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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 31, 2021 10:59:52 GMT
Pretty much our strongest side today. Totally exposed, no signs of any improvement from garner, hasn’t signed any forward thinking players. Tisdale has to walk. If you can’t win at home to Rochdale just as well pack it in. Disagree! The same analogy would be appointment of builder/chippy/leccy/plumber on a project half way through with blunt tools and expect a perfect job immediately. I have disagreed with some of PT selections and substitutions (probably like much of you), but maybe there's reason for this, and has my full support unless we are relegated. Relegation is where I draw my line, everyone else draws theirs differently..
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2021 11:10:39 GMT
Pretty much our strongest side today. Totally exposed, no signs of any improvement from garner, hasn’t signed any forward thinking players. Tisdale has to walk. If you can’t win at home to Rochdale just as well pack it in. Disagree! The same analogy would be appointment of builder/chippy/leccy/plumber on a project half way through with blunt tools and expect a perfect job immediately. I have disagreed with some of PT selections and substitutions (probably like much of you), but maybe there's reason for this, and has my full support unless we are relegated. Relegation is where I draw my line, everyone else draws theirs differently.. Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 31, 2021 11:14:26 GMT
Disagree! The same analogy would be appointment of builder/chippy/leccy/plumber on a project half way through with blunt tools and expect a perfect job immediately. I have disagreed with some of PT selections and substitutions (probably like much of you), but maybe there's reason for this, and has my full support unless we are relegated. Relegation is where I draw my line, everyone else draws theirs differently.. Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot. Good post and I agree. It's difficult not to. It's up to the manager to address those issues. It's unacceptable. But to suggest PT has to walk because Craig isn't with us anymore and Harries didn't help his mate out is ludicrous.
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Post by pirate on Jan 31, 2021 11:22:35 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Yes pirate that’s how you select all the players you recommend and one will come good. You're talking out the wrong end again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 11:26:18 GMT
I’ll give him his due for us being in 3rd but the flip side of the coin is you have to ask yourself how many have gone on to better things if they were that talented? How many of them are playing at league one level or higher? Spoiler alert: only JCH. So as a team they surpassed the sum of their parts, as individual signings they obviously weren’t considered league one standard when they left us. Widdrington himself has spoken about GC’s certain type of player and how we were trying to move away from that- in that sense he hasn’t covered himself in glory in picking out players to play a more progressive brand of football. He’s also said that this is the “best squad since promotion”, would you agree with that endorsement? If we want to continue down the path of playing good football with youth as Wael seems to want then Widdrington hasn’t exactly made a case for why he should be the man to scout the recruits (arguably the most important aspect). I mean why on Earth was Ayunga offered to Garner, let alone allowed to sign? Harries too. They all seem to have powder puff attitudes, not a leader amongst them. How could such a criminal error be made by Garner and Widdrington between them? Well he didn't recruit them for when they left us did we? He recruited them to be in that team that was at the top end of the league. Why should he or anyone else at Rovers care where they go next? Spoiler alert- we shouldn't. I think you're directing your criticism in the wrong direction, Will. If the players aren’t good enough who’s fault is that? Not the head of recruitment? In his time here Widdrington has presided over one saleable asset whilst we lost money on the likes of Payne, Bennett and Nichols. I’d be very surprised if the JCH money means we are in net credit vs the poor signings that cost us good money. The only consistency to the players signed under his watch is that for every good one there is one or two poor ones and that’s become even more stark this season. It’s not good enough. Unless of course you disagree and agree with the assertion that this is the best squad since promotion? Look at Accrington, they compete for promotion on their budget. How on Earth is our recruitment acceptable when we can’t compete with Accrington? Accrington are a much better run club than we could ever hope to be judging by relative success since we both got promoted. I wonder if they would give Widdrington a job?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jan 31, 2021 11:30:02 GMT
Disagree! The same analogy would be appointment of builder/chippy/leccy/plumber on a project half way through with blunt tools and expect a perfect job immediately. I have disagreed with some of PT selections and substitutions (probably like much of you), but maybe there's reason for this, and has my full support unless we are relegated. Relegation is where I draw my line, everyone else draws theirs differently.. Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot. I think the difference is that Craig was an organiser, he moved players around him into positions for us to defend properly. The 2nd goal yesterday is a perfect example, Craig would have been screaming at Leahy to close the man down, moved across himself and pulled the other centre backs across to cover. Instead nobody took control and their guy strolled into the box and had a free shot
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2021 11:36:10 GMT
Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot. I think the difference is that Craig was an organiser, he moved players around him into positions for us to defend properly. The 2nd goal yesterday is a perfect example, Craig would have been screaming at Leahy to close the man down, moved across himself and pulled the other centre backs across to cover. Instead nobody took control and their guy strolled into the box and had a free shot But somebody took control on Tuesday to stop Posh scoring, perhaps it's the players sleeping walking towards relegation not the club.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jan 31, 2021 11:40:34 GMT
I think the difference is that Craig was an organiser, he moved players around him into positions for us to defend properly. The 2nd goal yesterday is a perfect example, Craig would have been screaming at Leahy to close the man down, moved across himself and pulled the other centre backs across to cover. Instead nobody took control and their guy strolled into the box and had a free shot But somebody took control on Tuesday to stop Posh scoring, perhaps it's the players sleeping walking towards relegation not the club. Maybe we missed Baldwin more than we thought we would ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 11:48:02 GMT
If the players are going “off piste” and not doing “standard football” perhaps the man delivering the message to them isn’t good enough.
His league one record would suggest that may be the case.
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Post by LJG on Jan 31, 2021 11:50:20 GMT
We're either saying he has to take responsibility for recruitment or we're not. If the failures are his so are the successes. For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Just like for every Luis Suarez Liverpool had Iago Aspas and Fabio Borini. What club doesn't? Also, you're trying to blame Widdrington who joined in 2018 for Nichols who joined in 2017? And what was wrong with Jakubiak? Good player who wasn't given a chance for us who proved he could cut it at Gillingham who finished above us in the league. You're trying to blame him for Nichols who joined in 2017?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 11:52:18 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Just like for every Luis Suarez Liverpool had Iago A**** and Fabio Borini. What club doesn't? Also, you're trying to blame Widdrington who joined in 2018 for Nichols who joined in 2017? And what was wrong with Jakubiak? Good player who wasn't given a chance for us who proved he could cut it at Gillingham who finished above us in the league. You're trying to blame him for Nichols who joined in 2017? Pirate thinks he’s a top scout but more like a brownie 😂
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2021 12:05:27 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Just like for every Luis Suarez Liverpool had Iago A**** and Fabio Borini. What club doesn't? Also, you're trying to blame Widdrington who joined in 2018 for Nichols who joined in 2017? And what was wrong with Jakubiak? Good player who wasn't given a chance for us who proved he could cut it at Gillingham who finished above us in the league. You're trying to blame him for Nichols who joined in 2017? Pretty certain GC(?) tried to sign Jak but he choose Gills, but now disappeared off the radar anyway. The real blame lies with whoever agreed to sign Kioki and Liddle but not a striker in the summer, was TW promoted to DoF in order to stop the manager having the final say in the future?
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Post by pirate on Jan 31, 2021 12:07:17 GMT
For every JCH there is a Payne, Reilly, Nichols, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga. Just like for every Luis Suarez Liverpool had Iago A**** and Fabio Borini. What club doesn't? Also, you're trying to blame Widdrington who joined in 2018 for Nichols who joined in 2017? And what was wrong with Jakubiak? Good player who wasn't given a chance for us who proved he could cut it at Gillingham who finished above us in the league. You're trying to blame him for Nichols who joined in 2017? Sorry, Nichols mistakenly lumped in that list, but regardless, the likes of Payne, Reilly, Abraham, Jakubiak, Adeboyejo and Ayunga show more often than not we have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the recruitment of strikers. What was wrong with Jakubiak? He was unable to make a significant impact either on the rare occasions he started or when he came off the bench.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2021 12:07:42 GMT
If the players are going “off piste” and not doing “standard football” perhaps the man delivering the message to them isn’t good enough. His league one record would suggest that may be the case. Or the players need learn to listen to what they are being told? For one reason or another we've had 4 managers in just over a season, at some point we have to stick with one of them.
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Post by scottleroc on Jan 31, 2021 12:08:11 GMT
Disagree! The same analogy would be appointment of builder/chippy/leccy/plumber on a project half way through with blunt tools and expect a perfect job immediately. I have disagreed with some of PT selections and substitutions (probably like much of you), but maybe there's reason for this, and has my full support unless we are relegated. Relegation is where I draw my line, everyone else draws theirs differently.. Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot. And Westbrooke was doing a kind of fake job back to look like he was trying. There plenty enough players around to stop that goal. There were 4 Rovers players in the line for the first. It’s comical, it would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing!
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Post by scottleroc on Jan 31, 2021 12:09:04 GMT
Is post match interview sums things up, why can't a bunch of pro footballers get the basics right, something they must have been doing even at school boy level, surely marking opposition players at a corner etc isn't difficult? Likewise the on the second goal when Harries saw Leahy backpedaling why didn't he do something, I'm sure Craig would have done something last season to block the shot. And Westbrooke was doing a kind of fake job back to look like he was trying. There plenty enough players around to stop that goal. There were 4 Rovers players in the line for the first. It’s comical, it would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing! Edit- ‘jog’ not job
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Post by RD on Jan 31, 2021 12:33:43 GMT
The biggest concern for me is the complete lack of progress.
Defensively we are just as abysmal as under Garner and we're still pretty toothless going forward.
Team selections are bizarre at times and his in-game decision making seems completely crazy and very slow.
All very, very worrying signs. I mean, i think McC is our best player and he's been on the bench the last few games. Hargreaves has always looked lively and gives 100% and yet can't get a look in.
What's worse is Exeter fans warned us about all of this. It really does look like they were right (which isn't surprising - they probably know him better than anyone including his parents and wife!)
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Post by LJG on Jan 31, 2021 12:37:13 GMT
Well he didn't recruit them for when they left us did we? He recruited them to be in that team that was at the top end of the league. Why should he or anyone else at Rovers care where they go next? Spoiler alert- we shouldn't. I think you're directing your criticism in the wrong direction, Will. If the players aren’t good enough who’s fault is that? Not the head of recruitment? In his time here Widdrington has presided over one saleable asset whilst we lost money on the likes of Payne, Bennett and Nichols. I’d be very surprised if the JCH money means we are in net credit vs the poor signings that cost us good money. The only consistency to the players signed under his watch is that for every good one there is one or two poor ones and that’s become even more stark this season. It’s not good enough. Unless of course you disagree and agree with the assertion that this is the best squad since promotion? Look at Accrington, they compete for promotion on their budget. How on Earth is our recruitment acceptable when we can’t compete with Accrington? Accrington are a much better run club than we could ever hope to be judging by relative success since we both got promoted. I wonder if they would give Widdrington a job? I think we're going in circles here, Will. The recruitment was good enough for 4th. He was clearly told to recruit for the future and that's clearly what he's done. Plenty of the squad are good prospects they're just not ready. For me the bottom line is BG was allowed to turn everything on its head for his ideology that hasn't worked and now PT is out of his depth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 13:26:50 GMT
If the players aren’t good enough who’s fault is that? Not the head of recruitment? In his time here Widdrington has presided over one saleable asset whilst we lost money on the likes of Payne, Bennett and Nichols. I’d be very surprised if the JCH money means we are in net credit vs the poor signings that cost us good money. The only consistency to the players signed under his watch is that for every good one there is one or two poor ones and that’s become even more stark this season. It’s not good enough. Unless of course you disagree and agree with the assertion that this is the best squad since promotion? Look at Accrington, they compete for promotion on their budget. How on Earth is our recruitment acceptable when we can’t compete with Accrington? Accrington are a much better run club than we could ever hope to be judging by relative success since we both got promoted. I wonder if they would give Widdrington a job? I think we're going in circles here, Will. The recruitment was good enough for 4th. He was clearly told to recruit for the future and that's clearly what he's done. Plenty of the squad are good prospects they're just not ready. For me the bottom line is BG was allowed to turn everything on its head for his ideology that hasn't worked and now PT is out of his depth. Hmm...plenty of good prospects? I think you’re over-egging the pudding there. BG was undoubtedly a stupid appointment, but if the players he’s offered aren’t great to start with then even the likes of Alex Ferguson would struggle. I have some sympathy for Tisdale working with this set of players but I would agree that he’s not up to it. Who hired those guys? At the end of the day if we can’t do better than the composition of the current board then I really do despair because we’re being left behind by clubs like Accrington who make the most of little while we spend 18 million just to tread water. Wael needs to shake the club up and get some new ideas in, it’s been a catastrophe of errors since GC left.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 31, 2021 13:54:35 GMT
Ffs move on! Never read so many posts about the past! Probably a huge reason the Club Never will move forward. Supported by a large amount, that can’t move on!
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