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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2021 23:11:55 GMT
He picks the managers though, just wondering how the DNA is now ! Wael, nice guy though he is, doesn’t seem to be the best at running a football club. He’s in charge of the purse strings though and his main role in so far as the football side of things goes is to bankroll the team- fair enough. As such you’d think he really needs better people that he can entrust to run the football side of the club efficiently and successfully. If Martin Starnes is the best we can do then we might as well accept relegation now. Since Coughlan left every decision seems to have backfired. Can’t pick a manager, can’t spot a player and yet Widdrington gets a promotion! What sort of message does that send out? The whole lot needs an overhaul from the board down to the team. Are you Wayne who rang Twentyman going mad about Widdrington last week? Didn't Widdrington recruit the players who got us into 4th in December 2019? Didn't Widdrington recruit JCH who we just sold for over a million?
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 30, 2021 23:17:45 GMT
Any side we have with Westbrook in it is far from our strongest. Spot on.
Having Westbrooke in the side is arguably worse than playing with 10 men. He slows the game down so much the opposition have time for a cup of tea before getting back in position, he hardly ever tracks midfield runners, makes little effort to retieve the ball when he gives it away and can't tackle for toffee. He's right up there with Bennett as one of our worst ever signings when you consider the wages he's probably on.
Every time I see him play I'm shouting put some **** effort in!
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 30, 2021 23:22:33 GMT
Wouldn’t say we are that defensive. Against Peterborough and at the start today, we had 3 upfront a lot of the time. He said at Exeter the first season was about not losing, then when he could bring player’s in, he changed the style over time. Don’t know if Tisdale will work out. But at the moment, he has an unbalanced squad. With no leaders, no goal scorer etc. The problem we have as a club, is that we tried to change too much over one summer. At the moment we seem to be getting injuries to the same position at the same time. It was the forward players. Now the 2 experienced midfielders at the same time. Anssi is a big miss as well. We were ok top when that scored the 2nd. Anssi would have saved that IMO, then you never know. Tisdale has to sort it out. But without a goal scorer and a few leaders, I think we would struggle anyway. Some fair points there although I'm not sure it was a case of changing too much too soon, if you get the right mix of players then you can crack on immediately. The problem is not too much change its more too many wrong decisions: keeping Garner, backing Garner, squad balance, recruitment...I can't think of one decision the club has got right since GC left. Actually, selling jch was the right call. So yeah I appreciate your view that Tisdale can't be blamed for having to work with Garner and Widdrington's trash but is he faultless in how he's going about it? I think he's sabotaging himself and it's adding to our poor recruitment problems. Don’t think it helps that Tisdale does not like loans. I get his point of view, that he would rather develop his own player’s. But at the moment we need goals. Even if it’s a young striker, that will get a few goals and give us a different option. One of the main problems, was not replacing leaders. Craig was replaced with centre backs that seem to be quiet. Ogogo was out on loan. His presence made a difference at Peterborough IMO. With him and Upson out, there is no one to boss anyone around in midfield or upfront. Those type of player’s are hard to find normally, but even harder to find in January and with the new wage restrictions. Fingers crossed we can get a striker and a midfielder. Not sure how long Anssi is out for. Him and Daly back can make a difference as well. At least other teams have been even worse than us! Seems like the longest season ever and we are we are only now half way through!
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 30, 2021 23:25:15 GMT
Westbrooke is sh**e. Total and utter sh**e. Need rid of asap. Hanlan works hard and is a good player but isn't the guy to get 20+ a season. Defensively we are dreadful. Missing Anssi. Tisdale talks a good game and I got reeled in but he has 3 games to save his job IMO. Going down. Couldn't agree more about Westbrooke. I said a couple of weeks ago he's the player I'd most like to see leave.
Sh*t player. Sh*t attitude. He puts in less b***dy effort than Payne!
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Post by Gassy on Jan 30, 2021 23:27:18 GMT
Wael, nice guy though he is, doesn’t seem to be the best at running a football club. He’s in charge of the purse strings though and his main role in so far as the football side of things goes is to bankroll the team- fair enough. As such you’d think he really needs better people that he can entrust to run the football side of the club efficiently and successfully. If Martin Starnes is the best we can do then we might as well accept relegation now. Since Coughlan left every decision seems to have backfired. Can’t pick a manager, can’t spot a player and yet Widdrington gets a promotion! What sort of message does that send out? The whole lot needs an overhaul from the board down to the team. Are you Wayne who rang Twentyman going mad about Widdrington last week? Didn't Widdrington recruit the players who got us into 4th in December 2019? Didn't Widdrington recruit JCH who we just sold for over a million? Was it actually TW who brought in JCH, of GC? Reading the stories at the time, it sounds like a GC signing tbf. TW most likely did add quality to the squad to get us up to 4th, but he also has to take responsibility for the players now as well and in the past year, it seems evident that he's done a poor job.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2021 0:18:49 GMT
What I would give to have Ollie Clarke back in the middle of this team. Never thought I would say that this time last year.
At least he cared and got others involved and to care too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 0:45:31 GMT
Wael, nice guy though he is, doesn’t seem to be the best at running a football club. He’s in charge of the purse strings though and his main role in so far as the football side of things goes is to bankroll the team- fair enough. As such you’d think he really needs better people that he can entrust to run the football side of the club efficiently and successfully. If Martin Starnes is the best we can do then we might as well accept relegation now. Since Coughlan left every decision seems to have backfired. Can’t pick a manager, can’t spot a player and yet Widdrington gets a promotion! What sort of message does that send out? The whole lot needs an overhaul from the board down to the team. Are you Wayne who rang Twentyman going mad about Widdrington last week? Didn't Widdrington recruit the players who got us into 4th in December 2019? Didn't Widdrington recruit JCH who we just sold for over a million? I’ll give him his due for us being in 3rd but the flip side of the coin is you have to ask yourself how many have gone on to better things if they were that talented? How many of them are playing at league one level or higher? Spoiler alert: only JCH. So as a team they surpassed the sum of their parts, as individual signings they obviously weren’t considered league one standard when they left us. Widdrington himself has spoken about GC’s certain type of player and how we were trying to move away from that- in that sense he hasn’t covered himself in glory in picking out players to play a more progressive brand of football. He’s also said that this is the “best squad since promotion”, would you agree with that endorsement? If we want to continue down the path of playing good football with youth as Wael seems to want then Widdrington hasn’t exactly made a case for why he should be the man to scout the recruits (arguably the most important aspect). I mean why on Earth was Ayunga offered to Garner, let alone allowed to sign? Harries too. They all seem to have powder puff attitudes, not a leader amongst them. How could such a criminal error be made by Garner and Widdrington between them?
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Post by scottleroc on Jan 31, 2021 1:09:39 GMT
The other person that is hiding and should be questioned is Martyn Starnes ,never seems to get mentioned yet is prime mover in the appointment process He doesn't pick the team nor fund the transfers? Only Wael and PT can get us out of this mess. That’s the thing that gets me. There doesn’t seem a ‘let’s have a go’ attitude when losing. DC would sometimes go maverick but you may as well have a go rather than just lose the game without a whimper!
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Post by Congas on Jan 31, 2021 8:24:28 GMT
It’s not the end of the transfer window yet. But if we can’t do any business we may as well ask the EFL if we can just forfeit the rest of the season and start preparing for league two It looks like we've started already. Definitely League 2 fare yesterday
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Post by LJG on Jan 31, 2021 9:26:08 GMT
Are you Wayne who rang Twentyman going mad about Widdrington last week? Didn't Widdrington recruit the players who got us into 4th in December 2019? Didn't Widdrington recruit JCH who we just sold for over a million? I’ll give him his due for us being in 3rd but the flip side of the coin is you have to ask yourself how many have gone on to better things if they were that talented? How many of them are playing at league one level or higher? Spoiler alert: only JCH. So as a team they surpassed the sum of their parts, as individual signings they obviously weren’t considered league one standard when they left us. Widdrington himself has spoken about GC’s certain type of player and how we were trying to move away from that- in that sense he hasn’t covered himself in glory in picking out players to play a more progressive brand of football. He’s also said that this is the “best squad since promotion”, would you agree with that endorsement? If we want to continue down the path of playing good football with youth as Wael seems to want then Widdrington hasn’t exactly made a case for why he should be the man to scout the recruits (arguably the most important aspect). I mean why on Earth was Ayunga offered to Garner, let alone allowed to sign? Harries too. They all seem to have powder puff attitudes, not a leader amongst them. How could such a criminal error be made by Garner and Widdrington between them? Well he didn't recruit them for when they left us did we? He recruited them to be in that team that was at the top end of the league. Why should he or anyone else at Rovers care where they go next? Spoiler alert- we shouldn't. I think you're directing your criticism in the wrong direction, Will.
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Post by LJG on Jan 31, 2021 9:27:38 GMT
Are you Wayne who rang Twentyman going mad about Widdrington last week? Didn't Widdrington recruit the players who got us into 4th in December 2019? Didn't Widdrington recruit JCH who we just sold for over a million? Was it actually TW who brought in JCH, of GC? Reading the stories at the time, it sounds like a GC signing tbf. TW most likely did add quality to the squad to get us up to 4th, but he also has to take responsibility for the players now as well and in the past year, it seems evident that he's done a poor job. We're either saying he has to take responsibility for recruitment or we're not. If the failures are his so are the successes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 9:38:22 GMT
Nigel Clough and Cotterill were available when we sacked Garner. Look at the upturn at both Shrewsbury and Mansfield since appointing those two. Granted, Clough may not have wanted to come all the way down here. But it doesn’t get any more local than Cotterill... Big big mistake.
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Post by pirate on Jan 31, 2021 9:41:54 GMT
Was it actually TW who brought in JCH, of GC? Reading the stories at the time, it sounds like a GC signing tbf. TW most likely did add quality to the squad to get us up to 4th, but he also has to take responsibility for the players now as well and in the past year, it seems evident that he's done a poor job. We're either saying he has to take responsibility for recruitment or we're not. If the failures are his so are the successes. For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2021 9:51:35 GMT
Nigel Clough and Cotterill were available when we sacked Garner. Look at the upturn at both Shrewsbury and Mansfield since appointing those two. Granted, Clough may not have wanted to come all the way down here. But it doesn’t get any more local than Cotterill... Big big mistake. Clough wasn’t. He took over at Burton 2 weeks previously. I remember lamenting that at the time.
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Post by gasssss95 on Jan 31, 2021 9:52:30 GMT
We're either saying he has to take responsibility for recruitment or we're not. If the failures are his so are the successes. For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. I would do literally anything to have Nichols and Jakubiak in this current squad! At least Nichols got involved and created chances, and Jak knew where the net was!!
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Post by bluebiro on Jan 31, 2021 9:54:51 GMT
What I would give to have Ollie Clarke back in the middle of this team. Never thought I would say that this time last year. At least he cared and got others involved and to care too. would never let him be discarded in the first place. He can tackle head shoot with either foot.most importantly knew what it meant to be a rovers man and showed that. Have him back tomorrow if he was available
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2021 9:55:49 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. I would do literally anything to have Nichols and Jakubiak in this current squad! At least Nichols got involved and created chances, and Jak knew where the net was!! Neither set the world on fire and we’d still complain incessantly about them but they’d do a job I agree.
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Post by pirate on Jan 31, 2021 9:58:12 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. I would do literally anything to have Nichols and Jakubiak in this current squad! At least Nichols got involved and created chances, and Jak knew where the net was!! Shows what a desperate situation it is when you would "do literally anything" to have either of those players back. Neither were good enough. To think Nichols cost 300k+ sends shivers down the spine.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 31, 2021 10:47:30 GMT
I find it a contradiction that 2 players coming back from injury in the last week (Oztumer and Nicholson, not to mention Daly coming back which is huge considering our numbers up top) is not an excuse but signing a striker will transform the season.
For the record, I completely agree we do need another striker in the squad.
We seem a streaky team this season. We get stuck in losing ruts and it's hard to see when we'll get out. Looking at the table today, I do think we're better than the teams below us right now. But we desperately need a run of games with the same XI for consistency. Like Tisdale said last night, it's about getting basic football right and that is a hell of lot easier when you know who is playing next to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 10:48:04 GMT
We're either saying he has to take responsibility for recruitment or we're not. If the failures are his so are the successes. For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Yes pirate that’s how you select all the players you recommend and one will come good.
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