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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 14, 2020 17:16:29 GMT
Sadly if it needed confirming this has to be the day everyone on this forum agrees Garner OUT, dissenters please explain your reasoning No |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
For me, i never saw a win today with jvs in goal. Van flapperoof.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2020 17:17:11 GMT
4 very very soft goals to concede, maybe that’s being a bit harsh on Camp’s second as it was a lovely finish but still too much time and space in the box to make it. The same old mistakes occurring, not defending set pieces well enough, sitting too deep and passing the ball sideways instead of forwards. What also is worrying me is the lack of goals in the side, we haven’t scored more than 2 in a game all season and rarely have we scored more than one. Nicholson needs to start every game, made a difference when he came on. Daly will also score more than having someone like McCormick on the pitch. Nicholson was at fault for Camps second goal as he gave him the time to pick his shot? |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 14, 2020 17:17:13 GMT
F*ck me that was dreadful.
I've stuck up for BG and said he needed time, but getting absolutely d*cked 4-1 by Fleetwood at home is inexcusable.
Since he became manager on 23rd December. BG's record in the league is played 30, Won 5, Drawn 10, Lost 15, a win % of just 17.24%. With no sign of any improvement whatsoever.
You cannot defend the indefensible anymore.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Nov 14, 2020 17:17:14 GMT
I've wanted him to do what we've all wanted him to do, hes failing game by game yet having one of the strongest squads I've ever seen play for Rovers. His numbers up No more chances from me, hes shown his weaknesses with very few strengths, time to go It’s not a strong squad because we have no leadership no fight and only two fit strikers. I went all last season defending him, and, up to now, all of this season. So fine we have two fit strikers, that doesn't explain the shocking defensive display. My patience has run out I'm afraid, if we had played ok and lost 2-0 i could have taken that, but this shocking bag of SH1TE that was played today, I'm done with |
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Post by axegas on Nov 14, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
4 very very soft goals to concede, maybe that’s being a bit harsh on Camp’s second as it was a lovely finish but still too much time and space in the box to make it. The same old mistakes occurring, not defending set pieces well enough, sitting too deep and passing the ball sideways instead of forwards. What also is worrying me is the lack of goals in the side, we haven’t scored more than 2 in a game all season and rarely have we scored more than one. Nicholson needs to start every game, made a difference when he came on. Daly will also score more than having someone like McCormick on the pitch. Nicholson was at fault for Camps second goal as he gave him the time to pick his shot? He’s being played out of position, he’s not a wingback and never has been. Quality going forwards though. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2020 17:19:37 GMT
Not defending the performance or BG and team, but Fleetwood will be top 6 pushing up! come the end of season, so many players that are goal threats. One win and four defeats in their previous five games suggests they usually struggle away from home? Plus Evans didn't start. As far as goal threats only Madden and Camps were a danger today. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 14, 2020 17:19:43 GMT
Garner have been given a good budget but created the most unbalanced squad ever . It means we have too many defenders / midfielders and no strikers to call upon. We have a situation were we have 4 left backs and leahy Kelly isn't really wanted . Why do we need Barrett liddle Hargreaves upson if we have 6 other midfielders ?? .
He's left us with two fit strikers until the window . What happens if one of them gets injured ?. He's blown good money on similar playing positions and we are in a situation were attacking options are non existent and some defenders / midfielders might not ever get a game . It's like recruiting 10 labourers and one bricklayer..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 17:22:01 GMT
so you would criticise if we win next week ? No, but as soon as we win a game, even if it’s against opposition we need to beat to stay in the league, the vast majority forget these terrible performances and his general record and declare him as the messiah. Everyone is guilty of that though, people are criticising players now who were the roast of the town when we beat Northampton and drew with Burton. If we beat Swindon and Wigan the same people criticising today will be re-assessing their opinions and deciding that we should give him to the end of the season. It flip flops on a game by game basis. In short, never more has the maxim “you are only as good as your last game” been so appropriate. |
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Post by dmacca65 on Nov 14, 2020 17:22:39 GMT
Good old Crewe & MKD's who have done the unthinkable and beat the big team!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 17:23:11 GMT
so you would criticise if we win next week ? No, but as soon as we win a game, even if it’s against opposition we need to beat to stay in the league, the vast majority forget these terrible performances and his general record and declare him as the messiah. I don’t recall anyone suggesting he was the messiah. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 14, 2020 17:23:17 GMT
No, but as soon as we win a game, even if it’s against opposition we need to beat to stay in the league, the vast majority forget these terrible performances and his general record and declare him as the messiah. Everyone is guilty of that though, people are criticising players now who were the roast of the town when we beat Northampton and drew with Burton. If we beat Swindon and Wigan the same people criticising today will be re-assessing their opinions and deciding that we should give him to the end of the season. It flip flops on a game by game basis. In short, never more has the maxim “you are only as good as your last game” been so appropriate. |
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Post by miltongas on Nov 14, 2020 17:25:31 GMT
Not disagreeing but felt it was a soft one though. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 14, 2020 17:25:33 GMT
No, but as soon as we win a game, even if it’s against opposition we need to beat to stay in the league, the vast majority forget these terrible performances and his general record and declare him as the messiah. Everyone is guilty of that though, people are criticising players now who were the roast of the town when we beat Northampton and drew with Burton. If we beat Swindon and Wigan the same people criticising today will be re-assessing their opinions and deciding that we should give him to the end of the season. It flip flops on a game by game basis. In short, never more has the maxim “you are only as good as your last game” been so appropriate. Problem is people have been assessing a handful of games and judging that the guy has somehow turned it round when all it ever was, was a blip. I don’t mind giving him a few extra games off the back of a blip (which is why as of today I’m not quite Garner out at this point) but please let’s not forget days like today as if we do well be disappointed come the end of the season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2020 17:26:14 GMT
To be fair to BG it's not his fault Ayunga's injured and I assume JML is the fourth striker?
We seem to have enough players just that they are either not good enough or being poorly managed.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 14, 2020 17:27:54 GMT
Everyone is guilty of that though, people are criticising players now who were the roast of the town when we beat Northampton and drew with Burton. If we beat Swindon and Wigan the same people criticising today will be re-assessing their opinions and deciding that we should give him to the end of the season. It flip flops on a game by game basis. In short, never more has the maxim “you are only as good as your last game” been so appropriate.[/quote Good point but it's a massive risk having an anti striker playing squad. Most clubs have 6 strikers with 2_3 experience . We have 3 strikers with Hanlon being the mature figure . He was 4th in line with the gills . Garner have been given a big budget but blown all the cash needlessly in the same areas . This was bound to happen having such an unbalanced squad.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 17:28:06 GMT
Not defending the performance or BG and team, but Fleetwood will be top 6 pushing up! come the end of season, so many players that are goal threats. I know what you're saying I think. If it was Ipswich or Sunderland people are more accepting of it because it is a big club. Fleetwood are a small club but they invest a lot of money, however still seen as little Fleetwood not ex Premier league Ipswich, Sunderland etc. sh** defending is shot defending no matter who the opposition are. At least make them work for it. We’ve given so many soft goals away against hull and Fleetwood there position in the table is no excuse. It’s just about having standards but ours have been lowered to absolute rock bottom since Coughlan left. As a fanbase we live in fear of sides that Coughlan’s team would have kicked up the arse. It’s sad how far we’ve fallen in every conceivable metric (apart from useless passes) since he left. |
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 14, 2020 17:28:22 GMT
Thought we did well for the first 15/20 min of second half, scored a good goal. After that it looked like schoolboys v men again. Really still have no idea what style we play, other than to say it isn’t effective, isn’t pretty & it’s boring IMO.
Should Garner go? IMO Yes, He is a very lucky boy there is no crowd at the stadium he would be getting a real barracking. However he won’t be sacked as Wael has enough on his plate keeping the club going - although relegation could cause more financial hardship than sacking the manager.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 14, 2020 17:29:19 GMT
To be fair to BG it's not his fault Ayunga's injured and I assume JML is the fourth striker? We seem to have enough players just that they are either not good enough or being poorly managed. Well yes it is. We signed 14 players and only two were out and out strikers. We moved more on than we bought in. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 14, 2020 17:30:54 GMT
Much better 2nd half although to be fair the bar had been set pretty low in the first half. Much more threatening and Nicholson coming on made a huge difference. The third goal killed us and although it was a good finish, they've got out of the corner far too easily and how did we allow him to wander into acres of space in our box.
Predictable BG meltdown in full flow but I genuinely don't see Wael sacking him now. So if he's to stay where do we go from here ? Personally I want my defenders to defend so as a start point let's concentrate on that rather than their ability to be 'ball players'. We cant keep giving away cheap goals and expecting to win games particularly given our struggles up top. The absence of another striker was a massive problem even prior to Ayunga's injury, McCormick obviously has ability but did we really need him, to me his role is basically the same as Hargreaves, we could have swapped his loan for another striker and not been any worse off in midfield.
Lots for BG to look at, I'm not sure if his post match is out yet but i hope he acknowledges our shortcomings today and doesnt try to hide behind any perceived refereeing decisions, even if the pen was soft it made no difference to the result.
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