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Post by stuart1974 on May 17, 2021 22:11:26 GMT
Tuesday's FT carrying an article of a Government split over tariff free access on an Australian trade deal.
Liz Truss wants zero tariffs to conclude a deal while George Eustice and Michael Gove are concerned about lamb and beef imports undermining farmers.
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 6:56:43 GMT
Tuesday's FT carrying an article of a Government split over tariff free access on an Australian trade deal. Liz Truss wants zero tariffs to conclude a deal while George Eustice and Michael Gove are concerned about lamb and beef imports undermining farmers. It was easy signing roll on deals the same as the EU’s . It’s a bit more difficult when you have to trade one thing off against another . We should have at least signed a few ‘better’ deals by now than we had whilst part of the EU . After all, that was the whole point wasn’t it? We were told is was gonna be easy ! 😂 |
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 7:04:03 GMT
Tuesday's FT carrying an article of a Government split over tariff free access on an Australian trade deal. Liz Truss wants zero tariffs to conclude a deal while George Eustice and Michael Gove are concerned about lamb and beef imports undermining farmers. It was easy signing roll on deals the same as the EU’s . It’s a bit more difficult when you have to trade one thing off against another . We should have at least signed a few ‘better’ deals by now than we had whilst part of the EU . After all, that was the whole point wasn’t it? We were told is was gonna be easy ! 😂 This is fascinating,why would British farmers be concerned only if their cost of production is greater than Australian farmers,if you add in transportation costs from the other side of the world how can their beef or lamb be cheaper. Only if there are illegal subsidies,no level playing field on animal welfare (all covered by the trade agreement )then our farmers have an issue with efficiency. |
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 7:07:11 GMT
It was easy signing roll on deals the same as the EU’s . It’s a bit more difficult when you have to trade one thing off against another . We should have at least signed a few ‘better’ deals by now than we had whilst part of the EU . After all, that was the whole point wasn’t it? We were told is was gonna be easy ! 😂 This is fascinating,why would British farmers be concerned only if their cost of production is greater than Australian farmers,if you add in transportation costs from the other side of the world how can their beef or lamb be cheaper. Only if there are illegal subsidies,no level playing field on animal welfare (all covered by the trade agreement )then our farmers have an issue with efficiency. I’m no expert ( at anything!) but maybe it’s down to mass production? No idea but I’m sure our farmers reasons are valid . Shame though , most of them seemed to vote for Brexit. 🙄 |
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Post by peterparker on May 18, 2021 7:23:02 GMT
That would be the unforesseable cirumcumstances that were um..... entirely foreseeable
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 7:28:13 GMT
This is fascinating,why would British farmers be concerned only if their cost of production is greater than Australian farmers,if you add in transportation costs from the other side of the world how can their beef or lamb be cheaper. Only if there are illegal subsidies,no level playing field on animal welfare (all covered by the trade agreement )then our farmers have an issue with efficiency. I’m no expert ( at anything!) but maybe it’s down to mass production? No idea but I’m sure our farmers reasons are valid . Shame though , most of them seemed to vote for Brexit. 🙄 I lived next door to a Hill farmer in Scotland he was forever telling me he earned more money by just staying in bed from EU subsidies than he ever did sheep farming which promotes inefficiency. |
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 8:06:41 GMT
I’m no expert ( at anything!) but maybe it’s down to mass production? No idea but I’m sure our farmers reasons are valid . Shame though , most of them seemed to vote for Brexit. 🙄 I lived next door to a Hill farmer in Scotland he was forever telling me he earned more money by just staying in bed from EU subsidies than he ever did sheep farming which promotes inefficiency. There in lies it’s own story . Farming is chuffced . Winning 🇬🇧 |
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2021 8:18:24 GMT
It was easy signing roll on deals the same as the EU’s . It’s a bit more difficult when you have to trade one thing off against another . We should have at least signed a few ‘better’ deals by now than we had whilst part of the EU . After all, that was the whole point wasn’t it? We were told is was gonna be easy ! 😂 This is fascinating,why would British farmers be concerned only if their cost of production is greater than Australian farmers,if you add in transportation costs from the other side of the world how can their beef or lamb be cheaper. Only if there are illegal subsidies,no level playing field on animal welfare (all covered by the trade agreement )then our farmers have an issue with efficiency. I think a lot of it is down differing standards of husbandary. I am led to believe, for example, that growth hormone therapy is a widespread practice in Australia, as is chlorinating chicken. These practices are banned here. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 8:19:06 GMT
I lived next door to a Hill farmer in Scotland he was forever telling me he earned more money by just staying in bed from EU subsidies than he ever did sheep farming which promotes inefficiency. There in lies it’s own story . Farming is chuffced . Winning 🇬🇧 😆😆 |
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 8:20:53 GMT
This is fascinating,why would British farmers be concerned only if their cost of production is greater than Australian farmers,if you add in transportation costs from the other side of the world how can their beef or lamb be cheaper. Only if there are illegal subsidies,no level playing field on animal welfare (all covered by the trade agreement )then our farmers have an issue with efficiency. I think a lot of it is down differing standards of husbandary. I am led to believe, for example, that growth hormone therapy is a widespread practice in Australia, as is chlorinating chicken. These practices are banned here. Let's hope there is clear labelling!! |
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2021 8:58:42 GMT
I think a lot of it is down differing standards of husbandary. I am led to believe, for example, that growth hormone therapy is a widespread practice in Australia, as is chlorinating chicken. These practices are banned here. Let's hope there is clear labelling!! Indeed. But on a serious note I can see the farming communities point on this. The promise throughout (Brexit) was that we would not lower our standards. Now, the first real "biggy" on the table and the debate is just that. |
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 9:42:25 GMT
Let's hope there is clear labelling!! Indeed. But on a serious note I can see the farming communities point on this. The promise throughout (Brexit) was that we would not lower our standards. Now, the first real "biggy" on the table and the debate is just that. It’s almost as if those that sold the idea were.... lying 🤥🤔. Why didn’t anyone try and point this out ? |
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 10:18:39 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 12:57:15 GMT
Let's hope there is clear labelling!! Indeed. But on a serious note I can see the farming communities point on this. The promise throughout (Brexit) was that we would not lower our standards. Now, the first real "biggy" on the table and the debate is just that. I agree,isn't there a proposed Bill in the Queens Speech to enshrine our current standards in law?. Not sure how that plays out in any trade negotiation. |
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2021 13:36:29 GMT
I read that. There is going to have to be an awful lot of borrowing to counter that potential outcome...did anyone mention John Maynard Keynes? Thatcher will be turning in her grave |
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Post by oldie on May 18, 2021 13:37:19 GMT
Indeed. But on a serious note I can see the farming communities point on this. The promise throughout (Brexit) was that we would not lower our standards. Now, the first real "biggy" on the table and the debate is just that. I agree,isn't there a proposed Bill in the Queens Speech to enshrine our current standards in law?. Not sure how that plays out in any trade negotiation. Allegedly Hence the huge row going on, apparently, in Cabinet |
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Post by trevorgas on May 18, 2021 13:59:11 GMT
I agree,isn't there a proposed Bill in the Queens Speech to enshrine our current standards in law?. Not sure how that plays out in any trade negotiation. Allegedly Hence the huge row going on, apparently, in Cabinet I still think it's bizarre that beef & lamb can be produced and transported from across the other side of the World and it can be cheaper than here, assuming that's the premise. |
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Post by peterparker on May 18, 2021 14:41:28 GMT
Allegedly Hence the huge row going on, apparently, in Cabinet I still think it's bizarre that beef & lamb can be produced and transported from across the other side of the World and it can be cheaper than here, assuming that's the premise. this is from 2017. not a lot of detail but British lamb now CHEAPER than New Zealand versions for first time in six years BRITISH lamb is now cheaper than New Zealand versions for the first time in six years. PUBLISHED: 17:20, Tue, Nov 21, 2017 | UPDATED: 17:35, Tue, Nov 21, 2017 New Zealand lamb has traditionally been cheaper than the British variety The price difference is set to give a massive shot in the arm for the UK's food industry.
Despite coming from the other side of the world, New Zealand lamb has traditionally been cheaper than the British variety thanks to low costs, high yield, lower rates of disease and a favourable exchange rate.
But now the tables have turned and the price of meat from UK sheep is now cheaper than that of its antipodean suppliers for the first time since 2011, industry analysts revealed. The Brexit vote saw the pound fall, but that made imports more expensive. At the same time the UK market improved after good breeding weather this summer which led to 15.8 million lambs being born, a 12-year high. At the same time, New Zealand saw an increase in the price paid for milk so more farmers turned their attention to dairy farming which saw its lamb crop fall for the last three years running. They also had unseasonably bad weather, more disease and higher lamb mortality. Emerging foreign markets such as China are also buying more of the meat, which has forced up prices. The wholesale price of a kilo of lamb in the UK has fallen to £3.36, down 16 per cent year on year, said retail experts Mintec.
Meanwhile, the price of New Zealand lamb has jumped by a staggering 51 per cent to £3.82 a kilo here.
Analyst Michael Liberty said: “Brits could be tucking into more home grown lamb this winter. “Lower costs and higher efficiency rates in New Zealand typically give the country's sheep meat exporters a competitive advantage over UK lamb producers.
“However, with a weak pound and a decline in the New Zealand herd size, lamb prices are currently lower than New Zealand's in GB pound terms for the first time since 2011.”
He predicted more UK lamb on the domestic market over the next six months while frozen lamb from New Zealand becomes harder to source. |
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Post by yattongas on May 18, 2021 15:26:30 GMT
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Post by axegas on May 18, 2021 15:33:18 GMT
Not really been picked up by UK media, but it seems that Johnson is keen on building a tunnel between Morocco and Gibraltar as part of trade talks between the two countries. Would be the first bridge to link Africa and Europe. The Spanish had their own plans, which fell through a couple of years ago but were recently revived. Will be interesting to see what develops.
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