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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 21, 2020 20:33:04 GMT
Firstly, I didn’t see today’s game so can’t & won’t comment on the performance - although it sounds abysmal.
Secondly, it goes without saying that it’s way, way too early to be judging Tisdale & how his 2.5 years (hopefully...) here will go.
BUT, I can’t disagree with anyone on here who’s been critical of the starting XI & in-game subs. I’m fairly sure that everyone on this forum would have brought Oztumer off the bench today when we were chasing the game - so to not do that & bring on a CB instead is a bizarre decision to say the least.
And if he didn’t know before today, I’m sure Tis now realises what a mammoth job he has on his hands to keep us in L1 this season. On paper it looked like the most inexperienced, goal-shy & physically-weak squad we’ve put together in my 27 years as a Gashead, and all those things are, unsurprisingly, really hurting us.
The balance in this squad is appalling & if Tisdale isn’t backed in January I really do fear for us this season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 21, 2020 20:33:30 GMT
Really. Well I would love to know who’s bright idea it was to start Upson over Westbrooke. I would also like to know who’s bright idea it was to play Tutonda over Koiki. I would also like to know why he pushed Harries into no mans land for most of the second half. I would also like to know who’s game plan it was that after 80 mins and being 1-0 we bring on 2 defenders to see out the 1-0 loss instead of throwing the kitchen sink at a really really crap Swindon side. This was the kind of nonsense I was expecting from Tisdale of the back of watching him around our leagues for 15 odd years and also from the comments of MK Dons fans. I really hope that he gorges himself on videos of the squad and the last 10 games and gets them on the training pitch ASAP to work out his best starting 11, formation and game plan or we are getting relegated. That is not panicking or being dramatic that is the absolute reality. Does anyone else think Koiki is better than Tutonda ? shocked by this one. I don't think we've seen enough of them to judge tbh. Tutonda looks amazing in spells but makes a lot of mistakes too. Koiki I haven't seen enough of yet. |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 21, 2020 20:34:42 GMT
Do the coaching staff know what they r doing picking that side with no Oztumer What's impressed you about him in the 2 games he has started and his 2 sub appearances - I didn't see anything to excite me. It was 5 seasons' ago when he sparkled in L1 for Walsall - is he the player you thought he was now ? |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 21, 2020 20:36:52 GMT
Does anyone else think Koiki is better than Tutonda ? shocked by this one. I don't think we've seen enough of them to judge tbh. Tutonda looks amazing in spells but makes a lot of mistakes too. Koiki I haven't seen enough of yet. don't think Tutonda makes more mistakes than anyone else. I only saw Tutonda make one mistake today of any note. |
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Post by cockergas on Nov 21, 2020 20:37:20 GMT
sorry to say it but Tisdale set up negatively today - with one eye on a 0 -0 . Biggest evidence of that came at HT when Harries was moved forward !!?? He could've given that role to a midfielder - Upson and then put on Westbrooke or Otzumer to give us more forward impetus. Sometimes you get bitten on the bum for not giving it a go and that's what happened. Westbrooke was brought on pretty late. agree, totally baffled by the starting 11 and the subs. Surely we had scouted Swindon and have seen how vulnerable they have been at the back, why set up with 2 very defensive midfielders. Should have got at them from the start and really put them under pressure. Left bringing on Westbrooke too late and then changed shape again on 87 minutes by bringing on 2 defenders when we are chasing the game. Baffled. |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 21, 2020 20:38:02 GMT
Look on the bright side at least PT has not lost the dressing room as he never had them. Totally disjointed performance and defeats looming at Wigan and Darlington-whose next inline for the merry go round. Are you Gas365s brother or cousin pal ? |
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Post by rovers69 on Nov 21, 2020 20:39:28 GMT
just being realistic-we are down
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 20:45:58 GMT
Look on the bright side at least PT has not lost the dressing room as he never had them. Totally disjointed performance and defeats looming at Wigan and Darlington-whose next inline for the merry go round. Are you Gas365s brother or cousin pal ? That’s it Mark, stay classy |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 21, 2020 20:49:28 GMT
I don't think we've seen enough of them to judge tbh. Tutonda looks amazing in spells but makes a lot of mistakes too. Koiki I haven't seen enough of yet. don't think Tutonda makes more mistakes than anyone else. I only saw Tutonda make one mistake today of any note. I would just call him a bit green/raw. He has great potential but does make a lot of mistakes too. I like him just saying it as I see it. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2020 20:53:23 GMT
I don't think we've seen enough of them to judge tbh. Tutonda looks amazing in spells but makes a lot of mistakes too. Koiki I haven't seen enough of yet. don't think Tutonda makes more mistakes than anyone else. I only saw Tutonda make one mistake today of any note. He looked dodgey defensively but they all did. Looking at the stats on n today’s game he played more accurate passes than any other Rovers player with 34. I thought he looked alright going forward but I’d only give him a 5 out of ten. Nicholson a 7 Hanlan a 6 and the rest all ones and twos. Terrible performance by the team as a whole. When you play three midfielders you need balance between those three. Garner didn’t Really get that and whoever picked the side today didn’t get that even more so. |
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Post by yaz on Nov 21, 2020 21:05:56 GMT
Thanks to his predecessor he has f**k all available on the bench anyway. No. Tisdale has to own this defeat. He cannot blame BG and neither should you. The players are capable but their confidence looks shot. The manager can address that...not in weeks but in DAYS. If he cannot do it, look forward to another defeat on Tuesday. Little should be playing. he adds strength to the defence. Stands out a mile from the lot we have in defence? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 21, 2020 21:05:59 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 21, 2020 21:13:17 GMT
Really. Well I would love to know who’s bright idea it was to start Upson over Westbrooke. I would also like to know who’s bright idea it was to play Tutonda over Koiki. I would also like to know why he pushed Harries into no mans land for most of the second half. I would also like to know who’s game plan it was that after 80 mins and being 1-0 we bring on 2 defenders to see out the 1-0 loss instead of throwing the kitchen sink at a really really crap Swindon side. This was the kind of nonsense I was expecting from Tisdale of the back of watching him around our leagues for 15 odd years and also from the comments of MK Dons fans. I really hope that he gorges himself on videos of the squad and the last 10 games and gets them on the training pitch ASAP to work out his best starting 11, formation and game plan or we are getting relegated. That is not panicking or being dramatic that is the absolute reality. Completely agree regarding Westbrooke, Koiki & Harries but I do have some sympathy with the last 2 subs. He obviously wanted the wing backs higher up the pitch similar too how we set up on Weds and in fairness both if them got into good positions in those last few minutes. My main criticism would be with both Upson & Grant in the side why weren't the wing backs that high up from the start. Swindon have conceded goals for fun and we set up with effectively a back 5 and 2 holding midfielders, I'm baffled by that. Ok, so why not do that at HT because we were utter toilet for the first 45 and why wait until you are 1-0 with 3 mins to go to do it. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 21, 2020 21:15:42 GMT
Do the coaching staff know what they r doing picking that side with no Oztumer What's impressed you about him in the 2 games he has started and his 2 sub appearances - I didn't see anything to excite me. It was 5 seasons' ago when he sparkled in L1 for Walsall - is he the player you thought he was now ? Hard for him to get into the games under Garner when it was being knocked across the back 5 in our own half and then hoiked long over his head. How about we set up properly with him in behind 2 actual front men and then judge him. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
Thanks. Didn’t like the would have taken a draw because of the kind of game it was comment to be honest. Surely due to the kind of game it was some changes earlier on was what was needed to get further up the pitch and support the hardworking and isolated front two ? The rest of his interview made sense though. And it least his hands were in his pockets. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 21, 2020 21:26:57 GMT
Gaschat can this evening confirm that it has parted company with yattongas The forum would like to thank him for all his hard work and wish him the very best of luck for the future. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 21, 2020 21:42:34 GMT
No. Tisdale has to own this defeat. He cannot blame BG and neither should you. The players are capable but their confidence looks shot. The manager can address that...not in weeks but in DAYS. If he cannot do it, look forward to another defeat on Tuesday. Little should be playing. he adds strength to the defence. Stands out a mile from the lot we have in defence? Litts is broken again isn’t he? |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
Firstly, I didn’t see today’s game so can’t & won’t comment on the performance - although it sounds abysmal. Secondly, it goes without saying that it’s way, way too early to be judging Tisdale & how his 2.5 years (hopefully...) here will go. BUT, I can’t disagree with anyone on here who’s been critical of the starting XI & in-game subs. I’m fairly sure that everyone on this forum would have brought Oztumer off the bench today when we were chasing the game - so to not do that & bring on a CB instead is a bizarre decision to say the least. And if he didn’t know before today, I’m sure Tis now realises what a mammoth job he has on his hands to keep us in L1 this season. On paper it looked like the most inexperienced, goal-shy & physically-weak squad we’ve put together in my 27 years as a Gashead, and all those things are, unsurprisingly, really hurting us. The balance in this squad is appalling & if Tisdale isn’t backed in January I really do fear for us this season. Such a depressing post, this was supposed to be a play off fighting season - but sadly I'm starting to think you're right. I do believe our squad is good, but like you say - incredibly unbalanced. If someone can get them playing together, I think with an addition here and there we could be really good, I just hope that man is PT. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 21, 2020 21:48:07 GMT
No. Tisdale has to own this defeat. He cannot blame BG and neither should you. The players are capable but their confidence looks shot. The manager can address that...not in weeks but in DAYS. If he cannot do it, look forward to another defeat on Tuesday. Little should be playing. he adds strength to the defence. Stands out a mile from the lot we have in defence? Completely forgot about Little. I like Hare, but 3 at the back just isn't working. I'd go back to a typical 4-4-2 and get back to basics with this squad with Little at RB. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 21, 2020 21:56:12 GMT
Completely agree regarding Westbrooke, Koiki & Harries but I do have some sympathy with the last 2 subs. He obviously wanted the wing backs higher up the pitch similar too how we set up on Weds and in fairness both if them got into good positions in those last few minutes. My main criticism would be with both Upson & Grant in the side why weren't the wing backs that high up from the start. Swindon have conceded goals for fun and we set up with effectively a back 5 and 2 holding midfielders, I'm baffled by that. Ok, so why not do that at HT because we were utter toilet for the first 45 and why wait until you are 1-0 with 3 mins to go to do it. I dont disagree that the timing was wrong, he's being hammered for bringing on 2 defenders when chasing the game when in reality the mistake was not the changes themselves but not too have done it earlier. I'd personally have changed things at HT, Harries in midfield made absolutely no sense at all. It was obvious Hanlan needed support to why not go 4231, if he wanted his 2 holding midfielders fine take off a centre back & McCormick bring on two of Hargreaves, Westbrooke & Oztuhmer. He could even have kept the same shape and just pushed the wing backs on, exactly as we did with 2 mins to go !! |
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