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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 19:37:53 GMT
Not Rovers but an issue with the game we love - if a referee gives a stupid red card having viewed the pitch side monitor over and over again, and the red card is subsequently overturned on appeal, surely the referees competency has to be assessed. The fact that it isn’t and he then goes on to do the same thing a few days later kind of serves the premier league right
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Post by baggins on Feb 6, 2021 19:40:46 GMT
Not Rovers but an issue with the game we love - if a referee gives a stupid red card having viewed the pitch side monitor over and over again, and the red card is subsequently overturned on appeal, surely the referees competency has to be assessed. The fact that it isn’t and he then goes on to do the same thing a few days later kind of serves the premier league right Been watching that as well. About time referees were put infront the cameras and answer questions on their decisions. That was just horrendous.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 6, 2021 19:43:10 GMT
Just glad we don’t have Var in league one.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 6, 2021 19:44:48 GMT
I did 12 seasons on the FL as a lineman.No earpieces,no VAR,just common sense and we could always consult like me here at Anfield in '89.Liverpool claimed Arsenal's goal was indirect and had gone in directly without touching anyone else.Alan Smith in fact had glanced it in with his head but we didn't need VAR,Replays etc.The decision actually determined that Arsenal and not Liverpool won the title.Match played in late May due to the Hillsborough disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 19:48:42 GMT
It’s what I feared VAR would create. If there’s an accidental brush on your shoulder and you carry on playing then nothing happens. If you roll around holding your face and screaming, VAR will support you. It’s a license to cheat facilitated by refs who simply don’t understand the game
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Post by neilv93 on Feb 6, 2021 19:49:27 GMT
That decision on Soucek was an absolute farce. Game is gone at the elite level due to VAR, I detest it when it's used in this manner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 19:52:08 GMT
View AttachmentI did 12 seasons on the FL as a lineman.No earpieces,no VAR,just common sense and we could always consult like me here at Anfield in '89.Liverpool claimed Arsenal's goal was indirect and had gone in directly without touching anyone else.Alan Smith in fact had glanced it in with his head but we didn't need VAR,Relays etc.The decision actually determined that Arsenal and not Liverpool won the title.Match played in late May due to the Hillsborough disaster. A brave decision Staffs to make at Anfield in such a crucial game, and proven to be the right one. I’m sure a lot of officials would have bottled that, fair play for trusting your judgement
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 20:05:47 GMT
View AttachmentI did 12 seasons on the FL as a lineman.No earpieces,no VAR,just common sense and we could always consult like me here at Anfield in '89.Liverpool claimed Arsenal's goal was indirect and had gone in directly without touching anyone else.Alan Smith in fact had glanced it in with his head but we didn't need VAR,Relays etc.The decision actually determined that Arsenal and not Liverpool won the title.Match played in late May due to the Hillsborough disaster. Blimey Staffs I thought it was a moment from Brokeback Mountain ...thank goodness you explained.
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Post by clockendgas on Feb 6, 2021 20:14:19 GMT
View AttachmentI did 12 seasons on the FL as a lineman.No earpieces,no VAR,just common sense and we could always consult like me here at Anfield in '89.Liverpool claimed Arsenal's goal was indirect and had gone in directly without touching anyone else.Alan Smith in fact had glanced it in with his head but we didn't need VAR,Relays etc.The decision actually determined that Arsenal and not Liverpool won the title.Match played in late May due to the Hillsborough disaster. A truly wonderful night,I think I owe you a beer one day,thanks for having the guts to not fold under the Anfield pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 20:17:11 GMT
Nothing wrong with VAR - at the highest level of sport you cannot have huge blunders as the costs are so huge. It works well in pretty much every sport but the trouble with football is not the system but the idiots using it and even more so the dickheads like David Elleray who interfere with ‘interpretations’ etc.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 6, 2021 21:09:08 GMT
Nothing wrong with VAR - at the highest level of sport you cannot have huge blunders as the costs are so huge. It works well in pretty much every sport but the trouble with football is not the system but the idiots using it and even more so the dickheads like David Elleray who interfere with ‘interpretations’ etc. Agreed 100%. Also the fact that the culture in football with diving/cheating is disgusting. I used to feel sympathy for referees until VAR came in, now they have no excuse. My biggest issue with VAR decisions is around the lack of yellow cards for a dive. How many times do they look at an incident, decide it's not a foul but the bloke screaming on the floor is never given a yellow for the dive? Until they curb diving and exaggerating, they'll never move past this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 22:53:01 GMT
Nothing wrong with VAR - at the highest level of sport you cannot have huge blunders as the costs are so huge. It works well in pretty much every sport but the trouble with football is not the system but the idiots using it and even more so the dickheads like David Elleray who interfere with ‘interpretations’ etc. The problem is, every other sport isn't football. The game stands apart in terms of flow and subjective application of the laws. VAR is dreadful, let's be honest. It's horrendous for supporters, no genuine football fan has ever looked me in the eye and told me it's improved the game and the experience of watching. You've nailed the force behind this, which is financial and not about improving the game. Today's decision epitomises what a shambles the system is. It must never be allowed at L1 level.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 7, 2021 8:17:46 GMT
VAR could be used like Tennis and Cricket where there are limited uses of VAR.
If they introduced it whereby only the manager or captain could call the use twice per half the game would flow better. They need to change the law on what’s off side to the whole of the man too, just like a goal needs to be whole of the ball crossing the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 8:29:53 GMT
VAR could be used like Tennis and Cricket where there are limited uses of VAR. If they introduced it whereby only the manager or captain could call the use twice per half the game would flow better. They need to change the law on what’s off side to the whole of the man too, just like a goal needs to be whole of the ball crossing the line. Issues with offside will always exist when you forensically probe it though, regardless of line used. Introducing limited captains calls would be farcical IMO - would interrupt the flow and be abused to waste time and break up momentum. Remember when technology and TV companies were guests at a football game rather than orchestrating it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 8:59:02 GMT
As far as I am concerned VAR has ruined the game. Referees are humans and like players make mistakes. It's true an occasional obvious one occurs but the majority are borderline decisions and when it comes to deciding if a hairy knee was 10mm offside the whole game becomes a farce. These things IMHO even themselves out over a season and are part and parcel of the game and should be left well alone. Goal line technology is a good thing and should be brought into the football league, however standing around for two or three minutes waiting for a referee sat in a room far removed from where the incident occurred to decide if the match referee has got it wrong is simply not right. Football has always been a contact sport and like a lot of things in society the do gooders appear to have gotten their way. It won't be long before some idiot will ban tackling from our great sport. To finish Staffs post summed things up nicely, remember the game and well done to him and the ref in the cauldron of Anfield that night.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 7, 2021 9:29:35 GMT
As far as I am concerned VAR has ruined the game. Referees are humans and like players make mistakes. It's true an occasional obvious one occurs but the majority are borderline decisions and when it comes to deciding if a hairy knee was 10mm offside the whole game becomes a farce. These things IMHO even themselves out over a season and are part and parcel of the game and should be left well alone. Goal line technology is a good thing and should be brought into the football league, however standing around for two or three minutes waiting for a referee sat in a room far removed from where the incident occurred to decide if the match referee has got it wrong is simply not right. Football has always been a contact sport and like a lot of things in society the do gooders appear to have gotten their way. It won't be long before some idiot will ban tackling from our great sport. To finish Staffs post summed things up nicely, remember the game and well done to him and the ref in the cauldron of Anfield that night. Its what I love about non-league.... The players may disagree with a refs decision, but they just get on with it knowing its part of the game, and there's certainly no rolling around.... It actually reminds me of the football I grew up watching....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 9:40:33 GMT
Nothing wrong with VAR - at the highest level of sport you cannot have huge blunders as the costs are so huge. It works well in pretty much every sport but the trouble with football is not the system but the idiots using it and even more so the dickheads like David Elleray who interfere with ‘interpretations’ etc. The problem is, every other sport isn't football. The game stands apart in terms of flow and subjective application of the laws. VAR is dreadful, let's be honest. It's horrendous for supporters, no genuine football fan has ever looked me in the eye and told me it's improved the game and the experience of watching. You've nailed the force behind this, which is financial and not about improving the game. Today's decision epitomises what a shambles the system is. It must never be allowed at L1 level. It hasn’t improved the match day experience at the moment because it’s being completely mismanaged. Whether we like it or not sport at the very highest level is big business and you can’t have situations where millions of tv viewers can see a foul has been committed or an offside missed that has directly influenced a wrong outcome but the officials cannot be given the opportunity of seeing the same footage. I don’t get this football snobbery that our sport should be seen as different to all others. Although VAR is unlikely to filter down to the lower levels of the game how would we have felt if Mansfield’s goal that sent us to the conference was handball or clearly offside and missed by officials? How would people feel if we lost to Germany to a last minute goal that was punched in by Thomas Muller? Quite rightly it’s here, it’s staying and hopefully the officials start getting their act together and make it work properly. Get back to what it was bought in for which was to overturn ‘clear and obvious errors’. Let the referee use their own judgement on whether a handball was deliberate and not based on some odd definition of what counts as an arm dependent on the length of your sleeve. Get back to offside being what it was created for, stopping goal hanging and stopping strikers gaining an unfair advantage - a start would be saying there must be daylight so you can’t be offside when you are facing the wrong direction but part of your foot may be 1mm beyond the last defender who might be out on the opposite touchline with no chance of influencing that passage of play anyway!
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Post by chilly1883 on Feb 7, 2021 10:28:57 GMT
That bloke is everything that’s wrong about football! He’s a Dam pleb, I bet he didn’t even get a pair of boots, until he hit his twenty’s!
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 7, 2021 10:51:11 GMT
It’s what I feared VAR would create. If there’s an accidental brush on your shoulder and you carry on playing then nothing happens. If you roll around holding your face and screaming, VAR will support you. It’s a license to cheat facilitated by refs who simply don’t understand the game It’s what FIFA want. They think, like most of Southern Europe and South America, that winning free kicks is part of the game, a skill in itself. What they don’t like, in any way, is physical contact where possible. They think it’s should be all about skill. Funnily enough this means their competitively smaller, quicker players win out in major competitions. I remember a few Spanish players and FIFA guys saying the English game takes its ideas from Rugby and it’s not the direction they want football to go in, The world viewing public tend to prefer our game. Half my family are from another continent and it’s almost exclusively premier league being watched there. Just to be clear, this isn’t Xenophobic, as you may have guessed I’m from a mixed race family, it’s just a fact - winning free kicks and pens is not traditionally seen as “good play” in England - it’s seen as cheating. This is very much not the case around the med and S America. You can’t blame them for getting together, now they wield the majority in FIFA, to keep changing the rules to suit them and not the Northern European teams. If world cups and Europe allowed even premier league level contact, let alone my preferred level of physicality - the prem as it was about 1995-2005, England and other norther European teams may have won a lot more, because even that mighty Spanish team with players like ineista would still struggle if they were allowed to be nudged and be pressured off the ball. As it stands, as soon as anyone large gets near them they fall over and get a kick. It would actually be nice to have another version of FIFA with prem style rules and hopefully less abjectly corrupt than FIFA
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2021 11:14:34 GMT
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