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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 19:04:41 GMT
We’ve picked up less points against worse opposition since Tisdale came in with the same players. That is a reflection on him PT has lost Jaakola, probably one of the best goalies in L1 plus Daly, Ozt and Nicholson who was probably our best player when he was injured, so he hardly had the same players, when Nicholson picked up his injury we'd just won 4 games out of 5! Garner had every issue you just mentioned.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 31, 2021 19:57:07 GMT
PT has lost Jaakola, probably one of the best goalies in L1 plus Daly, Ozt and Nicholson who was probably our best player when he was injured, so he hardly had the same players, when Nicholson picked up his injury we'd just won 4 games out of 5! Garner had every issue you just mentioned. He didn’t. Anssi played nearly every league games before Garner left. The others all played quite a few. Plus Garner assembled an unbalanced squad. So if he was short upfront, it was his fault. How did Garner do with another manager’s squad??? He had JCH last season and how many did he win?? It’s not as simple as comparing this seasons results.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2021 20:05:58 GMT
Garner had every issue you just mentioned. He didn’t. Anssi played nearly every league games before Garner left. The others all played quite a few. Plus Garner assembled an unbalanced squad. So if he was short upfront, it was his fault. How did Garner do with another manager’s squad??? He had JCH last season and how many did he win?? It’s not as simple as comparing this seasons results. I’m pretty sure I watched JVS and Blackman in goal for us in Garners team last season
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 31, 2021 20:08:00 GMT
He didn’t. Anssi played nearly every league games before Garner left. The others all played quite a few. Plus Garner assembled an unbalanced squad. So if he was short upfront, it was his fault. How did Garner do with another manager’s squad??? He had JCH last season and how many did he win?? It’s not as simple as comparing this seasons results. I’m pretty sure I watched JVS and Blackman in goal for us in Garners team last season Blackman was a good keeper. A lot better than Day. I was talking about this season though, as that was what he was trying to compare.
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 31, 2021 20:51:03 GMT
I don't think this is any reflection on Tisdale, it just goes to show what a crap, inexperienced, imbalanced squad Garner put together. It takes transfer windows to sort this mess out, January is always a dead loss, so it's hang on till the summer and hope for the best. We’ve picked up less points against worse opposition since Tisdale came in with the same players. That is a reflection on him Ah well easy game being a manager, even harder when it’s someone else’s squad and that squad were already bereft of confidence and likely to get worse no matter who manages them. Not helped by the lack of experience in there to work though bad form. A development squad put together by someone who only knew development squads, when what we needed was battle hardened League One players and the board backed Garner. Blaming Tisdale is a cheap swipe
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 31, 2021 22:43:04 GMT
We’ve picked up less points against worse opposition since Tisdale came in with the same players. That is a reflection on him Ah well easy game being a manager, even harder when it’s someone else’s squad and that squad were already bereft of confidence and likely to get worse no matter who manages them. Not helped by the lack of experience in there to work though bad form. A development squad put together by someone who only knew development squads, when what we needed was battle hardened League One players and the board backed Garner. Blaming Tisdale is a cheap swipe It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 1, 2021 0:44:22 GMT
Ah well easy game being a manager, even harder when it’s someone else’s squad and that squad were already bereft of confidence and likely to get worse no matter who manages them. Not helped by the lack of experience in there to work though bad form. A development squad put together by someone who only knew development squads, when what we needed was battle hardened League One players and the board backed Garner. Blaming Tisdale is a cheap swipe It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. Easy to say he’s had plenty of time to get them into shape. But how much training time, have they actually had??? Probably all about recovery at the moment. Especially as we had 3 away games in a row recently and the next 2 games are away. Getting hardly any time on the training ground. I wouldn’t say it’s been worse than ever. Most the games could have gone either way, but we’ve been poor in boxes. Earlier in the season, we were lucky to get a corner or a shot on target.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 1, 2021 1:00:47 GMT
Ah well easy game being a manager, even harder when it’s someone else’s squad and that squad were already bereft of confidence and likely to get worse no matter who manages them. Not helped by the lack of experience in there to work though bad form. A development squad put together by someone who only knew development squads, when what we needed was battle hardened League One players and the board backed Garner. Blaming Tisdale is a cheap swipe It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. There is clearly a need for improvement in all areas and as posted on other threads, I'm puzzled by some of the tactical/formation decisions that Tisdale is making. But to say that we look worse now than ever is completely wrong in my book. There were times under Garner that I never knew where our next win was coming from. Thankfully the return of Nicholson has improved things significantly up front and there are other promising signs.
I'll concede that Tisdale can no longer use the excuse of not knowing his players. It's pretty obvious now who can and who isn't performing and what works and what doesn't.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2021 7:26:54 GMT
It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. Easy to say he’s had plenty of time to get them into shape. But how much training time, have they actually had??? Probably all about recovery at the moment. Especially as we had 3 away games in a row recently and the next 2 games are away. Getting hardly any time on the training ground. I wouldn’t say it’s been worse than ever. Most the games could have gone either way, but we’ve been poor in boxes. Earlier in the season, we were lucky to get a corner or a shot on target. GGMI(?) even started a thread about how few shots we had per game, as you say I can remember watching matches were the highlight was just a single shot on target.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 1, 2021 8:08:51 GMT
It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. There is clearly a need for improvement in all areas and as posted on other threads, I'm puzzled by some of the tactical/formation decisions that Tisdale is making. But to say that we look worse now than ever is completely wrong in my book. There were times under Garner that I never knew where our next win was coming from. Thankfully the return of Nicholson has improved things significantly up front and there are other promising signs.
I'll concede that Tisdale can no longer use the excuse of not knowing his players. It's pretty obvious now who can and who isn't performing and what works and what doesn't. On the contrary Garner never had a run of 5 defeats. In fact I think 3 in a row was his worst run.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 1, 2021 9:15:24 GMT
There is clearly a need for improvement in all areas and as posted on other threads, I'm puzzled by some of the tactical/formation decisions that Tisdale is making. But to say that we look worse now than ever is completely wrong in my book. There were times under Garner that I never knew where our next win was coming from. Thankfully the return of Nicholson has improved things significantly up front and there are other promising signs.
I'll concede that Tisdale can no longer use the excuse of not knowing his players. It's pretty obvious now who can and who isn't performing and what works and what doesn't. On the contrary Garner never had a run of 5 defeats. In fact I think 3 in a row was his worst run. We'll have to agree to disagree. Either way, there is an obvious need for improvement or we are getting relegated IMO. I just think we would have got there sooner under Garner.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 1, 2021 10:01:03 GMT
There is clearly a need for improvement in all areas and as posted on other threads, I'm puzzled by some of the tactical/formation decisions that Tisdale is making. But to say that we look worse now than ever is completely wrong in my book. There were times under Garner that I never knew where our next win was coming from. Thankfully the return of Nicholson has improved things significantly up front and there are other promising signs.
I'll concede that Tisdale can no longer use the excuse of not knowing his players. It's pretty obvious now who can and who isn't performing and what works and what doesn't. On the contrary Garner never had a run of 5 defeats. In fact I think 3 in a row was his worst run. It wasn’t 5 league games. One was against a Premier league team and one was in the rubbish trophy, where we made lots of changes. We still played well in some of those games, but were missing our 3 best attacking options at the same time. Garner hardly won any games last season, with JCH in the squad. Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row last season.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 1, 2021 13:39:22 GMT
On the contrary Garner never had a run of 5 defeats. In fact I think 3 in a row was his worst run. It wasn’t 5 league games. One was against a Premier league team and one was in the rubbish trophy, where we made lots of changes. We still played well in some of those games, but were missing our 3 best attacking options at the same time. Garner hardly won any games last season, with JCH in the squad. Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row last season. “Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row” Give me 5 mins and I’ll check and let you know
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 1, 2021 13:44:05 GMT
It wasn’t 5 league games. One was against a Premier league team and one was in the rubbish trophy, where we made lots of changes. We still played well in some of those games, but were missing our 3 best attacking options at the same time. Garner hardly won any games last season, with JCH in the squad. Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row last season. “Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row” Give me 5 mins and I’ll check and let you know Last season All games - 4 defeats in a row League - 3 games in a row This season All games - 2 defeats in a row League - 2 defeats in a row
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Post by rusho'gas on Feb 1, 2021 13:47:53 GMT
Always a miserable day out, long way back having seen yet another loss. Only plus side is not having to endure the M6 after said loss.
Come on Gas prove me wrong, happy to accept anything other than a loss.
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 1, 2021 13:54:03 GMT
Ah well easy game being a manager, even harder when it’s someone else’s squad and that squad were already bereft of confidence and likely to get worse no matter who manages them. Not helped by the lack of experience in there to work though bad form. A development squad put together by someone who only knew development squads, when what we needed was battle hardened League One players and the board backed Garner. Blaming Tisdale is a cheap swipe It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. You can't turn mutton into lamb, doesn't matter how good you are. The people to blame are Garner and the board that bought into his ridiculous and inexperienced plan. Cheap swipe blaming Tisdale. Judge him when he's been able to build his own squad.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 1, 2021 13:58:19 GMT
It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. You can't turn mutton into lamb, doesn't matter how good you are. The people to blame are Garner and the board that bought into his ridiculous and inexperienced plan. Cheap swipe blaming Tisdale. Judge him when he's been able to build his own squad. Let him build his own squad then sack him after 11 league games 👌🏻
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Post by LJG on Feb 1, 2021 14:10:05 GMT
It’s not a cheap swipe. The facts and stats are there for all to read. Tisdale has had 12 league games and 3 or 4 cup games to get us ship shape, stronger mentally and on the field and to improve us as a unit. Facts also show that we look worse now than we have ever done. That takes some doing. Yes he inherited a squad that wasn’t his which was unbalanced and lacked various skill sets, but he’s a football manager who’s seen it all and if his management consultant videos are anything to go by, he should have whipped this lot into shape on week 1. We had no new manager bounce and neither have we had any progressive improvement to give us any evidence we are going to stay up. You can't turn mutton into lamb, doesn't matter how good you are. The people to blame are Garner and the board that bought into his ridiculous and inexperienced plan. Cheap swipe blaming Tisdale. Judge him when he's been able to build his own squad.In League Two?
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 1, 2021 14:38:37 GMT
“Be surprised if he didn’t lose 5 in a row” Give me 5 mins and I’ll check and let you know Last season All games - 4 defeats in a row League - 3 games in a row This season All games - 2 defeats in a row League - 2 defeats in a row Went longer without a win though and we drew to teams like Bolton, that were like defeats as well. Definitely didn’t include games against a Premier league team. He had JCH upfront as well.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 1, 2021 15:24:17 GMT
Last season All games - 4 defeats in a row League - 3 games in a row This season All games - 2 defeats in a row League - 2 defeats in a row Went longer without a win though and we drew to teams like Bolton, that were like defeats as well. Definitely didn’t include games against a Premier league team. He had JCH upfront as well. Draw like defeats? As in drawing with Wigan and losing to Swindon? You know we have currently gone 7 games without a win? Lost 6 Drawn 1.
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