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Post by warehamgas on Nov 6, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
This place was very toxic when we were in the play off places this time last year in fact probably more toxic towards management than it is now so nothing surprises me anymore. Quite. Some of the anti Garner stuff is passion from those of us who just want the club to do well. I was well behind GC. It wasn’t pretty but it was more attacking minded from what I recall even if it wasn’t technically good. I really don’t get the pretty football statement regards Garnerball. We’ve become far more technical as I said but it has little end result. Surely going for goal and looking like you’re going to score is worth 10x more than f**king about with the ball in front of goal. It truly is a myth that you have to be technically good to be exciting. It’s like watching England and if I’m honest, I’m not interested in that. I feel like I’ve taken quite a lot of flak tonight for suggesting there might be more to interpret than what is written in the statement. Sometimes there is far more to be said about what isn’t said rather than what is said. If WAQ is an honourable gentleman then surely that is even more so than if he came out and publicly ripped BG a new asshole Darragh MacAnthony style. All I was stating was it’s interesting that his statement before indicated Ben was a solid part of his plans. This time, I can’t be sure? Because in no part has Wael asked us to be patient with him, he’s asked us to be patient with our young players. Which I can 100% get behind. It’s like a political statement. All I want is for us to succeed. When I was a kid we went toe to toe with City, even if they were richer than us. Then it all went pear shaped and we’ve been in their shadow ever since. I remember the mockery from all the teds at school. I want us back fighting toe to toe with them before they finally make it to the Prem. If we assemble a squad full of heart and passion we could make it and have a good go, but without that we’re a decade away. This doesn’t have to compromise on Waels vision. Regardless, this isn’t a Garner thread but he’s clearly doing well enough to not get the chop. But is that good enough in the mid to long term? I don’t think so. Wael is putting his money into us and he should expect a return. I’m not sure what we’re getting is anyway near that return. I’m sure I’ll get some responses around patience and that is fair enough. Yes, we can all be patient with young players and a generally new squad. But if we don’t think the man in charge of delivery is the right man then all that falls apart at the the seams. That’s a pretty fair summary of stuff imo. This is football and there will always be negative stuff because it’s a game of opinions when you win, lose or draw. Everyone thinks that something could have been done to turn a loss into a draw and a draw into a win and it’s the manager who will carry the responsibility to do that and will get the majority of the criticism that comes out of that. Fans question what those in “authority” do and that won’t change. I was critical last week when I thought that Rochdale was an opportunity missed. BG is manager and he will get criticised for what he does, what he says and how he does it, and if he doesn’t like that he shouldn’t be in football in the first place. So I have no problem with critical threads or criticism being aimed at the manager. I hope it’s reasoned, thought out and constructive. But where that criticism becomes abusive and vindictive and personal I do disagree and I will call it out. Everyone has the right to question and criticise but where it gets extreme and personal then that crosses a line for me. Others may disagree, no problem. That rarely happens on here or on the other place and both forums are pretty good and most of the views are stated in a way that makes for good reading. Last week I thought some of the stuff said about a manager, GC, who effectively saved us twice from relegation got personal and crossed the line and I called it out. That rarely happens, it did and I disagreed. This thread for example has a range of views but they’ve all been good to read and have been constructive and fair. And as to Wael’s letter, as others have said, communication has gone up a level or two! It gave a lot of info and similar to his last one gave indications as to the plan forward and his broad intentions. Lots of questions come out of it obviously and that’s ok. I’m sure others will correct me but I’m not sure I’ve seen more detailed intentions setting out the short and medium term plans from any chairman in the past. I like a man with a plan and he appears to be surrounding himself with good people to achieve it. (Especially at a time of such financial uncertainty) I also think that along with many other lower league clubs it was Wael’s way of saying to the PL, EFL and FA “come on, pull your fingers out we need some financial help asap.” But well done Wael, I feel a lot happier and feel more secure for our future with him than I would if he was not there in the current circumstances. Credit where credit is due.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 7, 2020 2:44:44 GMT
If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. It's a complete joke to forget the half of season matches BG has already managed and fairly judged on from real supporters that support...
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Post by cockergas on Nov 7, 2020 8:36:32 GMT
We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. It's a complete joke to forget the half of season matches BG has already managed and fairly judged on from real supporters that support... who asking you to forget it o2? I’m just saying do we really have to keep regurgitating it every time we have a set back? 10 games in and there are probably twice as many anti Ben threads, all mostly saying the same thing, than there are actual match day threads. We know the 2nd half of last season was pants, Ben is very lucky to be in a job, but he is still in the Job and Wael clearly sees him as part of his long term vision, at the moment anyway.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 7, 2020 8:59:49 GMT
What started as a positive thread about Waels's letter to us quickly descends in to yet another Garner bashing thread.
I honestly cannot be arsed with all the negativity on here anymore.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2020 10:12:37 GMT
Being a Gashead I’m obviously well versed in reading between the lines. Interesting compared to the last letter Garner isn’t named. I wonder if this is an attempt not to unintentionally give him a vote of no confidence or if Wael is uncertain about him longer term being the man to run the ‘long term project’ www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/june/letter-to-supporters-wael-al-qadi/On stadium matters it sounds as if things aren’t completely on hold, just held back a bit - wonder if we’re still proceeding on lining up architects etc and prep ready to hit go once normality starts to resume. It reads to me exactly as it is: he isn’t going to insult the fans intelligence by bigging up our “progress”, just reminding us that it’s a work in progress. I respect him for that as I was kinda thinking he would be telling us how brilliant things are on the pitch when it’s very much open to debate. All in all yes, good open communication. It’s really positive to see the reputation the club seems to be getting for its community involvement during the pandemic. I think that by the sounds of it there is 100% something in the pipeline( proberly the Fruit market) but C19 has brought a pause to this right now.With the paying off debts,plus training ground and investment in team I think there will be news once we are back to "normal" in 2078.
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Post by aforce on Nov 7, 2020 10:32:07 GMT
So apparently the pandemic has halted our stadium progress??? Gotta laugh there has been zero progress since the bloke walked through the door 🚪 How do you know? Well where is the progress then?
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Post by barumgas on Nov 7, 2020 10:38:28 GMT
If you spend that much (and more), you should be entitled to express your view, whatever you think... you don’t have to spend anything to be entitled to a view, just some of the constant Ben bashing is getting tedious. Here are a few over the last few weeks. Shots on Target Possession football doesn’t win matches Does anyone still have faith in Ben So painful to watch Jury still out Next 5 games What planet is BG on Should BG be sacked Ogogo Where will we be How long do we give Ben Garner Next manager Bens press conference Garnerball Time to let Wael know Any chance we can leave BG in Doncaster Do you believe in a thing called Ben Garner We are only 10 games into the season, and this is from so called supporters, it’s a complete joke. A very clever post. Instead of discussing the contents of the open letter, you have managed to create another thread on Garner. Meanwhile back on topic. Well done Wael for your transparency about what is going on behind the scenes
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Post by slimbridgegas on Nov 7, 2020 10:44:49 GMT
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Nov 7, 2020 11:18:32 GMT
What started as a positive thread about Waels's letter to us quickly descends in to yet another Garner bashing thread. I honestly cannot be arsed with all the negativity on here anymore. Dont let them get you down, there's a really simple answer, you can usually see where its going in the first two sentences, if it looks negative scroll up
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 7, 2020 13:52:28 GMT
He missed the bit out about getting the supporters club to pay for a training ground for the development side...😉😉
You have to hand it to him, now the shackles are off, he’s really doing what he said he was going to do.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 7, 2020 14:10:13 GMT
He missed the bit out about getting the supporters club to pay for a training ground for the development side...😉😉 You have to hand it to him, now the shackles are off, he’s really doing what he said he was going to do. We are in safe hands
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Post by Squiffy on Nov 7, 2020 14:20:26 GMT
It reads to me exactly as it is: he isn’t going to insult the fans intelligence by bigging up our “progress”, just reminding us that it’s a work in progress. I respect him for that as I was kinda thinking he would be telling us how brilliant things are on the pitch when it’s very much open to debate. All in all yes, good open communication. It’s really positive to see the reputation the club seems to be getting for its community involvement during the pandemic. I think that by the sounds of it there is 100% something in the pipeline( proberly the Fruit market) but C19 has brought a pause to this right now.With the paying off debts,plus training ground and investment in team I think there will be news once we are back to "normal" in 2078. Unless near-Earth asteroid 99942 Apophis does hit on 13th April 2029. 😉
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 7, 2020 14:40:38 GMT
Whether you enjoy the football or not, Wael needs a round of applause for how he has led the club since taking control.👏
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Post by playtowin on Nov 7, 2020 14:48:25 GMT
Just a simple comment from me . Thank you Wael .
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Post by mrwarboys on Nov 7, 2020 16:12:40 GMT
Is Wael now one of our own?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2020 8:08:22 GMT
Well where is the progress then? There may well be progress behind the scenes. We (the great unwashed, and I include myself within this) just don't know either way, because the folk whom do know are limited to a very small minority and are trusted to keep stuum. Until it's the right time to be revealed... 😉
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2020 8:12:14 GMT
It's a complete joke to forget the half of season matches BG has already managed and fairly judged on from real supporters that support... who asking you to forget it o2? I’m just saying do we really have to keep regurgitating it every time we have a set back? 10 games in and there are probably twice as many anti Ben threads, all mostly saying the same thing, than there are actual match day threads. We know the 2nd half of last season was pants, Ben is very lucky to be in a job, but he is still in the Job and Wael clearly sees him as part of his long term vision, at the moment anyway. That's a fair post. I take your point on the regurgitation on set backs, that's definitely true. From my pov, the regurgitation is sometimes relevant. Not all the time, but sometimes it is valid to point out what appears to be the same mistakes being made, and if that leads us to relegation, is that acceptable?
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Nov 8, 2020 8:22:06 GMT
who asking you to forget it o2? I’m just saying do we really have to keep regurgitating it every time we have a set back? 10 games in and there are probably twice as many anti Ben threads, all mostly saying the same thing, than there are actual match day threads. We know the 2nd half of last season was pants, Ben is very lucky to be in a job, but he is still in the Job and Wael clearly sees him as part of his long term vision, at the moment anyway. That's a fair post. I take your point on the regurgitation on set backs, that's definitely true. From my pov, the regurgitation is sometimes relevant. Not all the time, but sometimes it is valid to point out what appears to be the same mistakes being made, and if that leads us to relegation, is that acceptable? It wouldn't surprise me if there were Ted's in here stirring the pot and issuing a little ear poison here and there.
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Post by xenongas on Nov 8, 2020 10:32:07 GMT
Came for the good communication from Wael. Well done mate, keep it coming.
Left because of the predictable and unnecessary BG tangent. Sigh.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 8, 2020 12:15:33 GMT
Perhaps those who would rather discuss the content of the letter which doesn’t relate to playing matters (which, is a pretty damn big component of club matters even if not discussed to that proportion) could contribute some discussion on those matters? Having discussed BG doesn’t exclude us from being able to discuss them.
I’d wager that the conversation wouldn’t extend much beyond congratulating Wael for the great progress and for a great communication piece.
The conversation regards stadium matters would be a big option but again, that’s been fairly mute itself?
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