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Post by yattongas on May 24, 2021 18:39:54 GMT
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Post by axegas on May 25, 2021 1:27:31 GMT
That article seems to make out that the solution in all this is fairly doable, the UK signs up to align itself with the EU’s robust food safety laws and in return the EU green lights the UK’s risk based proposal that would allow restrictions to be waived on certain items going from GB-NI, with the UK’s aligned standards alleviating the risks posed by those products to the single market. If this hurts our negotiations with the US on trade so what? Surely fraternity and ease of trade in the UK is more important? |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 6:17:39 GMT
That article seems to make out that the solution in all this is fairly doable, the UK signs up to align itself with the EU’s robust food safety laws and in return the EU green lights the UK’s risk based proposal that would allow restrictions to be waived on certain items going from GB-NI, with the UK’s aligned standards alleviating the risks posed by those products to the single market. If this hurts our negotiations with the US on trade so what? Surely fraternity and ease of trade in the UK is more important? Yes but if we sign a trade deal with Australia.... those goods can come into the uk and on to N.Ireland . Same for US etc . As soon as we diverge and bring in goods that don’t align ....there’s a problem. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2021 6:33:56 GMT
That article seems to make out that the solution in all this is fairly doable, the UK signs up to align itself with the EU’s robust food safety laws and in return the EU green lights the UK’s risk based proposal that would allow restrictions to be waived on certain items going from GB-NI, with the UK’s aligned standards alleviating the risks posed by those products to the single market. If this hurts our negotiations with the US on trade so what? Surely fraternity and ease of trade in the UK is more important? Yes but if we sign a trade deal with Australia.... those goods can come into the uk and on to N.Ireland . Same for US etc . As soon as we diverge and bring in goods that don’t align ....there’s a problem. Only if those goods are permitted to be exported from the UK. |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 6:48:56 GMT
Yes but if we sign a trade deal with Australia.... those goods can come into the uk and on to N.Ireland . Same for US etc . As soon as we diverge and bring in goods that don’t align ....there’s a problem. Only if those goods are permitted to be exported from the UK. That’s why checks will be needed or it opens up a back door into the EU . |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 7:06:06 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2021 8:23:04 GMT
Only if those goods are permitted to be exported from the UK. That’s why checks will be needed or it opens up a back door into the EU . I do find the EUs self righteousness quote funny,there is little compliance in Southern Europe with the EUs farming regulations and God knows what goes on to animals there but woe be tide any differentiation in any other part of the World. |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 8:44:04 GMT
That’s why checks will be needed or it opens up a back door into the EU . I do find the EUs self righteousness quote funny,there is little compliance in Southern Europe with the EUs farming regulations and God knows what goes on to animals there but woe be tide any differentiation in any other part of the World. What examples do you have Clive out of interest? |
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2021 10:48:08 GMT
I do find the EUs self righteousness quote funny,there is little compliance in Southern Europe with the EUs farming regulations and God knows what goes on to animals there but woe be tide any differentiation in any other part of the World. What examples do you have Clive out of interest? I've seen sheep/pig carcasses delivered to a butcher/deli in the back of a Mercedes,local slaughtering without any animal welfare and this was in Italy god knows what happens in Greece |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 11:02:49 GMT
What examples do you have Clive out of interest? I've seen sheep/pig carcasses delivered to a butcher/deli in the back of a Mercedes,local slaughtering without any animal welfare and this was in Italy god knows what happens in Greece Agreed that’s pretty appalling but it’s hardly on the same level as hormone fed meats or GM crops getting into the EU through the back door is it? I’m not sure you can blame the EU as a bloc for misdemeanours in some back water in Spain or Greece . Brexiters do seem to have a problem with the EU having rules ( many we helped to draft) that must be followed . |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 14:51:34 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2021 20:08:51 GMT
I've seen sheep/pig carcasses delivered to a butcher/deli in the back of a Mercedes,local slaughtering without any animal welfare and this was in Italy god knows what happens in Greece Agreed that’s pretty appalling but it’s hardly on the same level as hormone fed meats of GM crops getting into the EU through the back door is it? I’m not sure you can blame the EU as a bloc for misdemeanours in some back water in Spain or Greece . Brexiters do seem to have a problem with the EU having rules ( many we helped to draft) that must be followed . I agree and I have no problem with the rules as long as everyone sticks to them and that is not the case. As far as GM/Hormone it's not something I would want however,is there any actual evidence that they do harm ?. In the end if they come the labelling has to be crystal clear,if there's no demand there will be no trade so it will be interesting to see if the good old British Consumer creates any demand for such products. I blame the EU for lack of enforcement,Northern Italy is not a backwater and the practices I highlighted are endemic and the Authorities turn a blind eye,you certainly wouldn't get away with it here. |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 20:32:28 GMT
Agreed that’s pretty appalling but it’s hardly on the same level as hormone fed meats of GM crops getting into the EU through the back door is it? I’m not sure you can blame the EU as a bloc for misdemeanours in some back water in Spain or Greece . Brexiters do seem to have a problem with the EU having rules ( many we helped to draft) that must be followed . I agree and I have no problem with the rules as long as everyone sticks to them and that is not the case. As far as GM/Hormone it's not something I would want however,is there any actual evidence that they do harm ?. In the end if they come the labelling has to be crystal clear,if there's no demand there will be no trade so it will be interesting to see if the good old British Consumer creates any demand for such products. I’m not sure personally either way on gm crops / hormones as I don’t know enough about them but I’m on the sceptical side .The point is though that we’ve been assured that standards wouldn’t be lowered . You’ve seen some dodgy practices inside the EU at first hand , but the standards as a whole are pretty high . Can you imagine what goes on in other parts of the world ? consumers aren’t going to know half of the time what goes into their food products , who reads the label on a mince & onion pie and if the beef comes from Aus, Brazil , Ireland etc ? Remember the horse meat scandal ? 😂 |
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2021 22:11:14 GMT
I agree and I have no problem with the rules as long as everyone sticks to them and that is not the case. As far as GM/Hormone it's not something I would want however,is there any actual evidence that they do harm ?. In the end if they come the labelling has to be crystal clear,if there's no demand there will be no trade so it will be interesting to see if the good old British Consumer creates any demand for such products. I’m not sure personally either way on gm crops / hormones as I don’t know enough about them but I’m on the sceptical side .The point is though that we’ve been assured that standards wouldn’t be lowered . You’ve seen some dodgy practices inside the EU at first hand , but the standards as a whole are pretty high . Can you imagine what goes on in other parts of the world ? consumers aren’t going to know half of the time what goes into their food products , who reads the label on a mince & onion pie and if the beef comes from Aus, Brazil , Ireland etc ? Remember the horse meat scandal ? 😂 Horse meat is a delicacy in France 😆 |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 22:12:22 GMT
I’m not sure personally either way on gm crops / hormones as I don’t know enough about them but I’m on the sceptical side .The point is though that we’ve been assured that standards wouldn’t be lowered . You’ve seen some dodgy practices inside the EU at first hand , but the standards as a whole are pretty high . Can you imagine what goes on in other parts of the world ? consumers aren’t going to know half of the time what goes into their food products , who reads the label on a mince & onion pie and if the beef comes from Aus, Brazil , Ireland etc ? Remember the horse meat scandal ? 😂 Horse meat is a delicacy in France 😆 Neigh ? ! |
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 22:38:22 GMT
I’ll tell you what’s is great entertainment..... read the EU thread on the other forum as they desperately scrounge around for Brexit wins . It’s hilarious!
Surely ...... SURELY , there has to to be a point where even those headbangers realise they were duped ?
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Post by francegas on May 26, 2021 6:04:25 GMT
I’m not sure personally either way on gm crops / hormones as I don’t know enough about them but I’m on the sceptical side .The point is though that we’ve been assured that standards wouldn’t be lowered . You’ve seen some dodgy practices inside the EU at first hand , but the standards as a whole are pretty high . Can you imagine what goes on in other parts of the world ? consumers aren’t going to know half of the time what goes into their food products , who reads the label on a mince & onion pie and if the beef comes from Aus, Brazil , Ireland etc ? Remember the horse meat scandal ? 😂 Horse meat is a delicacy in France 😆 Few years ago my step son and some friends came out to stay. They decided to have a BBQ one day, so off they went to the supermarket to get a load of meat. Back they came with a ton of chicken sausages and beef. When the wife and I read the packaging of what they thought was beef (none of them speak a word of French) it turned out to be horse meat. We slapped it on the grill and ate it. You know what it was actually quite nice. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 26, 2021 8:19:12 GMT
I’ll tell you what’s is great entertainment..... read the EU thread on the other forum as they desperately scrounge around for Brexit wins . It’s hilarious! Surely ...... SURELY , there has to to be a point where even those headbangers realise they were duped ? 🙄 I just read a post there where the poster was quite outraged that despite our history 'saving Europe from the Germans' they didn't see fit to reward us with Eurovision Song Contest points. Seriously, I read that. |
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Post by oldie on May 26, 2021 9:59:53 GMT
I’ll tell you what’s is great entertainment..... read the EU thread on the other forum as they desperately scrounge around for Brexit wins . It’s hilarious! Surely ...... SURELY , there has to to be a point where even those headbangers realise they were duped ? 🙄 I just read a post there where the poster was quite outraged that despite our history 'saving Europe from the Germans' they didn't see fit to reward us with Eurovision Song Contest points. Seriously, I read that. That whole thread is pathetic, even name calling on people who have not contributed. An inferiority complex for all to witness |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 26, 2021 10:11:28 GMT
Good luck to PP and Axe over there, though.
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