least a bit longer and most can appreciate he’s a good coach and that we’ve brought some good players to the club, albeit that could be more down to our scout than Garner. It seems most also think that he’s very Plan A only and hasn’t yet shown an ability to make proactive changes to help us turn games in our favour and most also seem to think that he talks a load of waffle post match. All of the above seem to cover the main talking points lately which I think is fair and not particularly toxic.
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2020 21:44:35 GMT
you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. I don't think in my 20 odd years of using forums the mentality has changed a great deal. I would actually say that this platform opens up more debate and realistically analyses stuff better than other social media platforms..... OK, there's a lot of negativity, and probably too much repetition, but its nothing new.... This place was very toxic when we were in the play off places this time last year in fact probably more toxic towards management than it is now so nothing surprises me anymore.
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Post by wsmjohn on Nov 6, 2020 21:49:12 GMT
Wael has asked for nothing, loves football and thankfully he has fell in love with the trial and tribulations of our club. He had put more financial support than any Bristolian chairman. People may say the Dunfords were our saviour and I appreciate what they did but they made money. Wael has not made any money, and I can't wait to stand next to him in an away end in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 22:15:46 GMT
To put the Garner criticism on here into perspective, City fans have told me they cannot believe the support we have given him. Personally he has my backing and I want him to succeed. But when you look at his record, which is fact not opinion, at Ashton Gate they’d have been tearing the place apart to get him out. Likewise at other clubs. So I think a few threads on here is quite moderate and I’m actually quite proud of the way our fan base supports the manager overall, likewise with DC when things were going downhill
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 6, 2020 22:34:22 GMT
I don't think in my 20 odd years of using forums the mentality has changed a great deal. I would actually say that this platform opens up more debate and realistically analyses stuff better than other social media platforms..... OK, there's a lot of negativity, and probably too much repetition, but its nothing new.... This place was very toxic when we were in the play off places this time last year in fact probably more toxic towards management than it is now so nothing surprises me anymore. Quite. Some of the anti Garner stuff is passion from those of us who just want the club to do well. I was well behind GC. It wasn’t pretty but it was more attacking minded from what I recall even if it wasn’t technically good. I really don’t get the pretty football statement regards Garnerball. We’ve become far more technical as I said but it has little end result. Surely going for goal and looking like you’re going to score is worth 10x more than Dam about with the ball in front of goal. It truly is a myth that you have to be technically good to be exciting. It’s like watching England and if I’m honest, I’m not interested in that. I feel like I’ve taken quite a lot of flak tonight for suggesting there might be more to interpret than what is written in the statement. Sometimes there is far more to be said about what isn’t said rather than what is said. If WAQ is an honourable gentleman then surely that is even more so than if he came out and publicly ripped BG a new asshole Darragh MacAnthony style. All I was stating was it’s interesting that his statement before indicated Ben was a solid part of his plans. This time, I can’t be sure? Because in no part has Wael asked us to be patient with him, he’s asked us to be patient with our young players. Which I can 100% get behind. It’s like a political statement. All I want is for us to succeed. When I was a kid we went toe to toe with City, even if they were richer than us. Then it all went pear shaped and we’ve been in their shadow ever since. I remember the mockery from all the teds at school. I want us back fighting toe to toe with them before they finally make it to the Prem. If we assemble a squad full of heart and passion we could make it and have a good go, but without that we’re a decade away. This doesn’t have to compromise on Waels vision. Regardless, this isn’t a Garner thread but he’s clearly doing well enough to not get the chop. But is that good enough in the mid to long term? I don’t think so. Wael is putting his money into us and he should expect a return. I’m not sure what we’re getting is anyway near that return. I’m sure I’ll get some responses around patience and that is fair enough. Yes, we can all be patient with young players and a generally new squad. But if we don’t think the man in charge of delivery is the right man then all that falls apart at the the seams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 22:40:06 GMT
Being a Gashead I’m obviously well versed in reading between the lines. Interesting compared to the last letter Garner isn’t named. I wonder if this is an attempt not to unintentionally give him a vote of no confidence or if Wael is uncertain about him longer term being the man to run the ‘long term project’ www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/june/letter-to-supporters-wael-al-qadi/On stadium matters it sounds as if things aren’t completely on hold, just held back a bit - wonder if we’re still proceeding on lining up architects etc and prep ready to hit go once normality starts to resume. It reads to me exactly as it is: he isn’t going to insult the fans intelligence by bigging up our “progress”, just reminding us that it’s a work in progress. I respect him for that as I was kinda thinking he would be telling us how brilliant things are on the pitch when it’s very much open to debate. All in all yes, good open communication. It’s really positive to see the reputation the club seems to be getting for its community involvement during the pandemic.
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2020 22:42:06 GMT
This place was very toxic when we were in the play off places this time last year in fact probably more toxic towards management than it is now so nothing surprises me anymore. Quite. Some of the anti Garner stuff is passion from those of us who just want the club to do well. I was well behind GC. It wasn’t pretty but it was more attacking minded from what I recall even if it wasn’t technically good. I really don’t get the pretty football statement regards Garnerball. We’ve become far more technical as I said but it has little end result. Surely going for goal and looking like you’re going to score is worth 10x more than f**king about with the ball in front of goal. It truly is a myth that you have to be technically good to be exciting. It’s like watching England and if I’m honest, I’m not interested in that. I feel like I’ve taken quite a lot of flak tonight for suggesting there might be more to interpret than what is written in the statement. Sometimes there is far more to be said about what isn’t said rather than what is said. If WAQ is an honourable gentleman then surely that is even more so than if he came out and publicly ripped BG a new asshole Darragh MacAnthony style. All I was stating was it’s interesting that his statement before indicated Ben was a solid part of his plans. This time, I can’t be sure? Because in no part has Wael asked us to be patient with him, he’s asked us to be patient with our young players. Which I can 100% get behind. It’s like a political statement. All I want is for us to succeed. When I was a kid we went toe to toe with City, even if they were richer than us. Then it all went pear shaped and we’ve been in their shadow ever since. I remember the mockery from all the teds at school. I want us back fighting toe to toe with them before they finally make it to the Prem. If we assemble a squad full of heart and passion we could make it and have a good go, but without that we’re a decade away. This doesn’t have to compromise on Waels vision. Regardless, this isn’t a Garner thread but he’s clearly doing well enough to not get the chop. But is that good enough in the mid to long term? I don’t think so. Wael is putting his money into us and he should expect a return. I’m not sure what we’re getting is anyway near that return. I’m sure I’ll get some responses around patience and that is fair enough. Yes, we can all be patient with young players and a generally new squad. But if we don’t think the man in charge of delivery is the right man then all that falls apart at the the seams. Totally agree with all of that it’s exactly how I feel too. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 22:43:12 GMT
you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. Maybe if he was less sh** at managing and a lot more honest in interviews after a game then maybe there would have been less negative threads started? This is important. Okay, he’s not DC, but would someone who fronted up like DC have so many detractors? I don’t think so, if he was more honest with the fans I think there would be a lot more goodwill extended towards him. When the results are not great and you try to obfuscate your part by blaming things outside of your control then it’s going to turn people off even more. It’s simple PR and it’s something that Garner has to learn how to do better as well as adapting to management during a game
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Nov 6, 2020 22:48:34 GMT
you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. Maybe if he was less sh** at managing and a lot more honest in interviews after a game then maybe there would have been less negative threads started? Fewer 😝
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 22:49:46 GMT
socrates I agree results since he first joined have been dire and I too was starting to have real reservations but the above threads have all been started in the last three weeks? The same individuals question his ability to manage, his press conferences, his lucky wins, if he were to take a sh** I expect he will be a accused of raising the wrong cheek. I miss the banter of the terraces, I had hoped to get some meaningful and constructive debate on here but it’s just seems to be the same old toxic threads. A lot of the threads are perhaps toxic in title but I think there’s plenty of interesting debate in all of them. There’s very few people saying nasty personal stuff about Garner , there was very few even when we were doing worse than these last couple of months. The ones that were are the kind of toxic supporters our club could do without but all clubs have them because society has them. Most think he should be given at least a bit longer and most can appreciate he’s a good coach and that we’ve brought some good players to the club, albeit that could be more down to our scout than Garner. It seems most also think that he’s very Plan A only and hasn’t yet shown an ability to make proactive changes to help us turn games in our favour and most also seem to think that he talks a load of waffle post match. All of the above seem to cover the main talking points lately which I think is fair and not particularly toxic. But that’s the problem- if you make salient observation about our poor performance (subs too late, low shots on goal, low xG, needing penalties) you’re accused of just being negative. Rovers fans will be petitioning the likes of Soccerbase next to have league tables taken down because they are too negative, statisticians will be told to stop compiling them because it’s all too negative and our only means of gauging the club’s progress will be Garner’s interviews where he assures is that we are the best team in the league because we have more possession than the teams who are beating us.
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 6, 2020 23:02:20 GMT
In SOME ways I think we have a Trollope situation. Good Coach, but not a good manager. Perhaps he needs a "Lennie". But NOT a Pulis
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Post by yattongas on Nov 6, 2020 23:10:02 GMT
Did people really expect us to go from relegation form ( second half of last season) to promotion form in 10 games ? I didn’t . It’s been a steady start .... not great but not terrible. It’s been an improvement but it needs the next 10 games to be a bit better than the last 10 games . Steady progress will do me for this season. If we get under 14 points in the next 10 games then maybe it’s time to say it isn’t working .
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 6, 2020 23:28:59 GMT
you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. I don't think in my 20 odd years of using forums the mentality has changed a great deal. I would actually say that this platform opens up more debate and realistically analyses stuff better than other social media platforms..... OK, there's a lot of negativity, and probably too much repetition, but its nothing new.... No it’s nothing new gregs, and it happens on every forum in this league and others. And some of them are far more critical even abusive towards owners, managers and players than you get on here. I think it’s ok on here and rarely gets as abusive as other club's forums. Can’t speak about any Facebook sites as I don’t view them. UTG!
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